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Sonny Limatina

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Here's the deal.

Not to start with self-congratulation, but I have always said that I figured the Karen Kraft character was a composite ID of some sort. I won't post the instances, but they're around. I have a good ear; there was something off about her. At any rate, I'm certainly not the first one or the only one who noticed.

I have found her gleeful invocation of Rob's kids reprehensible, and generally find her posting style grating.

As a result, except for occasional posts in "Who Is This Person" threads, I have mostly ignored her.

She has tried to reach out to me a few times. When I haven't responded, she's pouted and put me on iggy.

Recently, she began trying again. Making jokes, winks, kisses and lofty, overwritten, incorrect historical posts in response to things I've said. I remembered that among the things she's claimed, being an editor was one of them. Reading her responses, I thought, "Well, one thing I know: This is no editor."

I have avs, signatures, and images off. I clicked through to her profile and saw that she had a link to some Smashwords books in her sig. One was a book with one author and three editors. That struck me as odd. That's not how it usually works.

I click through to all the other names. The author has web presence, the other two editors have web presence, Karen doesn't. OK, so it's a pseudonym, duh, we all know that.

Click author's profile. There are links to IMDB and Facebook. There on IMDB was a picture of author with Karen Kraft. What the. OK, got it, that's Karen, then, and sure enough, she's a friend of the author.

Click through to his Facebook page, which turns out to be public, and there's the same picture. This time, it's tagged. The woman is Natasha Melnicck, and the photo is a still from a movie set. Google Natasha, and there are lots of pictures of Karen. Click on videos of her, and there is Karen/Natasha talking about her new movie.

I read Ken's bio, do a little more Googling, and discover that his bio, hobbies, locations, writing style/idiosyncracies and even the timing of his book all match Karen. There's the tomato garden. There's the study abroad. There's Las Vegas and So Cal. There are some sons, one of whose names matches the one people have tossed about as KK in the past. The Baylor thing explains the Austin posts.

There is Ken writing a legal article about intra-family statutory rape. Karen came to lit writing about being sexually abused by mom and dad.

The only missing element is the twins, which turns out to be the plot of his self-published book: two young twin sisters save humanity, when--by the way--the age of consent is lowered so we can begin legally fucking girls sooner.

Again, not to horn-toot, but my prevailing theory about Karen was that it was a middle-aged lawyer with an unhealthy relationship with his daughter, and that he was posting her without consent. At one point I thought, Wait, if that's right, those young-girl threads are really fucking creepy. Then I just stopped noticing them and forgot.

I suddenly ealized how many atrocities the character was perpetrating, if he was in fact the middle-aged male. Outing people’s kids, preying on young, cute women, asking for personal addresses.

I am not the alt-outing type. I strongly considered just keeping the knowledge in my pocket. I actually don’t care who is who online, since that’s why people come online. I also often ask people in PMs what they do, who they are. I have revealed who I am to people. I have something to lose myself, and would not want to be outed.

As I was reading Karen’s old posts, I came across something about her dad fucking her or something of the like, and became sufficiently skeeved out by the aggregate that I decided, fuck it. Let him grow some balls and cop to who he is. If he outs me in return, at least my storyline matches reality and isn’t borderline-predator.

I had pictures of Ken’s tomato garden and the matching basil-and-mozzarella posts--and, of course, I knew by then he was her. But I could still think of ways to explain it away, if someone wanted to. I figured, there’s no way to explain away how Karen’s garden can be Ken’s garden if he’s not her. So I made my garden thread.

She didn’t post in it. So I baited her. I posted in the Slender Angels thread, saying that if it turned out she was a fat old man, the thread would seem creepy.

Bait worked: she PMd me asking that I change it, explaining how hard it would be for her if I didn’t, and sending a naked picture of Natasha Melnicck to prove she was a female.

I said, post in my Post Your Garden thread and I’ll consider it.

She did. It was the same garden.

Karen was Ken, and the rest is Litstory.

In the meantime, Karen went into major melt-down/attack mode, made some Sonny vanity threads and the like. I considered putting off the “out,” so no one would think it was retaliation, but then I realized, this isn’t curing breast cancer or killing Bin Laden, this is being a pest on a website, just post the stuff and move on.

So I did.

