chudwah

Richard49

The Gentleman Dom
Joined
Feb 27, 2002
Posts
14,176
I know we have several thread about online stuff
Most of you know I have a LOW opinion of online relationships
anyway .. . this screamed posting so..........


http://www.rks-society.com/Horseman/chudwa.htm

It was April of 1994. There was no World Wide Web as we knew it. There was Usenet, however. There was alt.sex.bondage. (I won't include a hyperlink because it's all spam nowadays.) In those days, a.s.b was a virtual BDSM university--and for a young man who'd known about his interests but never had the opportunity to put them into words, it was great. And somewhere deep within the depths of a small college computer lab, a young man was angry. Angry at the clueless hordes who barraged his submissive (then his girlfriend, now his wife, always his brat.) With the anger of 21-year-old ardor, he wrote a post.

'To All Wannabe Het Male Doms' (the original, official title) was intended as nothing more than an angry flame. I wrote it originally for a gay/lesbian BBS that I had an account on. It's since gone the way of the dodo-bird--RIP, Multicom-4. I rewrote it for the Internet and posted it to alt.sex.bondage under an anon.penet.fi account. (Which has also gone the way of the dodo. Thanks for all the people you helped, Julf.)

At the time, there was a constant group on the net, who was mostly tolerant of gays, as well as the requisite homophobic posters who would pop in from time to time. You know, the 'all fagets must die' sort of thing. I noted that most of the chuds seemed to be heterosexual. Thus, the term. There are also gay chuds, as I have discovered after a short stint on AOL. (Hint to gay online bottoms everywhere: learn to spell 'dominate' and it'll be more likely to happen to you.)

The term itself derived from CHDW, and developed into chudwah. Sounds kind of scummy, reptilian, subhuman, which is the way a lot of those people actually make themselves look. That's why I think people like it. Also it became a net.thing. (On AOL, the term 'snert' has come into play now, which means the same thing.) Sir Stephen and the Story of O, I felt (and still feel) gave way too many people way the wrong idea about how most people practice BDSM. Of course, the porno magazines (HOM being mentioned because early on I had perused some of their stuff) feed a fantasy market that is completely unrelated to how people--at least those I know--practice BDSM. (Plus--please, guys--GET A SPELL CHECKER!)

The post struck a nerve in many female submissives and male doms. It received accolades. I began receiving emails from people asking if they could copy it. (To which I've always agreed--I put the damn thing on the net so people could read it.) BDSM groups. BDSM chatboards. The post has probably been read by gazillions more people than I ever imagined. Somehow or another, it's been archived, debated, and become a part of the a.s.b./s.s.b. canon of literature. I even discovered, a few months back, a debate on whether or not I would have included female chuds had there been more around at the time. Rather odd, really. (Incidentally, yeah, there ARE female chuds, there just weren't any on a.s.b at the time I wrote the post. I have Spoken. Nyah, nyah.)

So. Here's the post itself, unadulterated, unedited. Well, the paragraphs didn't carry over but that's Dreamweaver's fault. The careful reader may be able to discern a goof or two where I rewrote the post for the Internet instead of Multicom-4. It's the same post that hit alt.sex.bondage in April of 1994. Enjoy it, dear reader. I wrote it for you. And all the other real BDSM'ers--male, female, Top, bottom, switch, whatever--who've ever had to deal with some jerk cluttering up your email box (or ICQ, or Instant Messenger) with his/her/its unrequested masturbatory fantasies.

The_Horseman (in those days, an7053@anon.penet.fi: these days, horseman@rochester.rr.com)







(In my best old, dry, Professor's voice.)

The subspecies Homo sapiens chudwahensis has been known since the dawn of BDSM as we know it. It was named by yours truly in early 1994. Chudwah is the pronounced version of CHDW, an acronym for Clueless Het Dom Wannabe. Any resemblance to a particularly bad movie called C.H.U.D. (Cannabalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers) is completely unintentional. You can even ask the video rental clerks who rented me the movie several times when I was fourteen.



