Chernobyl.
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cowslinger64
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Good show.. we watched the final last night. I learned a lot about what happened there and how bad, which I'd never known.
It's not a happy show, though it was well done.
It's not a happy show, though it was well done.
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No joke, the last couple of minutes of the second episode is maybe the eeriest thing I've ever seen on television.
It's about the specific Chernobyl disaster of course, but the greater message is about the danger of elevating loyalty to the system over respecting the evidence that your eyes are showing you. So it's easy to see why it's caught on with audiences in 2019.
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The uneasy feeling of suspense and fear was awesome. Might have to binge.
And you're right about 2019.
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You should go visit there Sean.
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For being a "young", "rich", "business owner", "smokin' hot gf mater", California stud, luke sure does spend an awful lot of time watching the boob tube. 
cleaver
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well done docu-drama.
old school - new school.
the longer format of streaming
allows for silences to speak as a formidable actor...
and the now unnecessary need to craft the format into commercial breakable bites
lets the eerie creep of the disaster
gestate like an irradiated baby - coming as an innocent victim to be.
and yet, drama... dramatic... the story does unfold
for us
in the safety of our barco-loungers;
safe from the indomitable toxic cloud...
that - by some estimates - eventually killed tens of thousands.
it sits - as a parable on political systems and the fortunate
who can watch - up close - with both no consequence and a sense of validating a kind of ... entitlement.
it is telling. in the historical scroll that finishes the show,
that mikhail gorbachev credits the disaster as being the catalyst that brought down the ussr.
the chernobyl type reactor was not the 'western' type(s) - which are... inherently less volatile.
if one comes away from chernobyl - the mini series
swayed against nuclear power generation,
the greater/finer points of the story told
will have been missed.
it is not a story of the dangers of nuclear power generation per se,
but rather the story of how hubris, and unyielding politics
cannot fool the complicated tenets in the dangerous science of a dragon's tail.
engaging, educating - and yes - quite spooky show.
old school - new school.
the longer format of streaming
allows for silences to speak as a formidable actor...
and the now unnecessary need to craft the format into commercial breakable bites
lets the eerie creep of the disaster
gestate like an irradiated baby - coming as an innocent victim to be.
and yet, drama... dramatic... the story does unfold
for us
in the safety of our barco-loungers;
safe from the indomitable toxic cloud...
that - by some estimates - eventually killed tens of thousands.
it sits - as a parable on political systems and the fortunate
who can watch - up close - with both no consequence and a sense of validating a kind of ... entitlement.
it is telling. in the historical scroll that finishes the show,
that mikhail gorbachev credits the disaster as being the catalyst that brought down the ussr.
the chernobyl type reactor was not the 'western' type(s) - which are... inherently less volatile.
if one comes away from chernobyl - the mini series
swayed against nuclear power generation,
the greater/finer points of the story told
will have been missed.
it is not a story of the dangers of nuclear power generation per se,
but rather the story of how hubris, and unyielding politics
cannot fool the complicated tenets in the dangerous science of a dragon's tail.
engaging, educating - and yes - quite spooky show.
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Wanna know what caused the failure?
The committee of communist who built it.
The committee of communist who built it.
Luk
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Thanks, Lisbumb.
von_Bismarck
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Sold. Chernobyl is next on my Que. I mean, queue.
cleaver
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watch it through... i finished it during my lunch break today...
it hangs like a mildewed shirt on me...
our tmi (3 mile isle) was blessed by being subject to a copious and free press...
the cloak of hubris could not establish
as it did at chernobyl...
and the instituted stopgaps not present there, were... here.
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It's fucking dark. There's not a single fucking laugh so far. It makes you believe that the sun has never risen there.
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Fair enough. I wasn't even a teen when it happened (chernobyl) so unfortunately any knowledge is from 3 episodes of this show and whatever was in the papers. What I love now, is that I'm going to consume info and backtrack the players.
I remember 3 Mile being a "meh" event on our side of the country.
InsightRiot
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Not gonna lie, it is scary good.
Yaay, science!
Yaay, science!
cleaver
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the core melted...
that's pretty major...
and could have been catastrophic...
but that type of reactor had not only a containment dome,
but also contingencies inherent to... address such an event...
that fuck up could, with some venting of radioactive gasses ( a rather catastrophic event of itself) be stalled and contained...
we scienced it, fortunately.
a still scary counterpoint to chernobyl.
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I can no longer laugh at the 3 eyed fish on the Simpsons.
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Got to admit I haven't seen it I don't watch pay TV. By all accounts, it's outstanding which is only to be expected as it stars Emily Watson. Anything that brings the dangers of Nuclear fission back to the fore is a good thing.
Chernobyl showed us great heroism and great hypocrisy. Let no one kid you that the firefighters and rescue people didn't know what the risks were. They knew exactly what would happen to them but they also knew what would happen to everyone around them if they didn't fight the fires. In the words of Mr Spock "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
The hypocrisy came from Margaret Thatcher condemning the Russians for keeping it quiet for three days. Britain had a similar fire at Windscale, in the sixties. we kept it quiet for thirty years. The Russians knew, of course, which is why they came to us for advice on fighting the fire.
Chernobyl had some positives though. It showed up the stupidity of Al Haig's statement "A nuclear war, limited to Europe, is a winnable proposition." Chernobyl showed that Neville Shute (On The Beach) knew more about nuclear fall out than Al Haig. The fallout travelled over such a wide area it showed that it wasn't possible to limit a nuclear war to one continent.
I bet the Donald doesn't watch it.
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Interesting. It's the first time that I've heard about the Windscale disaster.
They managed to cover it up probably because technology was less advanced in those days. Radiation from the Chernobyl disaster was picked up by workers at Forsmark, Sweden, who then alerted Europe.
Fukushima: apparently the Japanese govt. isn't allowing doctors to make explicit links between the disaster and new cases of cancer (other than thyroid), birth defects.
Also the depleted uranium bombs dropped by Americans in the Balkans and Syria.
They all tried to minimize their botch ups.
But what made Gorbachev's attitude particularly criminal/or incompetent was that the cover-up happened during the first days.
With the wind spreading radiation across neighboring cities or countries, maybe ??? if kids would have skipped school and stayed indoors during the first days..
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For being a "young", "rich", "business owner", "smokin' hot gf mater", California stud, luke sure does spend an awful lot of time watching the boob tube.
Copy that.
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But, but, but...nuclear energy!
A lot of fans on here, check out the climate change thread. Even some decrying it in this thread while hypocritically supporting it in others. *snickers*
And I'm the idiot? Where are the nuclear energy supporters now? Bunch of fucking goofs.
A lot of fans on here, check out the climate change thread. Even some decrying it in this thread while hypocritically supporting it in others. *snickers*
And I'm the idiot? Where are the nuclear energy supporters now? Bunch of fucking goofs.
