China proposes tech alliance with India

[Le Jacquelope]

I told you neo cons this would happen.
Kiss your American tech superiority goodbye.

China, India: Rule Global Tech?

Associated Press

10:34 AM Apr. 10, 2005 PT

BANGALORE, India -- China and India should work together to dominate the world's tech industry, bringing together Chinese hardware with Indian software, China's prime minister said Sunday.

On a visit to India's southern technology hub of Bangalore, Premier Wen Jiabao said the two nations should put aside their historic rivalries for the venture and welcome a new "Asian century

"Cooperation is just like two pagodas, one hardware and one software," Wen said. "Combined, we can take the leadership position in the world. When the particular day comes, it will signify the coming of the Asian century of the IT industry," he said in an address to information technology professionals in Bangalore.

India has gained global repute as a hub of software professionals while China is strong on computer hardware. Both countries' cheap and plentiful labor has undercut the tech industry in America and other Western countries through outsourcing.

Wen appealed to Indian software companies to set up operations in China to tap the Chinese and global markets. He later met scientists and visited the research facilities at the headquarters of the Indian Space Research Organization in Bangalore.

Last year, China became the first Asian power to launch a man into orbit. India has announced ambitions to send an unmanned craft to the moon.

The two countries have been improving ties despite decades of frosty relations and rivalry. China is also a longtime ally and the main supplier of military hardware to Pakistan -- India's archrival.

"I hope and believe that my visit will inject fresh vigor and vitality into relations," Wen said in a statement distributed to reporters after his arrival.

During talks with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday, the two countries are expected to sign nearly 30 agreements to promote political, economic and cultural ties. China is keen to develop a free trade area with a combined population total of 2 billion, which would make it the largest free trade area in the world. India-China trade reached $13.6 billion in 2004, with India recording a trade surplus of $1.75 billion, Indian Commerce Ministry statistics show.

On other issues, Wen and Singh are expected to discuss the more than 50-year-old border dispute over their 650-mile frontier, parts of which are not demarcated. A border solution is expected during Wen's four-day visit.

Wen is also expected to discuss with Indian authorities the Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, who lives in exile in India, Chinese officials have said. Police attempted to prevent Tibetan activists, who oppose Beijing's rule in the Himalayan territory, from demonstrating against Wen's visit.

While he was inside the building, a Tibetan youth climbed up a tower and remained perched above Wen's car, throwing flyers and waving the Tibetan flag. He shouted "Free Tibet! Wen Jiabao, you cannot suppress the truth!" Five officers climbed up and arrested him.

On Saturday, police detained two Tibetan leaders to prevent them from organizing demonstrations and prevented 50 Tibetan students from leaving their college hostels to protest, a police officer said.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Wow, a lot of people read this but had nothing to say?

 

[Guest]

Yay!.

 

[phrodeau]

A whopping eight views.

I guess that is "a lot" for one of LT's threads.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

A whopping eight views.

I guess that is "a lot" for one of LT's threads.

People don't like having to deal with the fact that yet another one of my predictions turned out to be right.

That's okay. The US has already become a second rate electronics manufacturer behind Japan, whose consumers now get higher tech stuff on the shelves than we do. You'll be thinking your cell phone is the absolute bomb while the Asians are laughing at your little squawk box as backwater even for their elderly's tastes.

The US has begun its inexorable slide into third world status but just keep your eye glued to Faux News and you'll continue to believe there is nothing out there beyond Jesusland.

 

[Guest]

People don't like having to deal with the fact that yet another one of my predictions turned out to be right.

That's okay. The US has already become a second rate electronics manufacturer behind Japan, whose consumers now get higher tech stuff on the shelves than we do. You'll be thinking your cell phone is the absolute bomb while the Asians are laughing at your little squawk box as backwater even for their elderly's tastes.

The US has begun its inexorable slide into third world status but just keep your eye glued to Faux News and you'll continue to believe there is nothing out there beyond Jesusland.

what!? i can't hear you over the noise.

 

[KRCummings]

The Japanese were the leaders in the tech field once. Anyone seen them lately?
But seriously, who cares? I certainly don't give a shit who leads who in what.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

The Japanese were the leaders in the tech field once. Anyone seen them lately?
But seriously, who cares? I certainly don't give a shit who leads who in what.

It'll matter when your kids find not only the good jobs have left, but also that the US is no longer the primary market for goods.

We'll be a forgotten nation. That can happen inside of 25 years.

Who remembers the USSR?

 

[Guest]

Who remembers the USSR?

I do for one

 

[KRCummings]

It'll matter when your kids find not only the good jobs have left, but also that the US is no longer the primary market for goods.

We'll be a forgotten nation. That can happen inside of 25 years.

Who remembers the USSR?

That would only apply if someone wanted to go into a particular field. There are plenty of good jobs in areas that don't include domestic manufacturing or technology or whatever. Just like your threads about outsourcing and all that, it doesn't apply to everyone. My job can't possibly be taken away by outsourcing or a shift in technological leadership or manufacturing or anything. The same for my husbands job. And we both make pretty damn good money.

 

[Don K Dyck]

I told you neo cons this would happen.
Kiss your American tech superiority goodbye.

Good article LT . . . thanks.

An update from the Oz ABC radio news at 1200 AEST noted that PR China had recognised the "Indian State of Sikkim" that was one of the areas of disputed borders between the two countries. Discussions will occur over the disputed part of Kashmir.