It seems that quite a few of the straights out there are wannabe doms. Quite a few of you contact any submissive female you find madly, and don't get anywhere. Well, I'm going to explain why this behavior doesn't get anywhere. Get mad if you will--but does the pestering technique work? No.

To begin with, Sir Stephen doesn't live here anymore. So you read the Story of O, and longed to be Sir Stephen. So you found the grotty magazines from HOM and enjoyed them a lot. Guess what? Forget everything those magazines and that book ever taught you about the dynamics of an S/M relationship. If you don't, you can forget about ever bringing any of your fantasies to reality.

You see, O is not your typical submissive. Nor is Sir Stephen your typical Master. Some submissives submit to *one* person, not to any clod who calls himself a dominant. Some submit to more than one, but I can assure you that a Master *must*prove himself to a submissive before she will become his slave. Yes, it's awfully fun to fantasize a world in which a Master will lend out his slave to you, but it ain't gonna happen. Masters spend quite a bit of time developing trust in their slaves; they most assuredly will not lend them out and abuse that trust to the first person who asks. If you worked for years to buy a Ferrari, or a large house, would you lend the car or the house out to someone you didn't know, simply because they asked? Yet someone asked my slave if I would give him permission to use my slave. Guess what the answer was? Too many wannabe doms seem to think that merely because they call themselves 'doms', they are entitled to some sort of respect from a female submissive. This doesn't happen to be the case. You see,submissives are *people*, first and foremost. Someone else told my slave she was snotty because she did not want to view a .gif of him. Never did he consider that maybe she didn't have time, maybe she had other things she wanted to do--no, he was a Dom, by God, and she was a submissive, and she didn't show him respect, so she was a snot, by gum. Do you know what slaves and their Masters think of people like this? They*laugh* at them. "Clueless", "dweeb", and "asshole" are the words which spring to mind when these people's names are mentioned. And ya see, you just can't use a slave for your own pleasure. Not without their consent, anyway--it doesn't work that way. If you want to be a dom, fine. Just look in your mirror, stare at your own face, and say, "What is it about me that someone should let me own them, beat them, and place their very *LIFE* in my hands?" If a person is so immature that they are going to childishly insult someone else for not being 'respectful' enough to them, why in hell any sane Master would have anything to do with them, or why any sane slave would consent to let that person do anything to them, is beyond me. Following in this thread, if you pull up someone's bio and see that they are female, submissive, and attached, respect that. Again, if you can't respect a person's choice of monogamy, why should they even consider you? Being a Master is most certainly not about having all our own selfish pleasures met and giving nothing in return. If that's what you're after, you're going to be sticking to the Story of O, HOM magazines, movies, and a jar of hand cream and your hand for your fantasies. BDSM relationships take work too--if you think a BDSM relationship is the easy way out, you're wrong. Dead wrong.

Now, you see, there are loads and loads and loads of wannabe het male Doms out there. Even if you happen to find an unattached female submissive over the computer, be assured you are going to be one of hundreds of applicants. She's going to be getting unrequested contact all the time. So you've got to *prove* yourself first to get her to want to talk to you. Asking if she enjoys being a slave, or whatever, is likely to get your name shoved real quickly in the 'clueless' file. Asking her to describe what she likes being done to her is an even quicker route., If it's jerk-off material you want, go buy a magazine. Or look in alt.sex.stories. It's extremely insulting to a person to be asked to do this by a total stranger. And if you think that gambit isn't going to be noticed, you're wrong. Submissives ain't stupid. In fact, most are going to be able to see what you want real quick. And horrors, she may not want totalk to you. If you don't get a response, don't continue madly until you get one--you may have gotten a response, but I guarantee that you'll have added the tag 'clueless geek' to your name in her mind. And that'sreally hard to remove. If you're asked to stop, stop. You see, there *is* such a thing as harassment. It's as easy for her to write your sysadmin as it is for you to write her. Claiming that 'it was all ficticious and she made it all up' probably won't work, since people don't randomly complain about other random people. If copies of your masterly demands are attached, you're sunk. Depending on the sysadmin, you might lose net access. Or email access. Or something you probably won't like. Nor will the 'She was rude to me, and I'm a Dom, I deserve respect' bit, either in the vanilla or organized BDSM communities. Is it fair? Not always. But Life isn't fair, and no one ever promised you a slave.
 
