Chyoo 3???

[alteredego524]

Look what I found while digging around in Chyoo information...

http://www.chyoo.net/

It says "Chyoo 3 beta"

I've emailed the webmaster... And it was bounced back as an unknown address...

SO I emailed the domain registrant...

Anyone else have any info on this?

 

[jakelyon]

No idea

I have no idea what this site might be. We have not heard word one about a new iteration of Chyoo. It looks like someone is designing a replacement, but it is hard to tell if it is the current people running the site, or if it is someone trying to create an alternative.

If only we had a little communication around here it would help.

 

[JBmanly50]

bye

 

[ofhabit2]

(sheepishly raises hand)

I haven't said anything about it because it's not ready for general usage quite yet. I guess I need to set up the email properly. Obviously, it is still very much in beta, but, yes, this is intended to be a site for the community to move forward to. (I know that sounds like a politician talking ... I'm watching election coverage .) I am coding it up myself, and have a few questions to ask y'all, since I want it to be something that you all want to use. I love chyoo2, I've been a reader for a couple of years now, on and off, and started contributing this past year, but it frustrates me that it is stagnating because it's not being kept up the way I feel it deserves. Since I know a thing or two about writing websites, I figure I can be a little bit of a guardian angel. You can feel free to poke around, since the cat's out of the bag, and I'll try and set up the email so you can send me suggestions ... until that works, talk to me here. Beware that it's a beta ... a lot of stuff hasn't been coded in, yet, and I wouldn't add too many threads, since I'm likely to delete and recreate the stories over there at will. For now, keep working over at chyoo2, and use chyoo3 as a playground for temporary work only.

Thus, on to my questions.

Story copy:
It seems to me that the "new" chyoo site (which I will from now on refer to as chyoo3) should copy over at least some of the stories from the "old" chyoo site (chyoo2). The question is, how many/how much of the stories? The options, as I see them, are:
- Copy over all the stories : this might not be great, because there is a lot of deadwood mixed in with the good stuff.
- Copy over none of the stories : I don't like this, because I think there's a lot of good stuff mixed in there, and I would rather not let it fade away.
- Copy over all of your stories: when you log in, the system could either automatically copy over all your stories, or could allow you to choose to do so at some time. In this case, there is also the question of which stories to copy over: only the stories you created or all the stories you have contributed to. I know that I, personally, have written many threads in stories I have not created, that I would not like to see left behind.

Moderation:
I think we need a good set of moderators. If we want to continue to make stories go through an approval process, we need moderators. (The alternative, which I'm not opposed to, is to let anyone post anything, and have people report stories and pages that are questionable ... though this would require moderators as well.) The other thing that moderators could do is clean up old, broken and/or anemic stories. Regardless, my question to you all: who are two or three or more chyoo users that you think would do well as moderators? Let the nominations begin, and then the nominated users can decide if they want to step up to the task .

Reclaiming stagnant stories:
I hate it when I run across a story that is pretty decent, but has all sorts of locked pages out on the edge. I think there should be some sort of method for "freeing" stagnant stories from their delinquent owners, perhaps if the owner doesn't log in or pay attention to the story somehow for 3 months. I'm not sure what the best way to deal with this is, but I think it's worth thinking of something.

The rating system:
As much as I like getting my threads rated highly, I'm not thrilled about the current rating system.

There can be more new ideas, of course ... brainstorm, and I'll try and see if they're doable .

 

[daciasdesire]

Well I for one love the very thought of the new site!!! I think it would be better for the original owners to tranfer across thier stories. I know I sure will be. As for moderators I would nominate such people as:

AaronWebster
gystex
jakelyon
kendahl6969
niceguy2002tim
Zingiber

There are other very worthy people who I'm sure Ive missed and as others who are currently MIA. Anyone care to nominate me? I'm gladly accept in any capacity that I could.

A question I had is what is the cost to run the site? Bandwith isnt cheap as far as I've heard and Chyoo2 is a pretty big site. Could be expensive to run.

Just my thought. I'm sure more will come to me and I know the others are going to have a lot to say about this.

As that Kevin Costner film said......

"Build it and they shall come."