Please do not worry, if you’ve given me personal information, that I will share it. I never will. Karen gave me none of the information I posted, except on the board. It was all clicks through from her signature page to public pages, and posted only because of the skeeve/predator factor. I have started being more open (in PM) about who I am, partially as collateral so I can ask others who they are. As I said, I have a good ear: I like to hear/know people’s stories.

That’s it. QED and Cognito Virgo Drum and all that.

Love,
Sonny

P.S. AIDS!
 
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You could have tried to time it for late summer in order to break up the morass of election threads.
 
Whoa~ You ARE good!

I thought there was something strange about you posting a garden thread. Now I feel like an idiot showing you my potatoes...
 
Fella I believe you.

I am not really up on the Lit dramas and usually rely on a PM or two of people to fill me in.

From my 1st month on the GB this KK persona was the very 1st to jump out glaringly as total fabrication to me. I also suspected this KK of being a male.

The picture thread had always made me uneasy and I do not look in it. The pictures are designed to represent prepubescent young girls and creeped me out.

Good job.
 
Whoa~ You ARE good!

I thought there was something strange about you posting a garden thread. Now I feel like an idiot showing you my potatoes...

LOL!

I thought the same thing. I briefly looked out at my yard and considered taking a pic.....but thought it WAS kinda strange and nobody would give a fuck anyway.
 
Here's the deal.

Not to start with self-congratulation, but I have always said that I figured the Karen Kraft character was a composite ID of some sort. I won't post the instances, but they're around. I have a good ear; there was something off about her. At any rate, I'm certainly not the first one or the only one who noticed.

I have found her gleeful invocation of Rob's kids reprehensible, and generally find her posting style grating.

As a result, except for occasional posts in "Who Is This Person" threads, I have mostly ignored her.

She has tried to reach out to me a few times. When I haven't responded, she's pouted and put me on iggy.

Recently, she began trying again. Making jokes, winks, kisses and lofty, overwritten, incorrect historical posts in response to things I've said. I remembered that among the things she's claimed, being an editor was one of them. Reading her responses, I thought, "Well, one thing I know: This is no editor."

I have avs, signatures, and images off. I clicked through to her profile and saw that she had a link to some Smashwords books in her sig. One was a book with one author and three editors. That struck me as odd. That's not how it usually works.

I click through to all the other names. The author has web presence, the other two editors have web presence, Karen doesn't. OK, so it's a pseudonym, duh, we all know that.

Click author's profile. There are links to IMDB and Facebook. There on IMDB was a picture of author with Karen Kraft. What the. OK, got it, that's Karen, then, and sure enough, she's a friend of the author.

Click through to his Facebook page, which turns out to be public, and there's the same picture. This time, it's tagged. The woman is Natasha Melnicck, and the photo is a still from a movie set. Google Natasha, and there are lots of pictures of Karen. Click on videos of her, and there is Karen/Natasha talking about her new movie.

I read Ken's bio, do a little more Googling, and discover that his bio, hobbies, locations, writing style/idiosyncracies and even the timing of his book all match Karen. There's the tomato garden. There's the study abroad. There's Las Vegas and So Cal. There are some sons, one of whose names matches the one people have tossed about as KK in the past. The Baylor thing explains the Austin posts.

There is Ken writing a legal article about intra-family statutory rape. Karen came to lit writing about being sexually abused by mom and dad.

The only missing element is the twins, which turns out to be the plot of his self-published book: two young twin sisters save humanity, when--by the way--the age of consent is lowered so we can begin legally fucking girls sooner.

Again, not to horn-toot, but my prevailing theory about Karen was that it was a middle-aged lawyer with an unhealthy relationship with his daughter, and that he was posting her without consent. At one point I thought, Wait, if that's right, those young-girl threads are really fucking creepy. Then I just stopped noticing them and forgot.

I suddenly ealized how many atrocities the character was perpetrating, if he was in fact the middle-aged male. Outing people’s kids, preying on young, cute women, asking for personal addresses.

I am not the alt-outing type. I strongly considered just keeping the knowledge in my pocket. I actually don’t care who is who online, since that’s why people come online. I also often ask people in PMs what they do, who they are. I have revealed who I am to people. I have something to lose myself, and would not want to be outed.

As I was reading Karen’s old posts, I came across something about her dad fucking her or something of the like, and became sufficiently skeeved out by the aggregate that I decided, fuck it. Let him grow some balls and cop to who he is. If he outs me in return, at least my storyline matches reality and isn’t borderline-predator.

