China virus - OMG, it's as bad as the flu!

[OldJourno]

A curious thing happened on October 2. In fact, it was so curious, America's mainstream media completely ignored it. That's the day Dr. Mike Ryan, director of the World Health Organization's health emergencies program, stated that an estimated 750 million, or 10% of the world's population, had contracted coronavirus. Furthermore, according to the WHO's website, approximately one million people have died. Thus, according the WHO's own data, the mortality rate for coronavirus is 0.13%.
If that rate seems familiar, maybe it's because it's the exact same mortally rate as the seasonal flu, according to data from the CDC — and for decades, America and the rest of world have approached the flu exactly as Thomas Sowell has described. Some people get flu shots, most stay home when they're sick, and tens of thousands of the most vulnerable pay the ultimate price, even as the world soldiers on around them.

C&P from The Patriot Post
Data from the World Health Organization

 

[Fuzzy1975]

A curious thing happened on October 2. In fact, it was so curious, America's mainstream media completely ignored it. That's the day Dr. Mike Ryan, director of the World Health Organization's health emergencies program, stated that an estimated 750 million, or 10% of the world's population, had contracted coronavirus. Furthermore, according to the WHO's website, approximately one million people have died. Thus, according the WHO's own data, the mortality rate for coronavirus is 0.13%.
If that rate seems familiar, maybe it's because it's the exact same mortally rate as the seasonal flu, according to data from the CDC — and for decades, America and the rest of world have approached the flu exactly as Thomas Sowell has described. Some people get flu shots, most stay home when they're sick, and tens of thousands of the most vulnerable pay the ultimate price, even as the world soldiers on around them.

C&P from The Patriot Post
Data from the World Health Organization

So I go where to get my COVID-19 Vaccine>?

 

[Conager]

Excellent point. These are the numbers without the benefit of a SarsCov2 vaccine and the are on par with influenza numbers with the benefit of a vaccine.

I think we can all celebrate this great news about the low mortality rate for Covid19 brought to us by the OP and amplified by Fuzzy without this devolving into fear-mongering or petty, partisan bickering. Less potential for dying is a great thing!

As Fuzzy points out, if we can get an even partially effective vaccine and quell the concerns of anti-science, anti-vaxxers the mortality rate for SarsCov2 should drop below the seasonal flu.

 

[Comshaw]

With respect to your subject, since I don't live in or visit other parts of the world (now anyway) let's talk about just the US for a bit shall we?

According to the CDC as of October 12th the Corvid-19 infections in the US number 7,740,934 and deaths are at 214,108 which works out to 2.7%.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesinlast7days

Also according to the CDC for the 2018 Influenza season estimates, infections numbered 45,000,000 and deaths numbered 95,000 which works out to .2%

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Now would you like to try to tweak some other numbers to provide proof for your erroneous, unfounded claim?



Comshaw

 

[Conager]

Other than our obesity rates, why would the virus care about geopolitical lines on a map? If you are going to pick a region, why not the greater NYC/NJ area? Those numbers are not at all representative of the US at large and greatly skew the US numbers all be themselves.

Bear in mind that you are quoting the PIC number which stands for Pneumonia, Influenza, and Covid. It includes the influenza cases. With regards to the Covid component, it includes presumptive cases as well as deaths with Covid as opposed to deaths from Covid.

Excess or missing deaths should sort that out, eventually since you can only count the bodies once.

The worldwide figures are likely compromised in various directions in different places but the large sample should be the more reliable because you are dealing with multiple approaches to accounting for the impact and it should average our

 

[DeluxAuto]

Excellent point. These are the numbers without the benefit of a SarsCov2 vaccine and the are on par with influenza numbers with the benefit of a vaccine.

I think we can all celebrate this great news about the low mortality rate for Covid19 brought to us by the OP and amplified by Fuzzy without this devolving into fear-mongering or petty, partisan bickering. Less potential for dying is a great thing!

As Fuzzy points out, if we can get an even partially effective vaccine and quell the concerns of anti-science, anti-vaxxers the mortality rate for SarsCov2 should drop below the seasonal flu.

It's the 3rd leading killer in America, Connie. Your bullshit is disproven and dismissed.

 

[islandman]

A curious thing happened on October 2. In fact, it was so curious, America's mainstream media completely ignored it. That's the day Dr. Mike Ryan, director of the World Health Organization's health emergencies program, stated that an estimated 750 million, or 10% of the world's population, had contracted coronavirus. Furthermore, according to the WHO's website, approximately one million people have died. Thus, according the WHO's own data, the mortality rate for coronavirus is 0.13%.
If that rate seems familiar, maybe it's because it's the exact same mortally rate as the seasonal flu, according to data from the CDC — and for decades, America and the rest of world have approached the flu exactly as Thomas Sowell has described. Some people get flu shots, most stay home when they're sick, and tens of thousands of the most vulnerable pay the ultimate price, even as the world soldiers on around them.

