Christians and Jews say MUSLIMS are APES, where is the outrage?

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The Swine are Christians and the Apes are Jews

By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 23, 2006

A recent article in the Washington Post, written by Nina Shea of Freedom House, laid bare Saudi hypocrisy in claiming to have removed hateful material from textbooks, when in fact that material remains in abundance. This is not just an issue within the Kingdom, for the Saudis export such material in large quantities to Muslims in other countries.

But the article points to a deeper problem – one that Western authorities sooner or later will have to deal with: much of the objectionable material is actually derived from the Muslim holy book, the Qur’an, and from Hadith (traditions of the Muslim Prophet Muhammad considered authentic by Muslims and for them second only to the Qur’an in importance).

To shy away from pointing out the deep Islamic roots of the material leads one to the impression that this material originates with the Saudi Wahhabis, when in fact it is a much broader problem within the Islamic community worldwide.



If Freedom House and its allies were somehow to succeed in getting the Saudis to stop teaching this sort of thing in Saudi Arabia and around the world (and I hope they do succeed), they will be surprised to find that the problem hasn’t thereby disappeared.



Nina Shea’s article declares: “A review of a sample of official Saudi textbooks for Islamic studies used during the current academic year reveals that, despite the Saudi government’s statements to the contrary, an ideology of hatred toward Christians and Jews and Muslims who do not follow Wahhabi doctrine remains in this area of the public school system.



The texts teach a dualistic vision, dividing the world into true believers of Islam (the ‘monotheists’) and unbelievers (the ‘polytheists’ and ‘infidels’).” It provides numerous examples, all of which in fact show that what is being taught is not some heretical “Wahhabi doctrine,” but a reasonable summation of teachings found in the Qur’an and Hadith. The blockquotes below are from the Saudi textbooks as reported by Shea; interspersed are relevant Qur’anic verses and other material showing that all this is not just Wahhabi invention:



FIRST GRADE



“Every religion other than Islam is false.”



“Fill in the blanks with the appropriate words (Islam, hellfire): Every religion other than ______________ is false. Whoever dies outside of Islam enters ____________.”



This is straight from the Qur’an: “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good)” (3:85).



FOURTH GRADE



“True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly.”



Again, this is straight from the Qur’an: “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” (48:29). “Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures” (98:6).



FIFTH GRADE



“Whoever obeys the Prophet and accepts the oneness of God cannot maintain a loyal friendship with those who oppose God and His Prophet, even if they are his closest relatives.”



“It is forbidden for a Muslim to be a loyal friend to someone who does not believe in God and His Prophet, or someone who fights the religion of Islam.”



“A Muslim, even if he lives far away, is your brother in religion. Someone who opposes God, even if he is your brother by family tie, is your enemy in religion.”



“Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (to remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” (Qur’an 3:28)



“O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.” (Qur’an 5:51)



SIXTH GRADE



“Just as Muslims were successful in the past when they came together in a sincere endeavor to evict the Christian crusaders from Palestine, so will the Arabs and Muslims emerge victorious, God willing, against the Jews and their allies if they stand together and fight a true jihad for God, for this is within God’s power.”



“Verily Allah will defend (from ill) those who believe: verily, Allah loveth not any that is a traitor to faith, or show ingratitude.” (Qur’an 22:38)



“There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah, the other resisting Allah; these saw with their own eyes Twice their number. But Allah doth support with His aid whom He pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to see.” (Qur’an 3:13)



EIGHTH GRADE



“As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus.”



“Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians -- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness -- shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai),: (saying): “Hold firmly to what We have given you and bring (ever) to remembrance what is therein: Perchance ye may fear Allah.” But ye turned back thereafter: Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allah to you, ye had surely been among the lost. And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. We said to them: “Be ye apes, despised and rejected.” (Qur’an 2:62-65)



This verse makes it clear that the apes and swine are Jews and Christians, the “People of the Book”:



“Say: ‘O people of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that hath come to us and that which came before (us), and (perhaps) that most of you are rebellious and disobedient?’Say: ‘Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil -- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!’“ (Qur’an 5:59-60)



“God told His Prophet, Muhammad, about the Jews, who learned from parts of God’s book [the Torah and the Gospels] that God alone is worthy of worship. Despite this, they espouse falsehood through idol-worship, soothsaying, and sorcery. In doing so, they obey the devil. They prefer the people of falsehood to the people of the truth out of envy and hostility. This earns them condemnation and is a warning to us not to do as they did.”



