Choosing A Story Category When Two Fit

[Nightwork1]

So I'm just about ready to post a continuation to a story which technically should be a LW tale (which I'd like to avoid, my flame-proof suit is at the cleaners) however in the story is one scene of Incest (between a Brother & Sister), so is that enough to post it in 'Incest/Taboo'? Or am I better-off posting in LW and taking my chances with the infamous 'Anonymous' comments?

 

[A_Little_Show]

My analysis is here: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=936281

 

[sr71plt]

One scene of mf/ff incest = Incest Category

One scene of mm incest = Gay Male Category

 

[1sickbastard]

My analysis is here: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=936281

That's actually as good a guide as any I've seen. It seems to follow the "who is going to be offended" rule, so if there's any homo eroticism, incest, BDSM, or whatever, you throw it in the category that people who are offended by whatever will avoid.
Authors can use the tags to entice/scare off other readers as required.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

So I'm just about ready to post a continuation to a story which technically should be a LW tale (which I'd like to avoid, my flame-proof suit is at the cleaners) however in the story is one scene of Incest (between a Brother & Sister), so is that enough to post it in 'Incest/Taboo'? Or am I better-off posting in LW and taking my chances with the infamous 'Anonymous' comments?

If Incest/Taboo is where you want to post it, then you've certainly got enough there to get away with it.

One scene of mf/ff incest = Incest Category

One scene of mm incest = Gay Male Category

I don't think it's that simple. In my opinion, quantity has to be taken into account. I have a story that I posted in group, but it has some incest overtones to it. They aren't the main or even a prominent focus of the story, and it has done all right without anyone expressing offense.

In any event, I will be testing that theory soon. I'm finishing a three chapter, 50,000 word story that is mostly NonConsent, with some Romance and a few other categories mixed in. Chapter two prominently features a sister/sister scene, but that's 12-15 paragraphs out of 16,000 words. I'm going to post everything in NonCon. If there's an uproar, I'll report it here.

 

[SecondCircle]

One scene of mf/ff incest = Incest Category

One scene of mm incest = Gay Male Category

This. I know it seems "off" and doesn't necessarily apply to every case, but there are categories that trump others. And its does seem to lean this way because of who the material might offend, though a more optimistic way of putting it would be "who would the story better serve.

Male on male, regardless of what else occurs, pretty much always gets dropped in GM. Same with incest. I tried to throw a tale that involved an older father and his daughter's best friend into erotic couplings, and it was shuffled to Mature. Which actually was a better fit. Direct girl on girl usually goes to Lesbian sex, but not as often as GM.

Some categories just seem to blanket others. Though, it can get hazy when some lines come together. An all male group sex? Pilot would know better, but I'm assuming GM would win over group. Brother on sister horror story? Not so sure, though I did one, but it was step siblings that weren't extremely close. Nonconsenting lesbian? You got me. I would assume lesbian, but who knows.

 

[sr71plt]

This. I know it seems "off" and doesn't necessarily apply to every case, but there are categories that trump others. And its does seem to lean this way because of who the material might offend, though a more optimistic way of putting it would be "who would the story better serve.

Male on male, regardless of what else occurs, pretty much always gets dropped in GM. Same with incest. I tried to throw a tale that involved an older father and his daughter's best friend into erotic couplings, and it was shuffled to Mature. Which actually was a better fit. Direct girl on girl usually goes to Lesbian sex, but not as often as GM.

Some categories just seem to blanket others. Though, it can get hazy when some lines come together. An all male group sex? Pilot would know better, but I'm assuming GM would win over group. Brother on sister horror story? Not so sure, though I did one, but it was step siblings that weren't extremely close. Nonconsenting lesbian? You got me. I would assume lesbian, but who knows.

A thread on the Feedback forum indicates that there's a lot of MMF in the Group Sex category. I haven't had much luck with it there myself but maybe just need to drop more of it there and tell commenters to go fuck themselves if they don't like it until the Web site institutes good bisexual categories. I do have one that will post in Group Sex over the next couple of days that includes MF, MMF, and GM. I'll see how that flies.

I think Tex Tall Tails is working on a How-To now comprehensively discussing categories. What I've seen of that in relationship to the GM category as a trump card, which, I think he's getting from input from Laurel, is different from what you suppose (but I agree with you--that GM is as much a trump category as incest is--and that it even trumps incest for placement that doesn't bring out the reader knives).

 

[sr71plt]

I don't think it's that simple. In my opinion, quantity has to be taken into account. I have a story that I posted in group, but it has some incest overtones to it. They aren't the main or even a prominent focus of the story, and it has done all right without anyone expressing offense.

I do--on the GM angle. But, then, what do I know? I only have more that 500 GM stories posted here.

