Etoile
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Has anybody heard of this site?
http://www.christiandomesticdiscipline.com/
http://www.christiandomesticdiscipline.com/
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intothewoods
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Omg - fascinating. And I want those pantaloons. Check out the store!
Etoile said:
I'm what most here would call a fundementalist Christian, so while I've never seen this site, I'm familiar with the concept. And I'd never subscribe to it. I personally have no issue with submitting to my husband in matters of faith (and that's what I belive Paul was talking about when he told wives to submit to their husbands) but I don't believe that wives are required by the Bible to be disciplined physically by their husbands. Maybe I'm way too independent, but the idea that I have to be disciplined to correct my behavior creeps me out. It smacks of an unequal marriage, and I don't believe THAT'S Biblical.
Of course, if a couple chooses to particpate in that lifestyle, more power to them, unless they start twisting the Bible around to justify things like abuse. And while I'd never participate myself, that doesn't mean I don't want my husband dominate me in other ways. <evil grin>
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If you read some of the articles it is putting a "Christian" spin on BDSM basically. Making what we already do more "acceptable" to the "moral majority" so they can handle participating better. It is really just some group's way of trying to make kink not so taboo.
One of the articles I looked at under the "head of the household" section (yes I peaked, sue me...LOL) was about warming up the wife. It was talking about starting out slowly on a spanking so that the wife can take more. Sound familiar?
I didn't really look much further. Didn't see a need. If this works for some I think it is fine. I'm of a mind that we all have to figure out what works for us as individuals anyway, since there are really no set rules in this "lifestyle" that we've chosen. Of course this is just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions...
One of the articles I looked at under the "head of the household" section (yes I peaked, sue me...LOL) was about warming up the wife. It was talking about starting out slowly on a spanking so that the wife can take more. Sound familiar?
I didn't really look much further. Didn't see a need. If this works for some I think it is fine. I'm of a mind that we all have to figure out what works for us as individuals anyway, since there are really no set rules in this "lifestyle" that we've chosen. Of course this is just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions...
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Etoile said:
Not with that particular site but there are other websites devoted to being Christian and maintaining discipline and authority (if not outright kink) in the marriage... *grin*
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Amazing......
I can't figure out why those types get so "touchy". It's not like Christianity forbids sex between a husband and wife, even BDSM sex. I've heard people claim it's degrading, and therefore has no place in a Christian marriage, but I don't see it.WriterDom said:
Meant to lurk through this thread, but reconciling my religious beliefs and sexual feelings is kind of a new thing for me - so this is interesting.
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Not to mention that there are several Christian theologians, both Protestant and Catholic, who clearly articulate that sexuality within marriage is meant to be celebrated and enjoyed for both husband and wife as the most intimate of sharing and pleasure.
The whole anti-sex thing is driven by insecurity, fear, and reliance on the writings of Paul, who clearly had "issues", to be polite about it.
*grins*
The whole anti-sex thing is driven by insecurity, fear, and reliance on the writings of Paul, who clearly had "issues", to be polite about it.
*grins*
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Evil_Geoff said:
Well, he did say 'better to marry than to burn' . . . yeah I'd say he had 'issues'.
What amazes me is how they'll take some of his teaching so literally, but not others. He also said 'If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.' (1 Corinthians 11:6) But, with the exception of a few groups, I don't see Christian women covering their heads.
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I'm sorry, the site is just plain scary...
And, it's not remotely related to BDSM, which is about finding and following one's own desire. It would demand that all people be hetero, that all men exercise power because that is demanded of "God" and that all women submit, in part because we are not capable of ruling our own lives or making rational decisions. A woman who is dominant, a man who desires submission and service, neither is allowed in this world view. Nor, ultimately, should these people have their way, would women be allowed agency in any sphere, public or private.
Why do these people get touchy about BDSM? Because it's about desire and pleasure, not suppressing the same or making it fit in all it's expansive glory into a very teeny confining, standardized mold.
Yea, I'm touchy on this one.
BTW, I am not anti-religion or anti-Christian. St. Paul may have hated sex and women (hats off to you, EG), but Christ was a feminist who loved us...
(And I'd be happy to provide chapter and verse if asked.)
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And, it's not remotely related to BDSM, which is about finding and following one's own desire. It would demand that all people be hetero, that all men exercise power because that is demanded of "God" and that all women submit, in part because we are not capable of ruling our own lives or making rational decisions. A woman who is dominant, a man who desires submission and service, neither is allowed in this world view. Nor, ultimately, should these people have their way, would women be allowed agency in any sphere, public or private.
Why do these people get touchy about BDSM? Because it's about desire and pleasure, not suppressing the same or making it fit in all it's expansive glory into a very teeny confining, standardized mold.
Yea, I'm touchy on this one.
BTW, I am not anti-religion or anti-Christian. St. Paul may have hated sex and women (hats off to you, EG), but Christ was a feminist who loved us...
(And I'd be happy to provide chapter and verse if asked.)
~ Neon
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neonflux said:
I agree with you, neon, and I certainly don't agree with their views. But as long as they are not preaching that everyone should be like this, and as long as these relationships are consensual, I don't have a problem with them. I would be concerned about kids in this type of marriage. Are they privy to the discipline?
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neonflux said:
Jesus rocked when it came to women's rights. No he didn't get them to where they are now, but He gave them a heck of a lot more respect and rights than they had at the time.
After all, the first people Jesus allowed to see Him after He'd risen were women.
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intothewoods said:
I think that your last point is well taken!
I completely understand your other sentiment, as well, and would absolutely agree if I thought that were the case. I think my concern is that they won't stop at saying that, "this is right for them." I have worked in reproductive health for a very long time and we are now seeing folks with similar views taking the first steps to limit access to hormonal birth control in the name of protecting women from ourselves. Need to go to work now, but will come back and find link to a particularly scary article later...
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i'm a bit anti-Christianity myself, but i have no issue with the views the DD groups espouse. i actually agree with a few of them...traditional gender roles, the natural order, etc....the difference is my beliefs don't have any religious basis.
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neonflux said:I think that your last point is well taken!
I completely understand your other sentiment, as well, and would absolutely agree if I thought that were the case. I think my concern is that they won't stop at saying that, "this is right for them." I have worked in reproductive health for a very long time and we are now seeing folks with similar views taking the first steps to limit access to hormonal birth control in the name of protecting women from ourselves. Need to go to work now, but will come back and find link to a particularly scary article later...
Lol - trust me, I share your concern. No need to find me scary articles. I'm plenty afraid of the fundamentalist religious right in this country!
If a person believes that discipline is commanded by the bible, but should not be erotic (I don't think they are saying that on this website, but they are dancing around the idea -- like, if you get turned on, that's fine, just don't talk about it - ha!), well, good luck with that maintaining that view.
But I guess I was just pondering, hypothetically...what if a couple who is involved in a consensual D/s relationship happens to believe that relationship is commanded by God. I don't personally believe that, nor would I look at any scripture as a way to intellectually support a personal choice, but I also understand that religion does provide a great sense of peace and happiness and stability for some people.
I guess I sometimes think there is a knee-jerk reaction to religion that isn't always fair or particularly tolerant. I'm not saying anyone here is reacting in that way, but it just gives me pause when making a judgment about a group I don't necessarily know everything about.