A combined market potential of two billion . . . wow! The end is just around the corner for the neo-feudalists in continental U$A . . . more jobs to be exported from continental U$A . . . less job opportunities for redneck working class Republicans . . .

Gore Vidal was on Oz ABC television last night being interviewed about the state of the American economy . . . his opinion was that under the Shrubya Texas Fundamentalist regime the American economy was doomed to collapse because of the high cost of the occupation of Iraq . . . currently about $us1.5 BILLION PER WEEK . . .

Then bechtel was reported to have overcharged the American Army by a mere $us287 million for catering services in the last audit period . . . nothing like passing American taxpayer funds directly to the Texas Fundamentalist financiers . . .

 

[KRCummings]

Good article LT . . . thanks.

An update from the Oz ABC radio news at 1200 AEST noted that PR China had recognised the "Indian State of Sikkim" that was one of the areas of disputed borders between the two countries. Discussions will occur over the disputed part of Kashmir.

A combined market potential of two billion . . . wow! The end is just around the corner for the neo-feudalists in continental U$A . . . more jobs to be exported from continental U$A . . . less job opportunities for redneck working class Republicans . . .

Gore Vidal was on Oz ABC television last night being interviewed about the state of the American economy . . . his opinion was that under the Shrubya Texas Fundamentalist regime the American economy was doomed to collapse because of the high cost of the occupation of Iraq . . . currently about $us1.5 BILLION PER WEEK . . .

Then bechtel was reported to have overcharged the American Army by a mere $us287 million for catering services in the last audit period . . . nothing like passing American taxpayer funds directly to the Texas Fundamentalist financiers . . .

And we all know that gay writers are experts economists.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

That would only apply if someone wanted to go into a particular field. There are plenty of good jobs in areas that don't include domestic manufacturing or technology or whatever. Just like your threads about outsourcing and all that, it doesn't apply to everyone. My job can't possibly be taken away by outsourcing or a shift in technological leadership or manufacturing or anything. The same for my husbands job. And we both make pretty damn good money.

Without leadership in tech, the US will slip into third world country status. Pay scales across the board - except for people like (maybe) you who have good localized jobs - will decline. They already are declining, except for the wealthy 5%, remove that 5% and you see a dramatic decline. Once the continually rising cost of living exceeds a certain multiple of personal income, credit cards can no longer support the difference.

Also, as the US becomes a secondary (or worse) market for commerce/industry, companies will decide they don't need to even sell here at all. So we'll become the ass end of the world. Investors will pull out. Once that happens everything will collapse all at once: infrastructure and all.

Either way it goes, consumer spending will eventually plummet and you or your employers will go out of business, either directly due to loss of consumer spending or indirectly, as the losses race like fire up the economic food chain to whatever level you claim to be at. Investors will be the last to go but they'll sink the hardest because all their property is on paper and paper is the most flammable property in a hyperinflation situation. See: 1929.

 

[Ham Murabi]

We're doomed. Now there are a billion Chinese out there to man phone centers and advise us when we fuck up our computers.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

We're doomed. Now there are a billion Chinese out there to man phone centers and advise us when we fuck up our computers.

Actually there's going to be a billion Chinese manufacturing the latest bleeding edge computers and software for use in their own country, not ours. Seeing as we outsourced our bleeding edge technology to factories on their soil to begin with, they already have the shoulders of giants from which to leap forth (see: IP theft).

 

[Ham Murabi]

Actually there's going to be a billion Chinese manufacturing the latest bleeding edge computers and software for use in their own country, not ours. Seeing as we outsourced our bleeding edge technology to factories on their soil to begin with, they already have the shoulders of giants from which to leap forth (see: IP theft).

I repeat, we're doomed.
(Unless this is just another "the sky is falling" thread by LT.)

 

[Don K Dyck]

We're doomed. Now there are a billion Chinese out there to man phone centers and advise us when we fuck up our computers.

Uhmmm . . . actually it will be the Indians manning phone centres for computer advice . . . Fauxsmell CEO Rupert Murdoch is investing there now.

(Unless this is just another "the sky is falling" thread by LT.)

I doubt that the sky is falling, but there is a fascinating tax scenario posted on the Postcard from America thread by Owera . . .

Already U$ manufacturing has moved to PR China and other low wage SE Asian countries . . . and more is going every day . . . 3.5 million jobs lost between 2000 and 2004 . . . Shrubya's contribution to the economic development of AmeriKKKan corporations . . .

The concordat between India and PR China has more ramifications for the decline of the U$ than is apparent on this first glimpse of the press release . . .

Maybe the case is just a little overstated, LT . . .

 

[Beco]

The Japanese were the leaders in the tech field once. Anyone seen them lately?
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yeah, I think they are still trying to get out of their 15 year recession........................... fuck china, and fuck India and fuck the fucking Diaz Brothers!!!

 

[DwayneDibley]

Looks like the US is losing it's global lead. Don't worry, us Brits lost our global superpower status a little while back. It takes some getting used to, but it's not really all that bad!

imho a bit of competition in the global superpower stakes will do the world some good, the US has had a bit a of a monopoly for a while now!

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I repeat, we're doomed.
(Unless this is just another "the sky is falling" thread by LT.)

Don't you have some clean burnt coal-filled air to breathe?

 

[Don K Dyck]

Geez, LT . . . sort out your sig line . . . it currently sux!!!

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Geez, LT . . . sort out your sig line . . . it currently sux!!!

It looks like Laurel removed all the HTML tags. Heck, even your sig looks like the <img> tags don't work!