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Annora

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I have written on Lit with enjoyment. I have written stories in series Red Doors. I'm starting a new series and I am being absolutely chewed up and spit out.

You've been Angela'd [Newest series] I have had so much more
criticism on grammar on sentence lay outs. How I don't know what I am doing? I haven't had this problem with anything else I wrote.


I have made the God's that be angry and they are angry.


I am not asking, nor wanting to advertise that you might think I'm doing this for you to read. I write to enjoy this as a creative outlet.

Anonymous criticism really doesn't make sense to me. They are cowards hiding behind not being known. Come on out from behind your mom's apron strings. Stand tall tell what you want to say be proud of your opinion. It might not count, but try it sometime. Who knows?

I am a strong willed woman I don't want to win contests. Just be
more true and come out after me. Let me know who I have pissed off?

'You've just been Angela'd [3584] reads close to 2000 in the first
ten hours.

Anybody else understand this?
 
Come on you had problems?

Anon/Boston nothing more to say?


Wow/did you overly use your vocabulary?


Tongue lasher/Not written a thing?
 
I don't find you speechless

When you are insulting under the guise of helping us the writers.
When you find that in the open forum ripping somebody's work apart.

Criticism tempered with tender words shouldn't be so foreign.


Stop unleashing your verbal hardball, strike cut and retreat. How many writers stop creating because you are filled with venom?

Strike fairly if its your opinion don't be so underhanded about sharing yourself.
Let us respond or is that the important thing you want to avoid?

A level playing ground?
 
Annora said:
I have written on Lit with enjoyment. I have written stories in series Red Doors. I'm starting a new series and I am being absolutely chewed up and spit out.

You've been Angela'd [Newest series] I have had so much more
criticism on grammar on sentence lay outs. How I don't know what I am doing? I haven't had this problem with anything else I wrote.


I have made the God's that be angry and they are angry.


I am not asking, nor wanting to advertise that you might think I'm doing this for you to read. I write to enjoy this as a creative outlet.

Anonymous criticism really doesn't make sense to me. They are cowards hiding behind not being known. Come on out from behind your mom's apron strings. Stand tall tell what you want to say be proud of your opinion. It might not count, but try it sometime. Who knows?

I am a strong willed woman I don't want to win contests. Just be
more true and come out after me. Let me know who I have pissed off?

'You've just been Angela'd [3584] reads close to 2000 in the first
ten hours.

Anybody else understand this?



I think you may be a tad over sensitive. I just double checked the Public comments on your story....there are only 3 negative comments in 8 and one of those was NOT anonymous...it was mine!! I also mailed you....NOT anonymously
Perhaps you got other comments sent to you??
Anyway...look at your post here again.
"I have made the God's that be...."
That is another incorrect use of the apostrophe.
Even the title of your latest story is wrong. It should be "You've been..." and not "You been..."
I notice you have stated it correctly above.
Nobody has complained of anything more (at least publicly) than
your grammar and punctuation. Nobody slated your ability to tell a story.
As for number of views...that's no guide of anything other than the number of clicks on the title. It doesn't mean people read it, let alone liked it.
Of course you got "2000 in the first 10 hours." It's new...that's when people look.

There are volunteer editors who will make suggestions/corrections. If you used them, you wouldn't get people saying bad things about the technical side and you may get better responses. Don't you want that? It is still your work. Having it edited doesn't take that away from you.
 
I wrote in reply to your first post...I just saw your second and third. Did you think the world (well...Literotica) was hanging on your every word?
 
Nope!

I don't write for everybody I write for the elite of the readers.
 
All your back handed compliments are well taken I shall turn the other cheek. Look forward in seeing you in print someday other than being a critic.
 
Annora said:
All your back handed compliments are well taken I shall turn the other cheek. Look forward in seeing you in print someday other than being a critic.


Actually I do have over a dozen stories here....most 'viewed' by over 10000....one by 56000 and another 85000. They are not under 'Tongue Lasher' as I discovered very quickly that there are bitter people here who will zero bomb in retaliation to anything other than a "well done."
 
I have well over 60000 but I use my name Annora. Like you said though they might have clicked on them but not read them. My numbers are under my name because I am not running from Annora!
 
Y'all might tell me to fuck off, and if you do, no biggie, but there's something that many authors here fail to remember...

Yes, most of us write because we enjoy it, but if someone says they write purely for themselves, I'll call them a liar. If that was so, they wouldn't post their stories here at Lit - they'd hoard them close, and not subject themselves to the sometimes harsh criticism that comes with making your work public.

That said, I will never understand why someone who's interested in writing isn't also interested in improving their writing, and why authors get so wound up when someone offers constructive criticism. Saying that your grammar or your punctuation could be improved is hardly equal to the brilliant comment by Anon "you sick fuck."

One is constructive, the other is said solely to hurt.

If you can't take constructive criticism, then I suggest you don't try to shop any of your work around for publication - the comments you get when you do that are much more harsh than someone suggesting that your grammar and punctuation could be improved.

:rolleyes:
 
I want to tantalize the senses. Bring the senses to the point of no return. Intoxicating them. Bring their minds into a new realm feed their sexual desires. Cause them to recall their one moment they draw upon in needs of making it one more day.


No more, no less. Senses touched by sight sound and descriptive
wording.

Do I succeed? I sure hope so.


Annora:rose:
 
Annora said:
I have written on Lit with enjoyment. I have written stories in series Red Doors. I'm starting a new series and I am being absolutely chewed up and spit out.

You've been Angela'd [Newest series] I have had so much more
criticism on grammar on sentence lay outs. How I don't know what I am doing? I haven't had this problem with anything else I wrote.


I have made the God's that be angry and they are angry.


