Christain Porn

[Bobby_3111]

It's an implied bit of information from the Genesis story of Eden. If man (and woman) only had God's will, they would not have been able to have been tempted or would they have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge (the apple), because God had willed them not to do so. By eating the forbidden fruit, man illustrated that he possessed a self will (or free will) seperate from God.

Hope that helps.

Ok, i really didnt know if it was written somewhere or not, but it makes sense, thnx.

 

[xssve]

Since someone already bumped this thread i wanna ask you hardcore research types if you know or read the answer to this somewhere.

I've seen a lot of people and even heard some saying that "God gave us all free will" Yet I have never read that in any christian texts. And I will admit that i'm not a very big student of the bible or the koran or torah, so I was wondering if any of you had read the exact phrase or something similar in any of those books?

(I googled it but after going through 3 pages of religious nut-cases i gave up)

Wikipedia is a good place to start: Free Will in Theology.

Note the contrast between Lutheranism and Calvinism, Lutherans adhere more closely to Augustine, whereas Calvinists follow Calvin's doctrine of predestination.

If you ask me, Calvin was a cheap knock off of Augustine, who at least wrestles with the question of free will, good and evil, while Calvin simply defers the whole business to "destiny".

Ironically however, Calvin's defenders often credit him promulgating free will - the truth in Calvinism is that it simply doesn't matter: if you're saved, your saved no matter what you do, if you're not, you're damned regardless, which is probably where the saying "damned if you do, damned if you don't" comes from.

Thus, "the elect" are above human law, and they aren't accountable for anything they do to the unsaved in order to prepare the way for Jesus's return.

Naturally, it's a very popular doctrine with those who imagine themselves the elect, and not surprisingly, this often turns out to be those with the temporal power of life and death over others - it conveniently removes any element of conscience.

 

[LaRocha]

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Ironically however, Calvin's defenders often credit him promulgating free will - the truth in Calvinism is that it simply doesn't matter: if you're saved, your saved no matter what you do, if you're not, you're damned regardless, which is probably where the saying "damned if you do, damned if you don't" comes from.

Thus, "the elect" are above human law, and they aren't accountable for anything they do to the unsaved in order to prepare the way for Jesus's return.

Naturally, it's a very popular doctrine with those who imagine themselves the elect, and not surprisingly, this often turns out to be those with the temporal power of life and death over others - it conveniently removes any element of conscience.

Lenin, Caesar Augustus, Ramses were all preparing their path to divinity through their power. The elect and elected everywhere believe they're above human law. Justice and divinity aren't often separate in human societies. It could be James Traficant or the head of the Irish Church during a pedophile priest scandal.

Everyone in power has some sort of divine feeling about themselves, all the way down to a school board member. Justice always favors, is defined by, the group in power, justice is always divine. American justice is out of our hands, we don't sentence, there's an otherworldly mechanism that does it for us.

 

[xssve]

True, but Calvin turned it into formal doctrine and built a whole theology around it, and that's the theology we're dealing with here in the 21st century United States.

And, it's a theology explicitly at odds with the whole idea of rule of law, thus fair game for political treatment.

 

[xssve]

Anyway, I didn't want to debate politics in this thread, this thread was meant to be about the sexy stuff that tends to get buried in the political threads.

I like the whole idea of "flesh of my flesh", I think there may be some merit in the whole Christian approach, as opposed to the whole performance aspect of sexuality that's promulgated in porn in general, which is, to some extent, objectifying, if not dehumanizing - that can be fun sometimes, but I myself like to occasionally feel like I'm something besides a stunt cock.

I don't really blame it on porn, per se, I've been watching the whole culture head that direction since the Seventies, and there's a little more to it than porn - like blaming rap for gangsterism, the gangsters came before the rap, insofar as rap glorifies gangsterism, it's a symptom, not the cause.

Anyway, to that end, I'm more interested in exploring what, if anything, makes Christian porn different.