“The Jews say: Allah’s hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are accursed for saying so.” (Qur’an 5:64)



“They are the Jews, whom God has cursed and with whom He is so angry that He will never again be satisfied [with them].”



“The Jews call ‘Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!” (Qur’an 9:30)



“Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil, and not God, through consecration, sacrifice, prayer, appeals for help, and other types of worship. Some of the Jews worship the devil. Likewise, some members of this nation worship the devil, and not God.”



See the verses quoted above, which establish the apes and pigs reference and show that Allah’s curse is on Jews and Christians.



“Activity: The student writes a composition on the danger of imitating the infidels.”



Clearly if one is not to take them as friends and protectors (3:28, 5:51), and if they are the worst of creatures (98:6), and are under Allah’s curse (9:30), they should not be imitated.



NINTH GRADE



“The clash between this [Muslim] community (umma) and the Jews and Christians has endured, and it will continue as long as God wills.”



“And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” (2:193)



“It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.” (Sahih Muslim book 1, no. 30; there are many similar ahadith)



“It is part of God’s wisdom that the struggle between the Muslim and the Jews should continue until the hour [of judgment].”



“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”’” (Sahih Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 177; there are many similar ahadith)



TENTH GRADE



The 10th-grade text on jurisprudence teaches that life for non-Muslims (as well as women, and, by implication, slaves) is worth a fraction of that of a “free Muslim male.” Blood money is retribution paid to the victim or the victim’s heirs for murder or injury:



“Blood money for a free infidel. [Its quantity] is half of the blood money for a male Muslim, whether or not he is ‘of the book’ or not ‘of the book’ (such as a pagan, Zoroastrian, etc.).



“Blood money for a woman: Half of the blood money for a man, in accordance with his religion. The blood money for a Muslim woman is half of the blood money for a male Muslim, and the blood money for an infidel woman is half of the blood money for a male infidel.”



“Since Islam regards non-Muslims as on a lower level of belief and conviction, if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim...then his punishment must not be the retaliatory death, since the faith and conviction he possesses is loftier than that of the man slain.” -- The Iranian Sufi Sheikh Sultanhussein Tabandeh, A Muslim Commentary on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, London, 1970, p. 18; Iranian Sufis are not Wahhabis.)



ELEVENTH GRADE



“The greeting ‘Peace be upon you’ is specifically for believers. It cannot be said to others.”



“If one comes to a place where there is a mixture of Muslims and infidels, one should offer a greeting intended for the Muslims.”



“Do not yield to them [Christians and Jews] on a narrow road out of honor and respect.”



“Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules...In addition, they...are not greeted with ‘as-Salamu ‘alaykum’; ...must keep to the side of the street...” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o11.5 (3-4); this manual of Shafi’i law was endorsed in 1991 by Al-Azhar University in Cairo, which is not a Wahhabi institution, as conforming “to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community.)



TWELFTH GRADE



“Jihad in the path of God -- which consists of battling against unbelief, oppression, injustice, and those who perpetrate it -- is the summit of Islam. This religion arose through jihad and through jihad was its banner raised high. It is one of the noblest acts, which brings one closer to God, and one of the most magnificent acts of obedience to God.”



“A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.” (Sahih Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 44)



The implications of this will sooner or later have to be faced. But up to this point this entire issue has been shrouded in ignorance. For instance, a recent report in Australia’s Herald Sun about hate books being sold in Australian Muslim bookstores ascribed this quote to a book called Jihad in the Qur’an and Sunnah: “When you meet those who disbelieve, smite at their necks ‘til when you have killed and wounded many of them, then take them as captives.” In fact, that is a direct quote from the Qur’an itself (47:4).