 

[Tx Tall Tales]

It's true I'm working this, and seeking considerable input, from fellow authors, and from Literotica. I've spent a ridiculous number of hours looking into this, reading old threads, searching through stories and checking out their contents and categories.

sr71plt shared his views with me, which seem to match what my research shows for the most part. It would be foolish for me to question his analysis. He has 100's of stories in GM, I have none. It was enough for me to re-evaluate some of my decisions, and I'm working on the edited portions.

The trump categories do exist, and are openly admitted to. It seems they are not absolute. None of them.

The wild card factors are quantity and quality. At least that is what my current research seems to indicate.

The more details that the 'trump' relationship goes into, the more likely it needs to be put in that category.

At the same time, the more prevalent one type of 'trump' relationship is, the more it tilts the scales that direction.

It is possible to have incest in a Loving Wives tale. I found several. In each, they were not the central theme.

I've found the same of GM in both loving wives, and incest, as long as they were secondary relationships. The depth of description varied greatly. The more descriptive seemed to be NonConsent.

For almost any rule I can find, there are exceptions. Nothing is hard and fast it seems. However, I can say that in some cases the exceptions are very few. There are definite patterns and trending.

Of course, beyond categorization, and the site over-riding it, the issue of reader preferences is a big factor to be considered. Even if you can get away with putting something in the category you want, over-riding and 'trump' factor, will your readers accept it?

I'm not going to go into further detail, I have 3500 words written to do that. I expect to submit it as soon as I've completed my Halloween Contest Novel. Which I STILL haven't been able to finish.

All this research stems from a bizarre story I started more than three years ago. It's a mind-control story, and I was torn on where to take it, and how to categorize it. In the end, I wrote an introductory chapter that set the table, and currently have 4 different multi-chapter endings, in different categories. There is a mature ending, an incest ending, a group sex ending, and a NonConsent ending. I intend to create even more. I didn't feel I could keep all the elements in one storyline, because of all the different trump themes, my only other choice to dump the whole thing into the non-entity that is Novels and Novellas. The more I researched it, the more confused I became, and I started to take notes. Three years later, I finally got around to pulling it all together, into a new How-To, which I hope to post very soon.


As for the story in question. If it's a LW tale with a single scene of familial incest, you can probably post it in LW without any issue, other that that you'll always find in LW. If it's a continuation (additional chapter) of a LW series, and this is the only one with incest, you may well want to catergorize it as such, as a warning to the reader. You should certainly indicate the incestual content in your Tags. Both the fact that there's incest, and the type of incestual relationship.

My $.02

 

[SecondCircle]

A thread on the Feedback forum indicates that there's a lot of MMF in the Group Sex category. I haven't had much luck with it there myself but maybe just need to drop more of it there and tell commenters to go fuck themselves if they don't like it until the Web site institutes good bisexual categories. I do have one that will post in Group Sex over the next couple of days that includes MF, MMF, and GM. I'll see how that flies.

I think Tex Tall Tails is working on a How-To now comprehensively discussing categories. What I've seen of that in relationship to the GM category as a trump card, which, I think he's getting from input from Laurel, is different from what you suppose (but I agree with you--that GM is as much a trump category as incest is--and that it even trumps incest for placement that doesn't bring out the reader knives).

I can say that I have a group sex story that includes MMF, and it ain't the kind that is just two guys plugging a girl. A reader actually pointed out that it's almost like the opening line of a joke. A straight guy, a bisexual girl, and a gay guy. That story went into Group Sex as intended, and was well received. No backlash at all. But I do think the category matters, as the Group Sex crowd is a bit more accepting given the topic.

Also, I frequent that category as a reader, and I've read dozens more MMF type like we speak of, and they were the same. Well received and no backlash. So I think your stories will fit fine there, without the shift.

 

[Nightwork1]

Thanks for all the feedback all! It sounds like since the first-part of the story (which does not have any incest in it) is in LW, the new one (the continuation) should be as well. The last thing I want to do is offend a reader who is not expecting a scene of incest so I'll be sure to tag it appropriately and may add a warning at the beginning.

Thanks again for all the advice!

 

[TeHDruiD]

I feel it belongs in the incest section as that is a very specific demographic on the site. Not a lot of people will want to see that, while many others will. I think incest section is best

 

[horrorotica]

If LW is one of the options, go for the other one.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

My test is INTENTIONALITY. That is, what in fuck is going on NOW?

A series I post involves a woman married to a man who vanished on a fishing trip in the Bahamas, she dates younger guys, and one of the guys is a son she placed for adoption 25 years ago when she was 16. So its MATURE, INCEST, and LW. But the category for episodes depends on whats going on now.

 

[JackLuis]

I see no reason that chapters of a story series, all have to be in the same category.

Chapt 1 GM
Chapt 2 LW
Chapt 3 Mature?

Why not?

 

[GorgeousGeekGirl]

I recommend Incest. Opinions are fairly divided over how acceptable homosexuality is, but incest is pretty universally reviled. I flamed the hell out of an author (and no, I wasn't anonymous) because he had a multi chapter story of group sex, but the last chapter was getting mom in. Whoa! Big change-ola jackass, warn somebody first!