Thanks Richard, this is why I joined Lit (Groucho Marx syndrome having taken momentary exception).

Fascinating? Direct, honest, humorous...and still tactful! In a lifestyle that is predicated upon the literally vital need for respect, where did all the buffalo hunters come from? Then again, I certainly won't blame Pauline Reage and can't cite the origin of cultural misogyny, so I'll stick to seeking out the winners (who do generally seem to be able to spell, fancy that).

We haven't been introduced but I noted your other post and hope you may accept my best wishes for your recovery.

Thanks.
 
Last edited:
SirTain said:

We haven't been introduced but I noted your other post and hope you may accept My best wishes for your recovery.

Thanks.

We have been introduced now :)

Thank you for your best wishes
but most of all thank for stopping by here
and comenting
 
Are you 'horseman' ?

Interesting stuff, R, I've with evesdream on that.
It's not clear to me who wrote either the historical intro or the chudwah piece? Are you saying you did?

Best regards,

J.
 
Last edited:
Hi Richard,

I tripped over this walking in the door..........

A good read and a well written rant, particularly for a 21 yr old.

Most of what you have written applies regardless of the "kink" in the relationship or female, akasha gets a lot of those too, they are typically ignored and usually sneered at......

As you know we have only a passing interest in BDSM as a lifestyle, it's not something we take seriously at all, but I did very much enjoy the post and thought I'd stop to let you know....... ;)
 
Oooh, I remember Usenet! (I was using the Internet in, um, 1989 I think was my first real exposure! The joys of FTP! And I lived for Usenet.)

Clueless Het Dom Wannabe -- hmm, I wonder if I could aspire to be one of those? :p

Shows it's age though -- these days, it's a jpeg, not a gif. I've seen the "I deserve respect" thing so many times. I guess it's destined to be an ongoing issue -- dealing with NFIs.
 
Richard, standing up and applauding. I love this. Though no one ever writes and pesters me anymore, and only once or twice in the past, I have talked to several submissives out there who are continually harassed by these dweebs. And let me assure you, that is the politest thing they have ever called them. ( I don't think I hang out in the "right" neighborhood, or else they are ffrightened off by Milady)

Are they really seeking a submissive? Do they even know what one is, and the hard work they are? We are a demanding bunch of darlings aren't we?

Easy relationship? No, in fact, more difficult then the nilla ones. But since they aren't real, anymore then their 12 inch dicks, they don't know this. They don't realize the time and patience and planning, and training it takes to become entitled to being a Dom, a real one and not some made up thing.

So instead, they pester and annoy, and sometimes get what they want. A poor "kid" who thinks that easy sex and getting beat is what the whole tthing is.

This was written in 84? Things don't change much do they?

Isn't it funny you mentioned the story of O. My boss lent it to me and I was planning on watching it, just to see what the hoopla was about.
 
ozraven said:
Hi Richard,

I tripped over this walking in the door..........

A good read and a well written rant, particularly for a 21 yr old.

Most of what you have written applies regardless of the "kink" in the relationship or female, akasha gets a lot of those too, they are typically ignored and usually sneered at......

As you know we have only a passing interest in BDSM as a lifestyle, it's not something we take seriously at all, but I did very much enjoy the post and thought I'd stop to let you know....... ;)

You need to be careful how you walk :)

Thank you for passing by, reading and sharing
 
Pure said:
Are you 'horseman' ?

Interesting stuff, R, I've with evesdream on that.
It's not clear to me who wrote either the historical intro or the chudwah piece? Are you saying you did?

Best regards,

J.

Nope I am not horseman
I hope I did not in any mislead anyone
 
Re: Re: chudwah

Merelan said:


Isn't it funny you mentioned the story of O. My boss lent it to me and I was planning on watching it, just to see what the hoopla was about.

I did not know that there were others like me till I saw the Story of O and did not understand submission till I read both of the intros to the book.