How can Western authorities face the implications of all this? Should the Qur’an be banned as inciting to hatred and violence? It is inconceivable that the governments of Europe and the United States would take such a step. It is not inconceivable, however, that such verses as those quoted above and others that are used by jihadists to recruit and motivate Muslims to commit acts of violence would become widely known among government and law enforcement officials.



They could then ask the difficult questions of Muslims in the West that should have been asked since 9/11 and before that: how do you understand this material? What concrete, practical steps have you taken to counter the literalist understanding of the Qur’an and Hadith that jihadists are using to incite Muslims to violence? When will you issue an explicit statement acknowledging that jihadists use these passages and others in this way, rejecting their understanding and use of them, and proposing a viable alternative?



The longer this is not done, the longer this material will continue to play a quiet and unnoticed role in the proliferation of jihad terrorism worldwide
 
Get it straight, BB: I'm a swine, you're an ape. Mistakes make baby Mohammed cry.

And remember - we can only say unflattering things about the Saudis when it makes Chimpy look bad.
 
truth is that when Bush said that any country that supprts terror will be treated as a hostile regime

HE LIED

SA is a terror supporter and enabler and Bush does NOTHING!
 
busybody said:
truth is that when Bush said that any country that supprts terror will be treated as a hostile regime

HE LIED

SA is a terror supporter and enabler and Bush does NOTHING!

I think it's a touchy situation with the Saudis. My bet is that the bulk of the important Royals in SA aren't actively hostile to the West (it's where they go whoring and drinking, after all), but because they are the keepers of the Muslim holy sites, they have to put on a show of piety or find themselves on the business end of the blade, too. So they pay off the lunatic imams and fill their textbooks with infidel-hating claptrap to keep the psychotics at bay.

It's not as if there's some burgeoning democratic movement waiting just below the surface in SA and it's just a matter of getting the Royals out of the way. What stands ready to assume power there is far, far worse than the Sauds.
 
All religions are wrong.

Except Scientology.

Can I interest you in some dianetics?
 
The STate Dept has had a policy of DONT ROCK THE BOAT we dont know who will follow

they prefered BAD GUYS to who knows what would follow

did it work?

If we dont stop the Saudis, they will fund the bad guys and it will never stop

Yet they talk of RACISM against us and APARTHEID against Israel, when in fact its the Saudi's that are forefront in both
 
Veelo said:
All religions are wrong.

Except Scientology.

Can I interest you in some dianetics?
its NOT the religion

its the CRAZIES that misrepresent the religion!
 
busybody said:
The STate Dept has had a policy of DONT ROCK THE BOAT we dont know who will follow

they prefered BAD GUYS to who knows what would follow

did it work?

If we dont stop the Saudis, they will fund the bad guys and it will never stop

Yet they talk of RACISM against us and APARTHEID against Israel, when in fact its the Saudi's that are forefront in both

It's hard to disagree with that. I'm afraid, though, that dumping the Sauds overboard would bring in a gang that would make the Taliban look like the ACLU.
 
its SIMPLE

we change em all till they get it right!!!!!!!!!!!

See example of Libya

BTW, the new S ambassador to the US is a terror supporter 100%
 
The Emerging Shape of Future Jihad
The coming shape of the Islamist jihad war is becoming clear: self-starting groups that are increasingly decentralized structure, linked by shifting networks and communicating almost exclusively through the Internet.

The chief architect of this strategy is the Spanish-Syrian strategist Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, the subject of a very nice piece in The Washington Post, whose 1,600 page treastise, “The Call for a Global Islamic Resistance,” has been circulating on Web sites for 18 months.

Written under the pen name Abu Musab al-Suri, the document espouses the concept of “nizam, la tanzim,” or ‘System, not organisation.’ Jihadist groups should develop a template that allows them to create structures wherever they are, and carry out recruitment, fund-raising and attacks.

The leadership, as traditionally understood in hierarchical structures, would be limited solely to general guidence of the true believers. This would essentially do away with the role of the traditional al Qaeda leadership in directing attacks or plotting a grand military strategy.

One of the most interesting things about Nasar, now in prison after being arrested in Pakistan last October, is his willingness to extensively engage in self-criticism and critique of al Qaeda and its operations. He has even been willing to differ publicly with Osama bin Laden, at least during bin Laden’s days in the late 1990s as an occassional media star.

