Christian Fundamentalists!

[amicus]

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Why are "Christian Fundamentalists" a pejorative term to most Americans?

 

[rengadeirishman]

because fundamentalists are a pack of lunatics.

 

[sadangel]

So, should this thread go off topic in three posts...or would it be better to wait a few more pages??

 

[Liar]

Thread over in one reply.

 

[amicus]

Perhaps and perhaps to the last two.



ami

 

[Liar]

Perhaps and perhaps to the last two.



ami

Oh, if you are going to keep posting...


They are lunatics though.

 

[amicus]

Heh, Okay Liar, you think they are lunatics, just in small print, amusing.

I would guess that atheists are a smaller target than the 'Neo Nazi Christians' that the left joyously assaults, especially around election time when they fear the Fundy vote. I just thought y'all might enjoy venting your wrath against the Christiran fundamentalist south on an open forum question....dunno...

ami

 

[Boxlicker101]

Heh, Okay Liar, you think they are lunatics, just in small print, amusing.

I would guess that atheists are a smaller target than the 'Neo Nazi Christians' that the left joyously assaults, especially around election time when they fear the Fundy vote. I just thought y'all might enjoy venting your wrath against the Christiran fundamentalist south on an open forum question....dunno...

ami

Fundamentalists of any kind are seen as fanatics who want to mind everybody's business, and are unpopular because of that. Aetheists basically mind their own business, and don't care if some gay men get married of if somebody reads a dirty story or unmarried men and women fuck each other or anything else happens that doesn't affect them.

 

[amicus]

Or, Box, you could see it dfferently...a generation ago abortion was first degree murder, homosexuality was a mental ailment and women were wives and mothers and not cops and firemen. Prayer was in schools as well as in the White House, Christmas was celebrated everywhere in the US, English only was spoken in America.

Mebbe they are trying to retain a life style they used to enjoy that they feel is being threatened?

Just askin'


Ami

 

[Liar]

Fundamentalists of any kind are seen as fanatics who want to mind everybody's business, and are unpopular because of that. Aetheists basically mind their own business, and don't care if some gay men get married of if somebody reads a dirty story or unmarried men and women fuck each other or anything else happens that doesn't affect them.

I'd guess I'd have a problem with fundamental atheists too. As in people who agressively attack and try to eradicate all superstitious beliefs. Fundamental atheism was what Soviet attempted for a while, until they gave up.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Or, Box, you could see it dfferently...a generation ago abortion was first degree murder, homosexuality was a mental ailment and women were wives and mothers and not cops and firemen. Prayer was in schools as well as in the White House, Christmas was celebrated everywhere in the US, English only was spoken in America.

Mebbe they are trying to retain a life style they used to enjoy that they feel is being threatened?

Just askin'


Ami

I don't know your definition of "a generation" but I do know that in 1980, and before, abortions were legal in the US and other places. Homosexuality had not been considered a mental illness for a long time and there were millions of women holding full-time jobs. There were policewomen, but maybe not female firefighters. Christmas is still celebrated and there were millions of people in the US who spoke English poorly.

Liar Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Fundamentalists of any kind are seen as fanatics who want to mind everybody's business, and are unpopular because of that. Aetheists basically mind their own business, and don't care if some gay men get married of if somebody reads a dirty story or unmarried men and women fuck each other or anything else happens that doesn't affect them.

I'd guess I'd have a problem with fundamental atheists too. As in people who agressively attack and try to eradicate all superstitious beliefs. Fundamental atheism was what Soviet attempted for a while, until they gave up.
Today 05:27 PM

Generally speaking, in the USA, aetheists mind their own business and don't care what others do or believe. At the same time, sometimes things happen, such as prayer in school and similar things. Aetheists would consider things like thus to be their business, and would fight against them. I would agree, because I don't like the idea of people's opinions being rammed down other peopl's throats.

 

[jomar]

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Jerry Falwell's children done good, no?


Something to think about...

 

[amicus]

Box:...perhaps my indicating a 'generation', was needlessly limiting, if I may amend that to 'following ww2', but I think you are quibbling over nothing, there was a time in America, and not so very long ago from my perspective, in which all of the things I noted made up how the majority lived their lives, thought and believed...so with that small modification, I still pose the question, perhaps the Fundamentalist Christians the liberals love to hate, are merely defending a faith and a style of living they grew up with?

Ah, and add to that, the forced civil rights movement, especially in the south, that forced reluctant white christians to accept blacks on every front?

And all the efforts to minimize religious paraphenalia in courty houses, public property and a continual withering of a 'chaste' life style as opposed to the more open promiscuous one now?

ami

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

If you go back far enough the Puritans were ridiculed almost from the beginning, because the nation was almost entirely Anglican, and the Anglicans were very conservative until recently when the church was taken over by the faggots & feminists.

Methodists, Presbyterians, and Lutherans pretty much make up the mainline churches. Jews, Baptists, and Romans are fringe.

The rest are considered weird by any definition.

 

[off2bed]

Christ was ridiculed.

It comes from "He's different from us, we gotta kill 'im."

 

[amicus]

Seems to me I read somewhere that Catholics are the largest religion in America? Could be wrong, I guess.

I think it is but a flip of the coin as to whether fundamentalist left wingers or fundamentalist christians are the greatest threat to freedom and liberty; both are obnoxious.



amicus...