I am not asking, nor wanting to advertise that you might think I'm doing this for you to read. I write to enjoy this as a creative outlet.

Anonymous criticism really doesn't make sense to me. They are cowards hiding behind not being known. Come on out from behind your mom's apron strings. Stand tall tell what you want to say be proud of your opinion. It might not count, but try it sometime. Who knows?

I am a strong willed woman I don't want to win contests. Just be
more true and come out after me. Let me know who I have pissed off?

'You've just been Angela'd [3584] reads close to 2000 in the first
ten hours.

Anybody else understand this?


if you're writing as a creative outlet then it shouldn't bother you so much, granted anon feedbackers can be harsh and nonsensical in which case you ignore them and laugh it off, however if they are commenting on grammer and punctuation and such well then they are at least pointing out the areas that need improvement. By the by since the majority of us don't use our real names and such aren't we all hiding behind and therefore not being known?
 
I'm not using my real name Annora is my sole name on Lit. Good or bad. I am explaining I don't have a troll's name. A name I can side blind other's pretending the worlds in perfect order.

Perhaps you don't troll but I have been tracked like a dog...


Annora

:rose:


I find myself protective that's all.
 
No I don't troll and I don't know why anyone would the time it would take to do such things causes me to frown. I'm quite lazy you see.
 
Annora said:
I want to tantalize the senses. Bring the senses to the point of no return. Intoxicating them. Bring their minds into a new realm feed their sexual desires. Cause them to recall their one moment they draw upon in needs of making it one more day.


No more, no less. Senses touched by sight sound and descriptive
wording.

Do I succeed? I sure hope so.


Annora:rose:

I think we all write for that. However, it's not as effective as it could be if the reader is contantly being jarred back into realilty by errors, now is it?

I'm not above making mistakes myself, and typos constantly find their way into my work, but I'm also not above accepting some constructive criticism, either.

C'mon - I don't know anyone who calls themselves an author but doesn't want to improve. If you need help with certain areas, get it.....not everyone is good at everything. And, folks, stop being so damned sensitive that offense and harm is seen everywhere. Sheesh.
 
I write like I do it's myself. Stop cramming down the right and wrong ways towards people. We aren't being overly sensitive, I'm being resentful.

Taking a sentence that doesn't make you feel comfy shouldn't be pounced upon for the betterment of all mankind.

We are excercising our rights of free speech along with free grammar.

Just be kind along the way...
 
Annora said:
I write like I do it's myself. Stop cramming down the right and wrong ways towards people. We aren't being overly sensitive, I'm being resentful.

Taking a sentence that doesn't make you feel comfy shouldn't be pounced upon for the betterment of all mankind.

We are excercising our rights of free speech along with free grammar.

Just be kind along the way...

I wasn't aware that I was "cramming" anything. :rolleyes:

I do think, however, that criticism should be handled sensitively, and not put forward in a public comment....that's why you can email feedback as well. I wouldn't ever purposely hurt someone that way.

All I'm saying is that if you put your work out there for public consumption, then you have to be prepared to accept the bad feedback along with the good, that's all, and develop a thick enough skin to be able to tell constructive criticism from that that is merely hurtful.

Ditto with what you post on a public message board.
 
Annora said:
I write like I do it's myself. Stop cramming down the right and wrong ways towards people. We aren't being overly sensitive, I'm being resentful.

Taking a sentence that doesn't make you feel comfy shouldn't be pounced upon for the betterment of all mankind.

We are excercising our rights of free speech along with free grammar.



So...if you think language needn't be used the 'right' way...it seems strange you should offer a 'grammar lesson' (as YOU put it) in the Public comments to the person who said "Terribly written. Void of punctuation and proper grammar." You further stated that their "criticism didn't include any actual sentences."
How come it's okay for you to disregard these rules but then use the rules against someone who comments on your disregard of them?

You were correct in stating their comment didn't include any actual sentences.
The difference was that their comment (necessarily brief and 'to the point'...unlike a story) was not open to interpretation. Your lack of punctuation (as opposed to artistic 'freestyle') means you are not understood in the way you may like.
 
Tongue Lasher is obviously intelligent and has good points to make. Her comments on grammar have significant legitimacy and are worth Annora thinking about . However, the "Angela'd" story for example also had a lot of very good features which were equally worth noting and thinking about. I think Annora would have a stronger argument if she accepted at least in some degree, the criticism, whilst remembering that firstly , she doesn't have to accept, agree or respond to it and secondly, other critics like TL might consider that their comments would receive much more attention and respect if they were balanced in noting both good as well as not so good writing.
 
I understand you frustration

I am willing to work with you. I will read your story and recommend changes. I will not "perfect" it for Lit so you can have a submission. Then it would be my submission. I want you to take pride in your efforts and help you in establishing yourself.
 
Annora said:
I have written on Lit with enjoyment. I have written stories in series Red Doors. I'm starting a new series and I am being absolutely chewed up and spit out.

You've been Angela'd [Newest series] I have had so much more
criticism on grammar on sentence lay outs. How I don't know what I am doing? I haven't had this problem with anything else I wrote.

You often have a hard time constructing a simple sentence. It is not personal, your well-documented grammatical errors are a statement of fact. Grammar is not a subjective choice on the part of the writer.

If you wish to improve your writing, you might consider reading Strunk's Elements of Style. Most writers have a copy of this or The Chicago Manual of Style handy when they write.

You might also consider the on-line resource Dictionary.com when writing.

Many people at lit have been attempting to help you by providing constructive criticism. For some reason, even though you are in the authors area of lit, you do not see that.

You need to decide on your priorities. Do you want to improve your grammar and make your stories more accessible to your readers, or do you prefer to continue being defensive and have your stories passed over by those who are unwilling or unable to deal with your poor grammar?
 
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