Dacia

 

[daciasdesire]

Oh another thing, if there is an aproval process, how about it is done via panel. Say five people are assigned to aprove new stories. The story becomes avaible after three of the moderators approve the submission. That way the entre process isnt held up by one person being absent and it provides a mojority rules ethos.

Also what would be taboo? I take it underage stories of all kinds. Anything else anyone can think of?

Dacia

 

[Sim8425]

Wow, great stuff. It's great to see someone step forward and do something. And there's actually a link to the forums! Just wondering if there will be any issues in using the name chyoo for the site?

As for the ratings system, I personally liked how the old chyoo site had a top ten list for views, ratings, and of all time on the front page.

I agree with Dacia on the original owners transferring their stories, just in case other editors do not want their work anywhere else but chyoo 2 for some reason.

I think the approving process just needs a few people approving, but I don't think a panel is needed. I think one moderator should be capable enough to approve a whole story themself. It might be a good idea to pick moderators with different schedules or timezones so they'll be around at different times. Great job, it's really a blessing to this community.

Sim8425

 

[TwiztedClown]

I'd like to throw my name into the list of nominatees too but another way would be have a link to stories waiting to be approved and have any member vote for it to be approved or not.

 

[alteredego524]

Just a few thoughts....

I remember reading somewhere on the Chyoo 2 that you could ask a moderator to be made the editor of a story, incase teh oricinal editor failed to keep up on a story. This is a good idea, and should be maintained.

As far a bandwith, as long as you keep bandwith in mind as you design the site, it shouldn't be a problem. if you look at one of my other favorite sites, www.asstr.org (Alt Sex Stories Text Repository) They do an intresting thing. They throtle all image transfers. So when a page loads, the text and links come up first. This takes only a few kb of data. The images (a few hundred kb) come up a few seconds after the page. This way, if you follow a link before the page finishes, they never need to transfer the images, and they save all that bandwith.

As far as moderation, I would of course like to volunteer. (do I get any bonus points for finding the site? I would also recomend someone write some clear cut rules for approving stores.

Lastly, How many times have we seen some jackhole start a story like:

"There were these 2 chicks.. and they started making out. "

AND THAT"S IT!!! Man I HATE that. If you want that story, write it! Don't start some story and hope more talented writers put in what you want! What I would suggest is that before being able to start a story, that a writer put in some time on other people's stories. 10-20 threads seems reasonable. It would also cut down on people who sign up, start 1 story, and never come back.

I will personally transfer my my stories, but I don't think that transfers are that important. We saw how fast Chyoo2 filled. :-D

And lastly... How is this site being set up? Perl scripts? NT server, Linux box? (just curious)

 

[TwiztedClown]

Lol yeah i know alter...or they have the continuing question as the couple of words for the first sentence in the next thread...also a good idea is have the date of when each thread was put in so you know wat the newest ones r.

 

[Imhotep]

I am all in favor of "3" as the moderators seem to have given up on "2". Just make sure that there will be a relativly long transition time, so those who do not frequent the site often have time to get used to/ make preperations for the exodus.

 

[jakelyon]

Awesome start. I have no idea how to do any of the technical part of the site so hats off to you for tackling the task. I really think we can get a much better site if it is designed and maintained by someone who actually uses it.

Do you actually have access to the code of the current site? How is it possible for the stories to transfer over when I would log in to 3? Overall I think stories should be manually transfered somehow by the editors to make sure that any stores that come over are live and well tended.

Moderation is an absolute must both to make sure new stories are approved promptly and to make sure that crap stories are fixed before the stories are posted. I would be happy to serve as a moderator as I check the site daily and have the time to put into it.

Stale stories: I agree fully with 90 days and the editing should be turned over to the moderators pending reassignment of the story. Stale stories have destroyed the site as at least 75% of the stories, some very good ones, are abandoned.

Ratings: I like the current ratings system, but you should have to post a comment for all ratings given. I would also focus on a top 25 stories, not only the first five.

I am happy to help with anything. Just contact me for anything you might need.

Thanks.

 

[ofhabit2]

Question and answer time!

Do you actually have access to the code of the current site?

Sadly, I do not have access to the chyoo2 data directly, or to any of the code on the site. All the code is written by hand, and any data I obtain from chyoo2 has to be obtained using scripts to access the pages just like anyone else does with a web browser. It's doable, but it means I'm spending equal time writing code to make the site work and writing code to get data from the old site.