 

[JamesSD]

Or, Box, you could see it dfferently...a generation ago abortion was first degree murder, homosexuality was a mental ailment and women were wives and mothers and not cops and firemen. Prayer was in schools as well as in the White House, Christmas was celebrated everywhere in the US, English only was spoken in America.

How far we've come!
Although, as Boxlicker stated, Christmas is still celebrated all over the US, by Christians, Jews, Agnostics and Atheists. It involves putting an evergreen tree in your house, eating a turkey/ham and hanging socks for some dude in a red suit. Someone told me once it used to have something to do with some guy named Jesus, but someone else then reminded me that really we're following the true origins of the pagan holiday the Christians took over.

As far as English being the only language, there was a time when "Whites" where threatened by such "non-whites" as the Irish, Italians and Polish immigrants. As a nation of immigrants, there is always a cycle of first generation immigrants not integrating, but their children learning english and fully integrating. These days thinking of an Italian as "non-white" is laughable, but I'm sure you remember a time when being a Catholic was viewed as a liability in political candidates.

Anyways, as for the original question about why Christian Fundamentalists aren't liked: nominally they view a lot of mainstream behaviors as evil and sinful. Premarital sex, gambling, and in some cases drinking alcohol or sex toy ownership, to cite some examples. When someone tells you that you're evil for partaking in a personal, benign activity, you generally don't like them much.

 

[amicus]

True, JamesSD, and incisive, but not all inclusive.

When the Colonists revolted and became, 'Americans', that basic 'melting pot' of differences was bound together around a Constitution and later a Bill of Rights and a general acceptance of a God as the source of moral, good and evil actions.

As you say, there have been infusions of immigrants from time to time, but only recently, with the influx of millions of Spanish speaking Mexicans, has the issue of fundamental 'Americanism', been a sore point.

Previously most, if not all immigrants, were happy to learn and adopt the ways of their new country as their own and become part of the larger whole.

I suggest that the changes in our society since the end of ww2 are staggering and have challenged the very idea of what it means to be an American.

amicus...

 

[DesertPirate]

Seems to me I read somewhere that Catholics are the largest religion in America? Could be wrong, I guess.

I think it is but a flip of the coin as to whether fundamentalist left wingers or fundamentalist christians are the greatest threat to freedom and liberty; both are obnoxious.



amicus...

Catholics still are but Baptists are closing fast
I'm more concerned with the left, like that's a surprise to anyone

 

[Boxlicker101]

Catholics still are but Baptists are closing fast
I'm more concerned with the left, like that's a surprise to anyone

I think Catholics are the biggest sect, but that depends on your definition of "Catholic."

I am also more concerned with the fundamentalist Left. Christian fundies are annoying, but the leftists can be dangerous. So can Christian fundies, of course, but not as much so. All they want is for people to stop doing things they consider sinful. Leftists want to overthrow the government, overturn the Constitution and turn the US into to some kind of SSR.

 

[DesertPirate]

I think Catholics are the biggest sect, but that depends on your definition of "Catholic."

I am also more concerned with the fundamentalist Left. Christian fundies are annoying, but the leftists can be dangerous. So can Christian fundies, of course, but not as much so. All they want is for people to stop doing things they consider sinful. Leftists want to overthrow the government, overturn the Constitution and turn the US into to some kind of SSR.

My definition does not include Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, or any Kennedys
You can't Catholic and be Pro Choice!

Guess I left very little to wonder about huh?

 

[amicus]

It might be interesting, Box, et al, to start a thread about the pejorative sense most Americans possess towards the liberal left. The problem is...ahm, they constantly refuse to identify themselves as attached to any particular set of principles other than being in opposition to every thing?

heh

ami

 

[DesertPirate]

It might be interesting, Box, et al, to start a thread about the pejorative sense most Americans possess towards the liberal left. The problem is...ahm, they constantly refuse to identify themselves as attached to any particular set of principles other than being in opposition to every thing?

heh

ami

Like most of the mainstream media that doesn't posess anything I recognise as a principle.

 

[driphoney]

What interests me most about this topic is the term 'fundamentalist', and how it's been hijacked over the decades.

The term 'fundamentalist', if my history is right, was a self applied term first appearing in an outspoken way by theologian J.G. Machen for those, who during the shift in theology within the mainline Protestant denominations, (Princeton Theological Seminary, and the Presbyterian church, specifically,) used the terms 'fundamentals' and 'fundamentalists' to differentiate between themselves and 'modernists'. Meaning they were adhering to the 'fundamentals' of the faith, ie. the Westminster Confession, Calvinism, etc.

Which brings us to today where the term has come to mean religious fanatic.

Okay, sorry, probably should keep my musings to myself. Pretend this is the color coded sidebar in the textbook that you always ignore ...

 

[amicus]

I or we, if you prefer, don't ignore academe at all, as most of us, believe it or not, did our time in Liberal Arts schools here, there and everywhere.

When one chooses to communicate, one seldom exercises the full extent of one's education unless one wishes to impress others.

I was trying for a term that matched the title of the thread, 'Atheists!' and Fundamental seemed better suited than Red Necked, Gun Toting, Pickup truck driving....ahm, well, you should see my point.

Perhaps you could suggest a 'catch all' term by which I might properly address the left wing liberal, progressive pinko, enviro, animal loving freaks in a thread?



ami