I had pictures of Ken’s tomato garden and the matching basil-and-mozzarella posts--and, of course, I knew by then he was her. But I could still think of ways to explain it away, if someone wanted to. I figured, there’s no way to explain away how Karen’s garden can be Ken’s garden if he’s not her. So I made my garden thread.

She didn’t post in it. So I baited her. I posted in the Slender Angels thread, saying that if it turned out she was a fat old man, the thread would seem creepy.

Bait worked: she PMd me asking that I change it, explaining how hard it would be for her if I didn’t, and sending a naked picture of Natasha Melnicck to prove she was a female.

I said, post in my Post Your Garden thread and I’ll consider it.

She did. It was the same garden.

Karen was Ken, and the rest is Litstory.

In the meantime, Karen went into major melt-down/attack mode, made some Sonny vanity threads and the like. I considered putting off the “out,” so no one would think it was retaliation, but then I realized, this isn’t curing breast cancer or killing Bin Laden, this is being a pest on a website, just post the stuff and move on.

So I did.

Please do not worry, if you’ve given me personal information, that I will share it. I never will. Karen gave me none of the information I posted, except on the board. It was all clicks through from her signature page to public pages, and posted only because of the skeeve/predator factor. I have started being more open (in PM) about who I am, partially as collateral so I can ask others who they are. As I said, I have a good ear: I like to hear/know people’s stories.

That’s it. QED and Cognito Virgo Drum and all that.

Love,
Sonny

P.S. AIDS!

No offense meant, but why would you go through all this trouble over a poster on a message board?
 
No offense meant, but why would you go through all this trouble over a poster on a message board?
None taken. It was almost no trouble, though. First-clicks in most cases. I was surprised no one had found 'her' sooner. It's proof that hiding in plain sight works best.
 
An awesome takedown, both in content and presentation. I imagined you with a meerschaum pipe and deerstalker cap as you peeled away the layers.
 
...If Sonny had done this sort of detective work on, say, LT, you'd be throwing him a party.

So, shut the fuck up. :cool:

I have no problem with LT, unless he's one of your alts which I suspect might be the case. If he's for real, though, he's one of the more intellectually interesting posters even if he's wrong on many issues.
 
I have no problem with LT, unless he's one of your alts which I suspect might be the case.

You should have re-thought this before posting. It makes you look like an idiot on several levels.

Next time, deep breath...then, type.
 
It's hilarious that an intelligent and educated person could go to such creepy lengths for so many years, and then be so extraordinarily idiotic as to post a link in their sig that leads directly to their public, non-private, irl facebook.

Kenny must be feeling pretty stupid right now.

I know I feel dumb for believing KK was a girl. But I feel super-dumb for actually starting to like KK on some level. Especially after reading about all the psycho KK behaviour that's gone on before, such as dragging someone's kids into an internet argument- that's got to be the lowest of the low.

I feel very grateful this all came out now and not sometime down the road. Hats off to you, Limatina :kiss:
 
Yeah the 'give me your address and I'll mail you seeds" thing kinda made me raise an eyebrow. But...I can't understand why someone would go out of their way to hunt down a woman from Lit...there's women everywhere if someone wants to be a creepy stalker.

Anyway, weird. I am with slave_ - I don't understand the reasoning behind being someone you're not - on here - in real life - whatever. Wouldn't one lose their identity if they had to constantly put on an act?

Whatev.
 
This post makes me sad. There are so many creeps in this forum, I have to wonder why you wasted your time on one of them. I remember enjoying a couple of your posts over the summer, so I was surprised you would go to the trouble of "outing" someone. Literotica is so twisted, it seems strange to me that there is still taboo behavior here. I guess people are people, whether part of a small town or an anonymous online community.

Also, there are pictures of prepubescent girls here? How is that allowed?
 
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She didn’t post in it. So I baited her. I posted in the Slender Angels thread, saying that if it turned out she was a fat old man, the thread would seem creepy.

Bait worked: she PMd me asking that I change it, explaining how hard it would be for her if I didn’t, and sending a naked picture of Natasha Melnicck to prove she was a female.

I said, post in my Post Your Garden thread and I’ll consider it.

She did. It was the same garden.

Karen was Ken, and the rest is Litstory.

That was the bit I was wondering about, smart move.

Woof!
 
I will say that clicking on the profile of the long-forgotten "Call Me Kevin" and seeing Ken's picture was about the most fun I've had in here that didn't involve the Ass Cancer thread.
 
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