I understand now that the book has niether of the intros

I have NO idea where to meet a submissive for my life
but I know online sure scares the hell out of me
 
Re: Re: chudwah

Merelan said:
Richard, standing up and applauding. I love this. Though no one ever writes and pesters me anymore, and only once or twice in the past, I have talked to several submissives out there who are continually harassed by these dweebs. And let me assure you, that is the politest thing they have ever called them. ( I don't think I hang out in the "right" neighborhood, or else they are ffrightened off by Milady)

Are they really seeking a submissive? Do they even know what one is, and the hard work they are? We are a demanding bunch of darlings aren't we?

Easy relationship? No, in fact, more difficult then the nilla ones. But since they aren't real, anymore then their 12 inch dicks, they don't know this. They don't realize the time and patience and planning, and training it takes to become entitled to being a Dom, a real one and not some made up thing.

So instead, they pester and annoy, and sometimes get what they want. A poor "kid" who thinks that easy sex and getting beat is what the whole tthing is.

This was written in 84? Things don't change much do they?


Thank you for your the thank you :)

No things do not change
and I think your summury here says tons
 
FungiUg said:
Oooh, I remember Usenet! (I was using the Internet in, um, 1989 I think was my first real exposure! The joys of FTP! And I lived for Usenet.)

Clueless Het Dom Wannabe -- hmm, I wonder if I could aspire to be one of those? :p

Shows it's age though -- these days, it's a jpeg, not a gif. I've seen the "I deserve respect" thing so many times. I guess it's destined to be an ongoing issue -- dealing with NFIs.

What's a NFI ?
 
Thanks for the post Richard!

I'm, er, chagrined to report that the chudwa lives.. I met one at the munch the other day. Apparently we(another subbie and I) were supposed to be submissive to him and all that. So NOT! D and another Dom asked him to step outside for a moment so they could talk and his response was "Good. This one belongs to one of you? If she was mine I'd never let her leave the house until she learns her place... We need to discuss that..." I'm not sure what the convo entailed, but the jerk came in, asked for his bill and left.
 
Re: Thanks for the post Richard!

D's mariposa said:
I'm, er, chagrined to report that the chudwa lives.. I met one at the munch the other day. Apparently we(another subbie and I) were supposed to be submissive to him and all that. So NOT! D and another Dom asked him to step outside for a moment so they could talk and his response was "Good. This one belongs to one of you? If she was mine I'd never let her leave the house until she learns her place... We need to discuss that..." I'm not sure what the convo entailed, but the jerk came in, asked for his bill and left.

The advantages of real life
and a decent munch
 
So what's the point? Idiots exist? clap clap clap.

This is just more self-serving "dommer-than-thou" puffery.

I am far more interested in the psychosexuality of the horny pesterers who; though they may lack the courtship skills, obviously DO want to recieve sexual service.

I personally WOULD lend my submissive sex slave out to any takers, after the appropriate screenings for safety, psychoness, disease, etc.
 
Thank you Rich....that was definetely something very interesting. I liked it very much.

:kiss:
 
rosco rathbone said:
I am far more interested in the psychosexuality of the horny pesterers who; though they may lack the courtship skills, obviously DO want to recieve sexual service.

People who are ignorant about BDSM and the lifestyle, but accept that they are learners, can be taught and helped.

Ignorant people that believe they know it all are best ignored.
 
As for the morons who regularly hit on me, assuming I was a bottom only or treating me as their bottom, or telling me at length all women are bottoms, or whatever their stupidity happened to be, if I can't just laugh in their face and I need articles spelling out that they are idiots with no tact, God help me.

Is there a sign at the munch door "abandon all common sense ye who enter here?"

Why do we, perverts, as a community, rely so much on expertise to tell us things that I really hope, are obvious to most people?
 
Because it isn't obvious to some, some people have to have things spelled out for them. Not only in our perverted wonderful world, but out there in the big scarey one as well.
That's why we have so many signs and laws and such.
 
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Richard49
What's a NFI ?

FungiUg said:
No fucking idea.

ROFLMAO

I know him well
 
Back
Top