How is this site being set up? Perl scripts? NT server, Linux box?

This site is being hosted on Dreamhost, who seem to have a sufficiently lax policy about "adult" content. The development platform is LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP. I'm using a little Perl as well to scrape data off of chyoo2.

What I would suggest is that before being able to start a story, that a writer put in some time on other people's stories. 10-20 threads seems reasonable.

I kind of like this idea. On the one hand, I'm guessing it will discourage some new users, which is never a good idea, but hopefully anyone who is really interested in the site will be willing to contribute a few threads, first. I agree that it would cut out a lot of the crap stories ... we just have to be careful not to cut off any burgeoning authors.

Ratings: I like the current ratings system, but you should have to post a comment for all ratings given.

I like this idea, as well. Also, transferring the current ratings and view totals would be a big pain in the butt. It's doable, but it would be cleaner to just start with a new system. If you all really really want them, we can probably keep them, though.

As far a bandwith...

I'm not too worried about bandwidth, at least not yet . Since this is all text, to my knowledge, I don't think bandwidth will be a problem. I'm also not too worried about financially supporting the hosting costs, again, at least for now.

owners transferring their stories

Right now I've got it so that users can log in (using chyoo2 login), and import all of the stories they have created on chyoo2. I don't think that's great, though, since authors might want to bring in some of their stories, but not others. I'm going to look into setting it up so that authors have to choose each individual story they want to import. For now, you can't import stories unless you created them.

moderators

Chyoo2 operates on a "wait to be approved" principle ... new stories have to be approved, new threads have to be approved. I don't think that's too bad a system, though I would like to build in a trust system so that well rated and highly prolific authors wouldn't have to wait to get stories approved, and story creators could choose to let such "trusted" authors post to their story right off the bat, without having to run through the approve-3-threads-first game. There seems to be a variety of opinions about good ways to run this; we can wing it, for a while, till something feels right.

Also what would be taboo? I take it underage stories of all kinds. Anything else anyone can think of?

This is a sticky subject; I believe the only rule the hosting company places on the site is that there is no child pornography, and no copyrighted material. I think there should probably be community standards as well, but the above two items are default no-nos.


Whew ... that's all for now, I'm going to bed . I'll keep working on the site, and keep y'all informed as it progresses.

 

[gizmoo69]

For the CHYOO acceptibility rules, I was always under the impression that anything was OK except underaged sex, bestiality and that which is non-consensual and can cause harm (rape, for instance). I would say that these rules should be carried over to CHYOO3.

One thing i did wonder though is what qualifies as underaged sex. On CHYOO2, underaged is anything below 18, but the legal age for sex in the UK (where I live), is 16. I reckon CHYOO age limits should reflect this (i don't for instance, see any problem with having sex with a 17 year old), but then if some of you CHYOOers live in places where the legal (or even moral) age is 18, then this should be reflected

 

[fanficnut]

how do you sign up

my password not working on chyoo 3

 

[fanficnut]

how long till a my chyoo section..where you can check out your threads..I know you in the baby stage of the site

just asking seem I'm having a bit trouble naviagating

 

[JBmanly50]

bye

 

[Sim8425]

I tried out the import feature and it did a fine job importing one of my stories. I have a question. Once the whole site is done, will you be able to edit threads of other authors for your stories?

Sim8425

 

[switch76]

Good job so far!

Will you be including the story map and immersive text? Could you increase the options for the immersive text to more variables e.g. First/Last Name of a second character, or even more?

Do you have a timescale for when the site will be ready? If you let us know your plans, I'm sure everyone will be more patient.

 

[daciasdesire]

Ooh further options for imursive stories sounds like a very cool idea!!! People could have a lot of fun with that.

Dacia

 

[JBmanly50]

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[fanficnut]

how are you guys tranfering these stories

dont know how to do it or add to thing

 

[JBmanly50]

-

 

[fanficnut]

cant even log on

when I try I keep getting taking to the blank log in screen

 

[alteredego524]

Yeah... I'm getting the same thing.

Too bad... I was in a saucy writing mood too!!!

I gotta start learing PHP and Perl.... Maybe then I could help, instead of sitting here with my thump up my.. ANYWAY....;-)