 

[Darkniciad]

I recommend Incest. Opinions are fairly divided over how acceptable homosexuality is, but incest is pretty universally reviled. I flamed the hell out of an author (and no, I wasn't anonymous) because he had a multi chapter story of group sex, but the last chapter was getting mom in. Whoa! Big change-ola jackass, warn somebody first!

Universally reviled? LOL

Have you perhaps looked at what category gets more reads and votes than anything else on the site by orders of magnitude?

I constantly get requests on stories where some family member is a supporting cast member to bring them in on the action. And lots of them.

Granted, it is a major squick for those who don't venture into the category and something that mixes poorly with most other categories, but "universally reviled" is about as far from the truth as something could possibly be.

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As much as I don't like to recommend jumping categories in a chaptered story, that's the best way to go about this. Keep the incest content contained to a single chapter, put it there, and then categorize the other chapters appropriately.

Actually, the best way to go about it is not to mix diverse squick elements in the first place. Every time you bring in a new, edgy kink, you're going to lose a significant portion of your readership who cringe upon discovering where the story is going.

If you continue to jump from one kink to the next, you're never going to hold more than a minimal audience. You may bring on new readers for the chapter with the kink, but they'll fall away as soon as you move on. Very few people will stick with a story that's constantly crossing lines that way.

This is a categorized site. The readers are accustomed to stories that stick to a major theme, and don't like a lot of sexual surprises.

 

[Seanathon]

I read TX Tall Tales well-written Trump Categories article but still had a question.

If a story has two fictional siblings (i.e. Luke and Leia from Star Wars) having sex would it go in Celebrities (with an incest warning) or Incest?


Thanks for any input!

 

[patientlee]

I read TX Tall Tales well-written Trump Categories article but still had a question.

If a story has two fictional siblings (i.e. Luke and Leia from Star Wars) having sex would it go in Celebrities (with an incest warning) or Incest?


Thanks for any input!

I think it has to Celebrities. I don't know for sure though.

 

[Tx Tall Tales]

I read TX Tall Tales well-written Trump Categories article but still had a question.

If a story has two fictional siblings (i.e. Luke and Leia from Star Wars) having sex would it go in Celebrities (with an incest warning) or Incest?


Thanks for any input!

Celebrities.

There's an excellent example in the celebrities category called Falling For Brooklyn about Brooklyn Decker and her brother. All celebrity stories, real or fictional go in the celebrities category, so they can get the needed legal disclaimer, no matter what the activity. An incest tag and warning would probably be a good idea.

(Thanks for the read)

 

[StrangeLife]

I have a much simpler way of selecting the category. If the marriage is an integral part of the plot the story goes in loving wives. If not, it goes in the category that is most central to the plot. So for me the question would be, is the marriage more important than the incest or vice versa?


To use myself as an example, Lost In The Wind would fit nicely in Erotic Horror but the marriage is an integral part of the characters so it ended up in Loving Wives instead, despite the body count. On the other hand the marriage was unimportant in Nemesis which was therefore placed in Erotic Horror. I also have a couple of fetish tales and even an interracial story in Loving Wives for the same reason - they are about married couples and the stories wouldn't work without the marriage.

But then again, I don't really give a flying about my scores and I have no problem sifting through nasty comments in search of the constructive criticism. If you're in it for the stars, I will definitely not recommend this method of selection.

 

[lovecraft68]

So I'm just about ready to post a continuation to a story which technically should be a LW tale (which I'd like to avoid, my flame-proof suit is at the cleaners) however in the story is one scene of Incest (between a Brother & Sister), so is that enough to post it in 'Incest/Taboo'? Or am I better-off posting in LW and taking my chances with the infamous 'Anonymous' comments?

Go with incest. You will get flamed less.

For the most part if you give that crowd their "fix" they are not too harsh(minus the trolls that run up and down the stories telling you how sick you are)

But the LW crowd is the most vicious on the best of days. Give them incest? They'll flame you like there is no tomorrow.

 

[NightyKnight]

Interesting

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[sr71plt]

This is a very interesting thread, because like many others, I'm never sure what category to use either.

My first story was clearly Incest/Taboo but also featured mild BDSM (or mild to me anyway)

I'd think Incest/taboo would trump in this case--and that Laurel would put it in Incest even if you didn't.

 

[carlieplum]

Universally reviled? LOL

Have you perhaps looked at what category gets more reads and votes than anything else on the site by orders of magnitude?

I constantly get requests on stories where some family member is a supporting cast member to bring them in on the action. And lots of them.

Granted, it is a major squick for those who don't venture into the category and something that mixes poorly with most other categories, but "universally reviled" is about as far from the truth as something could possibly be.

What about a story about a guy getting involved with his father's new trophy wife. If a person didn't want it in incest, would it go in incest anyway?