C&P from The Patriot Post
Data from the World Health Organization

You're comparing the mortality rate of a NEW virus that has only infected 10% of the global populace to date and for which humanity has no active immune response............

.....to the flu for which people have generations of immunological imprinting across broadly all of humanity?


Too funny.

 

[Conager]

You're comparing the mortality rate of a NEW virus that has only infected 10% of the global populace to date and for which humanity has no active immune response............

.....to the flu for which people have generations of immunological imprinting across broadly all of humanity?


Too funny.

. . .and yet, that's the best this virus has managed to do given the apparent advantage it should have. Which is the point.

Farr's law says we can't expect it to find carriers and victims easier going forward because the available pool of each shrinks as it finds the most likely entry points first and has to work with increasingly less receptive hosts and more resilient patients.

You also are conflating the 10% of actual cases of Covid19 that the SarsCov2 virus has caused with the number of people exposed to the virus which is obviously much, much higher than one out of ten. T-cell responses are running 30% which means either people had a mild, asymptomatic infection of the current thinking goes, tger is some degree of cross-immunity from earliest Sars and other Coronaviruses including those responsible for the common cold. This Coronavirus is novel, the class is not. It did not evolve in a vacuum.

 

[jaF0]

It's hilarious when people play with numbers and only prove that numbers can prove any point the user wants them to.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Arnold Ahlert lives in South Florida with his wife and his cat Ziggy. Ziggy is a political analyst who often dismisses the Millennial generation’s gargantuan level of self involvement with a single word.

 

[Comshaw]

Other than our obesity rates, why would the virus care about geopolitical lines on a map? If you are going to pick a region, why not the greater NYC/NJ area? Those numbers are not at all representative of the US at large and greatly skew the US numbers all be themselves.

Bear in mind that you are quoting the PIC number which stands for Pneumonia, Influenza, and Covid. It includes the influenza cases. With regards to the Covid component, it includes presumptive cases as well as deaths with Covid as opposed to deaths from Covid.

Excess or missing deaths should sort that out, eventually since you can only count the bodies once.

The worldwide figures are likely compromised in various directions in different places but the large sample should be the more reliable because you are dealing with multiple approaches to accounting for the impact and it should average our

AS I SAID, I don't live in or visit other parts of the world. What happens there is of interest but does not affect me directly. What happens here does. I live in and am a US citizen so the data for the US is of immense and direct interest. . Can you understand that concept?

As always you're trying to nitpick and parse the data to your satisfaction. No where on the Corvid page I supplied does it reference PIC.

And if you wish to use the "larger sample" or world numbers:
Corvid cases world wide: 37,988,339
deaths world wide: 1,084,337
fatality %: 2.8%

It appears the Patriot Post pulled some number out of somebody's colon.

And as far as the rest of your comment, I'm afraid I'll believe the CDC's (and WHO's) data LONG before I consider your opinion as accurate. You want to prove your point? Show me some hard data to refute what I said. If you can't, your post means jack.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/



Comshaw

 

[butters]

plus the op's totally ignoring the long-term serious health issues this novel coronavirus is leaving behind in those who didn't die... even in those who appeared to have mild symptoms only, or the totally asymptomatic.

flu doesn't attack the linings of blood vessels throughout the body, leading to danger of strokes, blod clots, organ failure

don't often hear about someone getting flu and needing a limb amputation or getting blindness as a result.

if ACA is overturned, millions upon millions of americans will not be able to get insurance to cover their 'covid-related' pre-existing conditions.

we have yearly flu vaccines plus millions of years of human adaptation to help us cope with influenza; it's not a novel virus and scientists know an awful lot about the various strains and how various medications/treatments can lessen their impacts.

how many deaths is it going to take before the ignorant statements of people like the op fade away to be replaced by informed posts?

 

[HisArpy]

AS I SAID, I don't live in or visit other parts of the world. What happens there is of interest but does not affect me directly. What happens here does. I live in and am a US citizen so the data for the US is of immense and direct interest. . Can you understand that concept?

As always you're trying to nitpick and parse the data to your satisfaction. No where on the Corvid page I supplied does it reference PIC.

And if you wish to use the "larger sample" or world numbers:
Corvid cases world wide: 37,988,339
deaths world wide: 1,084,337
fatality %: 2.8%

It appears the Patriot Post pulled some number out of somebody's colon.

