Cleanliness is Next to Domliness?

[sincerely_helene]

I was just perusing a poster's comment with regards to how a dominant is consistant in keeping his/her home well organized and maintained. It got me to thinking about another chap I know here in realtime of a similar persona, with much the same compulsive behavior.

Is there any connection, or is it merely coincedence?

Does this mean it is typical for the submissive to keep untidy, disorganized surroundings?

Have you ever encountered the reverse?

 

[RJMasters]

I was just perusing a poster's comment with regards to how a dominant is consistant in keeping his/her home well organized and maintained. It got me to thinking about another chap I know here in realtime of a similar persona, with much the same compulsive behavior.

Is there any connection, or is it merely coincedence?

Does this mean it is typical for the submissive to keep untidy, disorganized surroundings?

Have you ever encountered the reverse?

I watched the "Odd Couple" on tv when I was younger does that count?(as a reversal I mean)

For me, things get cleaned when I want them that way. I am not compulsive about it. My dad use to say, a home is meant for humans to live in not for fucking barnyard animals, so clean up your room and pick-up after yourself when you grace us with your presence else where in the house.

That just sorta stuck, and seemed like a good rule of thumb I have always tried to follow.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... the same compulsive behavior.

Is there any connection, or is it merely coincedence?

i could answer this one of two ways. i'll try polite. Think control.

Most dominants look for some type of control. A dominant that demands a clean household simply wants control of his/her immediate environment. Then again, if the dominant has a slovenly nature, and has a pyl, both the dominant and the dominant's pyl get the bennies of a needed service delivered.

 

[sincerely_helene]

Re: Re: Cleanliness is Next to Domliness?

I watched the "Odd Couple" on tv when I was younger does that count?(as a reversal I mean)

For me, things get cleaned when I want them that way. I am not compulsive about it. My dad use to say, a home is meant for humans to live in not for fucking barnyard animals, so clean up your room and pick-up after yourself when you grace us with your presence else where in the house.

That just sorta stuck, and seemed like a good rule of thumb I have always tried to follow.

I was brought up in much the same way. For some reason, though, it just never seemed to stick. I am quite the opposite from the rest of my family.

Thanks for the response!

 

[sincerely_helene]

Re: Re: Cleanliness is Next to Domliness?

i could answer this one of two ways. i'll try polite. Think control.

Most dominants look for some type of control. A dominant that demands a clean household simply wants control of his/her immediate environment. Then again, if the dominant has a slovenly nature, and has a pyl, both the dominant and the dominant's pyl get the bennies of a needed service delivered.

Thanks for choosing polite.

The reason it is intrigues me is because quite a few submissives are known for their desire to please and be found pleasing. It would stand to reason for me, that one would feel unfullfilled to keep a place that would be considered a pigsty by the standards of others.

 

[Netzach]

I'm creative. Read: slob. Think: art mess.

I've always been this way, I've never not been this way, and I doubt I will change. I enjoy scrubbing for sanitation, you're more apt to find me cleaning the toilet and M organizing the shelves. Mess is just me, dirt is just gross.

Does this mean I'm unfit to lead or control? I guess if organization is something you really obsess over, maybe. My bottoms prefer me for my visionary and creative nature more than my ability to regiment. Organized shelves is why I have bottoms.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

I'm creative ... My bottoms prefer me for my visionary and creative nature more than my ability to regiment. Organized shelves is why I have bottoms.

i read "i'm the captain of the ship. i say where the ship goes. The sailors get the damn ship there."

Yes, or no?

And Helene, there's a huge difference between a cluttered mess and a pigsty.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I just swabbed the deck in here. It's looking pretty ready for inspection.

I am a slob but I hate messy surroundings. I like to stay clean in body, mind and speech.

Consequently I hate chores day but must endure it.

The ideal situation would be a live in slave of course.

That has its own problems however.

 

[graceanne]

Well, K's clean, but not neat. When I'm healthy I'm pretty ar/ocd. When I'm not I spend all my time online because the mess drives me crazy, and I don't have the energy to do anything about it. (For instance I desperately need to do dishes.) At least that way I don't have to see the pigsty that is my house.