 

[LaRocha]

True, but Calvin made it doctrine and built a whole theology around it, and that's the theology we're dealing with here in the 21st century United States.

Yes, the Puritan/Anglican theology is still the mainstay of the American concept of justice. Those in power own their power because they earned it, they did the work, however backhanded. I was actually saying that the United States' system still gives the leaders their notions of divinity. The appearance is they were chosen by God/Destiny to lead and make law instead of by family lineage.

Okay, Jewish sex:

If your brother dies without impregnating his wife, it's your duty by God to 'marry' and impregnate her in his name. The child shall be his child in name and blood, not yours.
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Yibbum (pronounced "yee-boom"), or levirate marriage, in Judaism, is one of the most complex types of marriages mandated by Torah law (Deuteronomy 25:5-10). According to the law, the brother of a man who died without children has an obligation to marry the widow. However, if either of the parties refuses to go through with the marriage, both are required to go through a ceremony known as halizah, involving a symbolic act of renunciation of their right to perform this marriage. Jewish law (halakha) has seen a gradual decline of yibbum in favor of halizah, to the point where in most contemporary Jewish communities the former is strongly discouraged.

The concept of yibbum is not unique to Judaism. Known as levirate marriage (when the marriage is to the deceased's brother) or widow inheritance (when it is to any surviving male relative), it has been practiced by other societies with a strong clan structure. It is or was known in societies including the Punjabis, Jats, Huns (Chinese "Xiongnu", "Hsiong-nu", etc.), Mongols, and Tibetans.

 

[xssve]

Right,we gotta stop editing so much - this was Onan's "sin" - not that he spilled his seed, but that he spilled his brothers seed by proxy - his sin was "cockblocking" his brother, technically speaking.

The old man ended up knocking her up anyways, and it was all good in gods eyes.

 

[LaRocha]

Right,we gotta stop editing so much - this was Onan's "sin" - not that he spilled his seed, but that he spilled his brothers seed by proxy - his sin was "cockblocking" his brother, technically speaking.

The old man ended up knocking her up anyways, and it was all good in gods eyes.

It works well for literotica's NonCon category. A woman can absolutely hate her brother-in-law but God tells her she has to bear his son to honor her husband. A man can thereby defile his sister-in-law and it's God's wish that he do so.

 

[xssve]

It's one variation, but reading between the lines, it's entirely possible that Er (the eldest) was gay, Judah forced him to marry Tamar and give him an heir, he refused, and was therefore "dead to" Judah - whatever Er's transgression against god was that got him killed isn't mentioned - so Judah tells Onan to take up the slack, Onan decides at the last minute that that's a little too freaky (or maybe he hoped his son would inherit if Tamar fails to conceive), and he's dead to Judah too.

Tamar, her position in the family not secure until she bears and heir of Judah's blood, poses as a prostitute and seduces Judah himself - Judah has no choice but to marry his sons wife, he has his heir and everybody's happy.

Onan is disowned, but has invented the money shot, and ends up becoming a famous porn star, Er was gay anyway so he's out with the boys.

 

[xssve]

It was actually Clement of Alexandria who declared that every sperm is sacred.

Elsewhere, the Bible provides cleansing rituals, albeit they're pretty complicated - the short version is, take a shower and change the sheets.

Leviticus 15:1-15 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any man has a bodily discharge, the discharge is unclean. Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness: "'Any bed the man with a discharge lies on will be unclean, and anything he sits on will be unclean. Anyone who touches his bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever sits on anything that the man with a discharge sat on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. "'Whoever touches the man who has a discharge must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. "'If the man with the discharge spits on someone who is clean, that person must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. "'Everything the man sits on when riding will be unclean, and whoever touches any of the things that were under him will be unclean till evening; whoever picks up those things must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. "'Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. "'A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water. "'When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean. On the eighth day he must take two doves or two young pigeons and come before the LORD to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and give them to the priest. The priest is to sacrifice them, the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement before the LORD for the man because of his discharge.

Whew.