And as far as the rest of your comment, I'm afraid I'll believe the CDC's (and WHO's) data LONG before I consider your opinion as accurate. You want to prove your point? Show me some hard data to refute what I said. If you can't, your post means jack.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/



Comshaw

WHO exactly is "nitpicking" here when you attempt to disassociate the data "because you don't live in or visit" the rest of the planet?

 

[HisArpy]

plus the op's totally ignoring the long-term serious health issues this novel coronavirus is leaving behind in those who didn't die... even in those who appeared to have mild symptoms only, or the totally asymptomatic.

flu doesn't attack the linings of blood vessels throughout the body, leading to danger of strokes, blod clots, organ failure

don't often hear about someone getting flu and needing a limb amputation or getting blindness as a result.

if ACA is overturned, millions upon millions of americans will not be able to get insurance to cover their 'covid-related' pre-existing conditions.

we have yearly flu vaccines plus millions of years of human adaptation to help us cope with influenza; it's not a novel virus and scientists know an awful lot about the various strains and how various medications/treatments can lessen their impacts.

how many deaths is it going to take before the ignorant statements of people like the op fade away to be replaced by informed posts?

Poor baby, already crying over the loss of insurance before it happens without any proof that it's going to happen.

Worst "what if" scenario I ever read.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Poor baby, already crying over the loss of insurance before it happens without any proof that it's going to happen.

Worst "what if" scenario I ever read.

*chuckles*

Second Amendment....there are four letters that usually follow a post like this, .but for shits n giggiles I changed em up, but I am sure Mr Big City Lawyer can figure it out. ARDY

 

[HisArpy]

*chuckles*

Second Amendment....there are four letters that usually follow a post like this, .but for shits n giggiles I changed em up, but I am sure Mr Big City Lawyer can figure it out. ARDY

Yeah, if that's all you got, quit while you got nothing. It's better than getting a hole for yourself.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yeah, if that's all you got, quit while you got nothing. It's better than getting a hole for yourself.

Well, you should know....

 

[silver gurl]

One word

kar·ma
/ˈkärmə/
noun
(in Hinduism and Buddhism) the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences.
INFORMAL
destiny or fate, following as effect from cause.

 

[Comshaw]

WHO exactly is "nitpicking" here when you attempt to disassociate the data "because you don't live in or visit" the rest of the planet?

Who is trying to do what? Damn man, you can spin anything can't you? Reread my post and explanation any TRY to understand what I said. Additionally, I addressed the original claim in my second post and blew it out ofthe water. Perhaps a bit of self education would help your comprehension probelm.

Comshaw

 

[Curmudgeonly]

Sounds like good news to me.

Why does it not seem like that. . .to everyone?

 

[Comshaw]

Sounds like good news to me.

Why does it not seem like that. . .to everyone?

BBecause good news is good news, if it's factual and true. Trying to foist bullshit off as such ain't. It's the intellectual equivalent of the Coyote Syndrome.



Comshaw

 

[bodysong]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

This- chewing it off, to escape

Kind of sad, that Trump loyalists chewed off attachment to the truth, facts, reality, and science,
instead.

 

[HisArpy]

Who is trying to do what? Damn man, you can spin anything can't you? Reread my post and explanation any TRY to understand what I said. Additionally, I addressed the original claim in my second post and blew it out ofthe water. Perhaps a bit of self education would help your comprehension probelm.

Comshaw

dudly, you can't claim someone else is "nitpicking" and "parsing" when YOU'RE THE ONE DOING IT. Especially after you admit it.


It really is like you're goddam stupid or something.

 

[OldJourno]

More China virus common sense

More than 32,000 medical doctors and health scientists from around the world have signed a petition against lockdowns put in place to curb the spread of COVID-19, saying the measures are causing “irreparable damage.”

The declaration says lockdowns result in worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings, lower childhood vaccination rates, and deteriorating mental health, to name a few issues, all of which will lead to high mortality rates in the years to come. “Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice,” the doctors write.

Instead of shutting everything down until a vaccine is available, the doctors say focus should be on minimizing mortality and social harm until herd immunity is reached. Herd immunity refers to when a population becomes immune to an infectious disease, which the doctors say will eventually be reached for all populations, and can be assisted by, but not dependent upon, a vaccine.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/over-...dium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-10-13-2

 

[silver gurl]

We are on lockdown 2 (partial)

The major hotels downtown have not opened since March.
Downtown is a ghost town

All restaurants and bars are closed for a second time. A city that has 8,000 restaurants, a majority will stay closed.

Hudson’s Bay (Canada’s department store) announced today that they are not paying their rent to major mall owners (Restricted hours. They are only opened noon to 5)

The largest gym in the area, closed permanently only giving a couple hours notice: to get your stuff out.

And that is just the tip of things to come.