 

[blue kat]

I'm a neat freak. It's control. Chaos makes me cranky. That being said, I don't ask anything of my pyl that I can't or won't do myself. However, she's service oriented, so it's easy for her. I take advantage of it shamelessly. But it goes two ways. A non cranky Kait means more beatings, more lust, more bondage, more orgasms for all. It's better all around this way.

 

[Betticus]

Well, I do have cluttered bits of chaos and I can't say that I like it too much.

When I moved I got rid of a whole lot of stuff I don't use, mostly leftovers from being married so someone that can't part with things. I don't mind a bit of a minimalist approach to life. I don't need too many furnishings or trinkets or things. The general filth though, it does get cleaned up but on my own schedule. I won't let dishes sit for long and I have the whole range of cleaning supplies stocked up. I'm on the orange oil based cleaners right now. They smell nice.

 

[Caitlynne]

Interesting thread! I'm neat but not compulsive.

When I was a child I was responsible for the house cleaning as my mother worked and I was the oldest. She was strict, and demanded a certain level of cleanliness. It did drive me crazy as a child and I rebelled on more than one occasion. There were times you could find me re-cleaning at 2am because of it. I still rebelled, it was my nature then (and even now I suppose).

When I first left home I rebelled completely and I lived in what has been described here as cluttered mess. I still couldn't enter the kitchen to cook if there were dirty dishes sitting about, but I could live with not putting the clean dishes up in the cabinets. I could let the laundry go if it were out of my sight, but it always made for a long day at the Laundromat once I did do it.

But, as I grew up, and stopped rebelling in that particular area of my life, I just became neat pretty much all of the time. I just hate spending a whole day cleaning, so I clean as I go. If I cook, I soak the pots and pans as soon as I am done with them. It's just easier to clean them if I do. I throw a load of laundry in when I have a full load, it's just easier. I put the dishes away because it is just easier. If I stoop to pick something up off the floor, it is time to sweep, or vacuum.

I don't make a big production out of any of it except in Summer & Winter when I do a thorough cleaning. I have just learned to compromise with my early training as a child and my own somewhat rebellious nature. I hate to clean, so I just pick up things as I go, put them away, clean off the sink, etc..

I've never considered myself compulsive about it, but I do know I will begin to feel uneasy if dishes remain in the sink too long. But that is more about how much harder it will be to do them if they sit for too long, rather than the dirt or mess. The mess is OK, it is the level of difficulty at cleaning it up that gets to me. Since it is always 'me' who has to do it later anyway, I'd just prefer to do it when it is easier.

If ordered to let them sit, I can do it without my attention being drawn to them, but I secretly curse a bit under my breath when I'm doing them in the morning.

~ Cait

 

[Etoile]

Oh man, my Daddy's apartment is a mess!

 

[blue kat]

Maybe I should lend him my pyl. Just for cleaning duties, of course.

 

[FungiUg]

I'm kind of middle ground. Not a slob, but not a neat freak. Basically I like my environment to be comfortable and lived in, but workable. I don't like living in a museum, nor do I like living in a tip.

Yes, if I had a live in maid, I would assign her cleaning duties of some variety. But that's more about control -- I prefer cleaning up after myself.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

I have to admit I'm not entirely consistent. The desk at which I spend 10-12 hours a day (I work at home, so my workplace and play place are the same), and often more, is frequently cluttered with papers, legal pads, orders from attorneys, orders from judges, appeals designations, my ashtray, my soft drink, a pack or two of cigarettes, a candy bar or two, and quite possibly the last couple of days' mail (I hate opening mail - too often, it's a bill).

I do, however, wash dishes at least once a day, and frequently twice a day - by hand. Dishwashers can't get dishes as clean as I can. Pots and pans go to soak immediately after they're used, if they're not washed immediately afterward. My pantry is organized so that all the canned veggies are together, and each type of veggie is together. Pasta-type stuff is together. Cereals are together. It's organized. I can find things. That's my main criterion: I want to find what I want now. I don't want to have to hunt for it, or sort through 23 other things before I find it.

