China shipping Arms, are you concerned?

[unusuallyconfused]

China secretly shipping Cuba arms
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



China is shipping arms and explosives to Cuba in a sign of increased military cooperation between Beijing and Havana, The Washington Times has learned.


At least three arms shipments were traced from China to the Cuban port of Mariel over the past several months. All the arms were aboard vessels belonging to the state-owned China Ocean Shipping Co. (Cosco), according to U.S. intelligence officials.
Intelligence officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity said details of the arms shipments are sketchy but all involved a "known Chinese arms dealer" who arranged the transfers.
One of the cargoes was described as dual-use explosives and detonation cord. The explosives were said to be "military-grade" material

Much more on cuba....

http://www.thenewamerican.com/focus/cuba/index.htm




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The cold war was scary but this is I believe the greatest unseen threat in history. I would be very curious to hear what you think about China........They tried, no they were successful at getting nuclear secrets, they do not value human rights, they are increasing their military just by sheer population, targeting males for their offspring choice and selling arms to anti-american countries.

 

[Nogard]

Shrub and his cronies are aware of the sitiuation. They are not worried and anyhow they don't want to make China mad. If the shrub isn't worried, I'm not worried.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

China has steadily become.....

the number one concern regarding US security and in fact - global security.

Currently they stand as the US's number one enemy. All those of you who think that the problems in the Mid-East loom larger - they do "loom larger" - but they aren't the bigger threat to US/global security. Especially in the distant (but not too distant) future.

Ask anyone who knows. They are a huge danger.

China blows.

 

[lavender]

 

[Problem Child]

China does blow.

They run over protesters with tanks. That blows.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Just cause I said China blows.

Doesn't mean I'm politically incorrect.

How can I be - I'm a political.

Hell, I'm politically neutral.

You know I know there are no good guys or bad guys - only differing agendas sponsered by differing idealist. (All so stupid I might add.)

But - If there were to be good guys and bad guys - I would take the side of the US most of the time and - regarding China and the other "bad guys" you mentioned - I would come down on the side of the US.

Look - they all want a piece of the pie - and I'm not for starving them. But - I'm here - now. And if they might want to "take it away" via some deviant means - well let them try - but I will hope and cheer - for their failure.

 

[bluntforcemama]

Ah, the familiar smell of inevitablity.

 

[rambling man]

China is a paper tiger

They have a hopelessly corrupt society going back to the Imperial days.

People make a lot of their economic growth, 6% to our 2 1/2 % They do not mention 6% of a small amount can be much less in real numbers than 2 1/2% of a very large amount

Cuba is buying Chinese arms...as long as they are not nuclear I will sleep well (probably because I live out of range of their missiles) Cuba knows that if they fire one missile at us, they are through, Castro will be gone and Cuba will become the 51st state figuratively if not literally (because their leaders will be those rich Cubans in Miami who have been here since 1959.)

If China attacked Taiwan they would get massacred. Remember our losses in the Battle of Okinawa? Taiwan has had decades to prepare for an invasion against a sub-class military. Plus, the 7th fleet would destroy any Chinese battle formations crossing the straits. Also the Chinese, I believe , will restrain their military actions. The last thing they want is to provoke Japan into rearming. Any war they provoke would see it ranged against the US, Japan, South Korea, and most likely (and surprisingly to many) the People's Republic of Vietnam who despises China. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

However, we need to stop picking on the Chinese for their internal policies. No free people has ever become free without a struggle. When the Chinese are ready for freedom, they will free themselves from their oppressive yoke that is now much more fascist than Communist. They also have a point about western meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations.

 

[Texan]

rambling man

I don't always agree with you, but I think you are "right on" in that post.

I also strongly agree with lavender that the real danger in the region is between Pakistan and India. Those countries have an unnatural fear and hatred of each other. I don't think North Korea is a danger unless they get into a conflict with China.

Predicting the future in that region is about as easy as "picking the fly shit out of the pepper".

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Only if they have elbows and hands attached to'em.

 

[unusuallyconfused]

I'll comment more on this article later. I don't have time to go into a China diatribe right now. But unusually confused, there were some very good threads about China when I first came on to the board.

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=28495&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Thanks, I'll read up. I can use a little more information in this big fat head of mine.

 

[unusuallyconfused]

Only if they have elbows and hands attached to'em.

lmao, that is way too funny.

 

[Expertise]

Re: rambling man

I don't always agree with you, but I think you are "right on" in that post.

I also strongly agree with lavender that the real danger in the region is between Pakistan and India. Those countries have an unnatural fear and hatred of each other. I don't think North Korea is a danger unless they get into a conflict with China.

Predicting the future in that region is about as easy as "picking the fly shit out of the pepper".

Tex you're gonna' start thinking I like to pick on you.... not true. Your quote was just more convenient.

The real danger of India vs. Pakistan is to each other. Huge and important to the sub-continet for sure but it pales in comparison to threat/danger posed by China.

China IS expansionist. It is a political and cultural neccesity to them. This expansionism (not to mention the nuclear threat) is a far greater threat to what the US would deem "vital interests" than any that India/Pakistan would pose.

US interests in the Pacific Rim are far more vital to US security and infinitely more likely to recieve military aid and intervention. As mentioned earlier Taiwan is relatively safe (for now) because the Chinese possess limited ability for amphib assault and any attempt to isolate or invade the island via a projection of naval power would be crushed by US naval might. However their capability to "project power" overland is growing and improving. It would not surprise me to see them make a play for far eastern Russia (Siberia, Kamchatka, Vladivostok) or the Caspian Basin and its untapped petroleum wealth within the near term.

There corrupt and communist and in a lot of ways technologically challenged but there sure is a lot of them and since the Gulf War they have instituted programs to greatly modernize their military to better "defend" againt aggressors (read as USA).

As far as arms shipments to Cuba..... until they start parking IRBM's there don't sweat it.

 

[rambling man]

An India /Pakistan conflict is much more dangerous than you think. What would a moderate scale nuclear exchange do to the environment of the region, if not the world? No one has any clue what could happen if, say 15-20 nuclear bombs exploded at once. True, Kruschev once exploded a bomb that could have destroyed the state of Maryland on its own, but I don't want to go and see what that kind of radiation and fallout could do, not only to Asia, but to the US as well. I think China's leadership is paranoid at times but not stupid enough to go and start nuclear war.

 

[Expertise]

But India or Pakistans is???????

An India /Pakistan conflict is much more dangerous than you think. What would a moderate scale nuclear exchange do to the environment of the region, if not the world? No one has any clue what could happen if, say 15-20 nuclear bombs exploded at once. True, Kruschev once exploded a bomb that could have destroyed the state of Maryland on its own, but I don't want to go and see what that kind of radiation and fallout could do, not only to Asia, but to the US as well. I think China's leadership is paranoid at times but not stupid enough to go and start nuclear war.

Curious world view me thinks.

I wasn't talking about the likelyhood of nuclear war either on the sub-continent or with China. A nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan virtually ensures the demise of both nations, and anybody immediately "downwind". It would, however, be highly unlikely to involve "the world" directly.

Chinese expansionism coupled with a reequipped and revitalized PLA (Peoples Liberation Army), a burning need for space and resources, resulting in an incurssion/invasion would.

Ind/Pak is volatile particularly since the Pakistanies lack sufficient early warning gear that might incite them to launch a pre-emptive first strike should, for example, the situation in Kashmir get too hot. The old use it or lose it mentality. However, It would not directly involve the west "in conflict" whereas with the Chinese it is more a question of when, not if.