This strategy is not necessarily widely embraced by the traditional jihadist leadership, and certainly not by the traditional Muslim Brotherhood groups, who maintain a fairly rigid structure and closed network.

Yet the two strategies are also not mutually exclusive. There can be a hierachical organization at the core that plans for the larger actions of the al Qaeda structure, as structures are needed to acquire and train with weapons of mass destruction or biological and chemical attacks.

At the same time, Nasar’s strategy offers an opening to anyone, anywhere, to fulfill his Islamist duty to attack the infidel. This type of attack is cheap, hard to detect, relatively easy to organize and, if compromised, hurts only a few people. It is also much harder to prevent or obtain good intelligence on.

The one ray of hope is that few Muslims have embraced Nasar’s strategy so far, at least to the point of acting on it. There may be even fewer Muslims in Europe and elsewhere who believe his hateful message and are willing to act on it than he thought. Or maybe there are things in progress that will prove he has an audience.
 
LMAO, those of us on the left have been calling the murderous dictatorship in Saudi for years. Glad to see you dozy yank bastards are finally waking up.
 
SeanH said:
LMAO, those of us on the left have been calling the murderous dictatorship in Saudi for years. Glad to see you dozy yank bastards are finally waking up.

See my post above. I don't think that anyone will dispute the revolting nature of the Sauds. The question is whether the alterative is worse.
 
busybody said:
yes, you have been CALLING on em

selling em YOUR weapons!
Hang on, I'll go and dig out that nice pic of Rummy selling arms to Saddam...
 
SeanH said:
Hang on, I'll go and dig out that nice pic of Rummy selling arms to Saddam...
that was THEN

this is now


"When circumstance chage, I change my mind, WHAT DO YOU DO, SIR?"

Dead White Male R W Emerson

and

"Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds"

Same Dead White Male

(I think)!
 
no one has yet made a COMMENT on the first post

BUT

If P Robertson calls em a DIRTY RELIGION the world would explode with condemnation :rolleyes:
 
SeanH said:
Hang on, I'll go and dig out that nice pic of Rummy selling arms to Saddam...

You'll find a picture of him shaking hands with him, but Russia, France, China and even the UK sold him far, far more weapons than we did.
 
SeanH said:
Hang on, I'll go and dig out that nice pic of Rummy selling arms to Saddam...
I recall a small minor incident

You may have heard of it

WWII

We had ALL OUT WAR

against

Japan

Germany

and

Italy

now we are "allies"

HIPPO CREEPS are we? NO? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
SeanH said:
Hang on, I'll go and dig out that nice pic of Rummy selling arms to Saddam...
I recall a small minor incident

You may have heard of it

WWII

We had ALL OUT WAR

against

Japan

Germany

and

Italy

now we are "allies"

HIPPO CREEPS are we? NO? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
SeanH said:
Hang on, I'll go and dig out that nice pic of Rummy selling arms to Saddam...
I recall a small minor incident

You may have heard of it

WWII

We had ALL OUT WAR

against

Japan

Germany

and

Italy

now we are "allies"

HIPPO CREEPS are we? NO? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
busybody said:
no one has yet made a COMMENT on the first post

BUT

If P Robertson calls em a DIRTY RELIGION the world would explode with condemnation :rolleyes:
I didn't hear you screaming when the Saudis were "our man in the middle east", BB. They were still teaching their hate filled shit. Why the change of heart?
 
SeanH said:
I didn't hear you screaming when the Saudis were "our man in the middle east", BB. They were still teaching their hate filled shit. Why the change of heart?
You are wrong

I have LONG advocated the downfall of the Saudi's
 
Gringao said:
You'll find a picture of him shaking hands with him, but Russia, France, China and even the UK sold him far, far more weapons than we did.
And the US funded and equiped the Taliban.
 
SeanH said:
I didn't hear you screaming when the Saudis were "our man in the middle east", BB. They were still teaching their hate filled shit. Why the change of heart?

Let's put it this way, Sean: Who should be our man in Saudi?
 
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