I think that's the main thing for me, besides the fact that I like things clean. I want to be able to go directly to where what I want should be, and find it there. Even at my desk, if you ask me where a specific thing is that I know is there, I can reach for it and find it, no matter how cluttered it has gotten. That's what counts.

 

[snowy ciara]

I'm fairly well organised. My house is a little cluttererd, but mostly okay. My laundry usually ends up neatly folded and stacked on the kitchen table, and the dishes get done on a regular basis. I can always find the way to the bed, and there's no icky things growing in the corners of my tub.

The only really scary thing is my desk. It's sort of cluttered, with all sorts of stuff stacked up everywhere. The NaNo thread has a great "inventory your desk" thread and I've discovered mine isn't so bad! Some of the things I saw! But, even though I have towers of books and cds and all that, I can still find anything I need!

 

[Miss Diva]

My new (and first) DOM had me organize his "play" chest of drawers for him. He wanted to see if I was organzied and how my thinking was in terms of organization. But he does not know that I LOVE to organize and see things in order.

YES PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, I AM ORGANIZATIONAL FREAK . (sorry about the caps; got carried away there)

So as I was doing my task and I was smiling inside and enjoying it immensely. And after I was done he was pleased but I did not get a reward because I had been naughty earlier on in the evening.

But my DOM is a neat freak also. So ...

 

[Desdemona]

I like things neat and clean but I don't obsess about it. Additionally, sub or not, I pay for a cleaning service. I prefer to find other ways to spend my time away from work. My pantry and cabinets are organized so that I can find things. I put things back where they belong when I finish using them. I guess I'm middle of the road.

 

[Etoile]

Maybe I should lend him my pyl. Just for cleaning duties, of course.

Oh wow, that would be so much better than me having to do it! Eir papers are all over the place, eir bathroom is just icky (well, it doesn't help that the ceiling fell in once...damn upstairs neighbors!).

 

[Sir_Winston54]

<snip>eir bathroom is just icky (well, it doesn't help that the ceiling fell in once...damn upstairs neighbors!).

What the hell were the upstairs neighbors doing to cause eir bathroom ceiling to fall in?

(Curious minds want to know.)

 

[Etoile]

What the hell were the upstairs neighbors doing to cause eir bathroom ceiling to fall in?

(Curious minds want to know.)

Haha! Actually, I'm pretty sure the apartments are all laid out alike. So this would have been the bathroom above, too...I think their bathtub overflowed one too many times. (I did that once too...Daddy told me to draw em a bath, and we got a little distracted and I forgot about it! )

From what I've heard, Daddy's apartment is the noisiest there is...at least when I'm around!

 

[sincerely_helene]

i read "i'm the captain of the ship. i say where the ship goes. The sailors get the damn ship there."

Yes, or no?

And Helene, there's a huge difference between a cluttered mess and a pigsty.

Yeah, this is very true also.

I confess that while I am a messy person, I have this obsessive thing with balance. My bedroom and kitchen can be a complete disaster, but the cluttered piles have to be equally portained so that one side of the room doesn't outweigh the other visually. I have also picked up this trick on how to stack the dishes so that it doesn't look like there are as many as there really is.

I suppose the amount of time I spend shifting things around, trying to fool my eyes into believing the place is tidy would be better spent actually cleaning it.

 

[sunfox]

I am definitely the neat one out of the two of us.. so in our case, cleanliness is next to subbiness.

He grew up on a farm with lots of animals in and out, and his family is not huge on the cleaning thing.

I grew up in a pastor's household, and my mother does a very good impression of a Stepford Wife.

I have a very picky personality, and I like things exactly just so, so that, as others have said, -I- at least know where everything is. Food is arranged by categories in the kitchen, spices are all turned label out. Laundry folded, dishes in the dishwasher, pans soaking. I even brush my personal horse every single day (and sometimes any of the others that are in the barn/arena) because I can't stand seeing any mud on her, which in the spring is a several times a day job for me.

I don't mind my daughter making a mess, but every day, I pick up everything, so that in the morning, she can spread it all over the house again.

So I guess I'm on that line between neat freak, and just organized. My PYL is perfectly content to let me trail behind him picking up, and I like it that way as well.