Chat about cheating . . .

[magicalmoments]

Women are master manipulators and masters of deception.

I guess that is your experience so it is true to you. In my case I know I manipulated and deceived my first wife in what I regard as an extremely masterful way, even if I say so myself. This involved devising a strategy to get her to agree to becoming involved in what was called "wife swapping" back in the day. Along the way and up until the time we established ourselves as swingers, I routinely cheated on her without her ever so much suspecting.

My experience is:- Both men and women are master manipulators and masters of deception especially when it comes to sexual matters.

 

[liqueur]

My experience is:- Both men and women are master manipulators and masters of deception especially when it comes to sexual matters.

My experience: both men and women (and the rest of us too) are fundamentally dishonest. So are dogs. So are chameleons. Deception is a survival trait favored by natural selection.

The goal of being human is to outgrow such traits. Not many of us ever get there. But also in my experience: in spite of survival traits, most protohumans are pretty good eggs, if you get to know them.

 

[Illgiveitatry1]

There is no better sex with my wife after she has been with another man. Reclaiming her used pussy and ass is intense and emotional. Her knowing that I know where she has been and that I am going to remake her my slut.

That is so true

 

[RP_Goals]

We already see some of this happening with advent of incel sub-culture. It is not surprising that some men have a harder time finding a partner when there is no longer compelled pairing. For whatever reason they don't offer an attractive package to women. Unfortunately, they are just in the early stages of coming to grips with their reality and are choosing to blame their frustrations on women. In many ways women are also still in the early stages of understanding modern dynamics and how best to manage the increased flexibility and power they have in gender/sexual dynamics. But women don't owe anything to men. And to those that would say some women are selfish or full of themselves I'd say well that may be true but women have been putting up with those characteristics in men for centuries.

The challenge these men face is that they want access to female partners on their terms rather than the female partners' terms. Rather than trying to understand the terms on which women might be willing to engage with them they are doubling down on being misogynist douche bags because they were raised with those attitudes. And I'd guess that in many cases it is precisely those attitudes that are a big part of what makes them unappealing to women.

It may take a few generations, but I'd like to think that attitudes of men and women will evolve and relationship patterns will evolve along with them.

Right now the consequences of a woman 'giving a guy a shot' can still be quite severe. Guys need to get to the place of understanding that a woman never owes them anything other than what she chooses to owe them. If she fucks you just be thankful and don't seek to infer anything she hasn't said or expect she will do it again or shame her if you don't like the way it works out. If she wants to be in a relationship, but not be monogamous just decide if you are ok with that or not then move on with your life.

A significant element for men will be to see themselves more realistically. We aren't all sexual dynamos. And it isn't the case that we can become one just by trying hard enough. Nor is it the case that some romanticized notion of true love will mean that it is incumbent upon a woman to accept a boring sex life. And even if you are a sexual dynamo, a sexually desirous woman might still want other sexual partners.

For some men it will come down to share your partner or be alone. If men were willing to share without imposing negative consequences on women, women might be much more willing to give them a shot. From that would grow new relationship formats that can work for everyone. And those new forms may mean either gender having multiple partners. It isn't all women in the lead.

By way of example, my wife dates other men. Even as a married woman with me as her primary relationship partner she is keenly aware of how other men's attitudes determine whether they are suitable partners or not. She sets the terms of their relationship and it is a politely 'take it or leave it.' The guys who seek to impose their own terms on the situation have nobody but themselves to blame when she shuts them down. She is a dynamo and v quite promiscuous. They can get laid as long as they play nice. She has always said that the biggest impediment to men getting access to sex is their own behaviour.

I am a Masculinist. I've been known to be unsympathetic towards women. Yet I managed to do quite well.

 

[lily_wall_]

So are dogs

You take that back. They are angels

 

[lifeis2short2b]

I have a simple solution. Instead of coming on here and whining about how inadequate you are or how your partner has no sexual interest in you and the best you can get off on is knowing someone else can satisfy her. Why not help the multitude of guys on LIT who will be more than happy to satisfy her ?

I have no doubt in my mind that if you put it out there you will have so many responses you wouldn't know what to do. Just some of the things you would be able to help the LIT community with.

1. You can just hook up your wife when the mood hits.
2. you can easily satisfy your/her fetish.
3. Guys in sexless marriages who post on here will also be satisfied
4. Guys won't have to put up lame posts trying to get women to respond.
5. This would keep most guys busy and the other women on here would get a break from the multitude of DM's thereby, letting them have a smaller DM list to respond too.
5. With the world wide use of Lit no cheated on husband would be left out.
6. Think of it as a public service

There it is a solution to your problem/fetish/situation. This suggestion is a gift to Lit members from me.

 

[liqueur]

You take that back. They are angels

I take it back. (But angels can be deceptive to, if it suits there purposes)

 

[liqueur]

Instead of coming on here and whining about how inadequate you are or how your partner has no sexual interest in you

I've seen no evidence of whining.

 

[screwher]

I enjoy the same "one-way street." Early on she offered that I could try another woman but I flatly refused - I have no interest whatsoever. She later admitted she couldn't have handled it anyway.

This is my wife and I as well. Years ago, my wife cheated. At first I was furious. But soon after I actually started to become aroused by her tryst. I began fantasizing about her fucking other men and secretly hoped she would do it again. When she did cheat again we had a long talk where I confessed my desires for her having sex with other men. She told me she wants to continue screwing other men. But she doesn’t hold the same desires for me with other women. Whisch is fine as I have desire to stray. So we made the decision together to enter a hotwife lifestyle.

So basically she can have all the Sex with other men she wants. If I hook up with another woman, I’d be cheating on her. And she would be crushed. I could never hurt my wife.

 

[sweetgirl430]

Why on earth one can think women do cheat because they are not satisfied sexually? I'm happily married for many years and completely satisfied with my wife but this didn't stop me from having sex with other women more than once. And I can't see why it could be different for woman.

Can confirm - this is true for women, too.

 

[Aaronicsaint]

Can confirm - this is true for women, too.

As all of us have distinguish DNA, our approaches and mindsets are also ain’t aligned. I am definitely certain as we have doppelgänger similarly there will always be a set /sect of people whose views and approaches will align with mine. That being said isn’t it quintessential that one does what one feels the urge for from breathing , eating , compartmentalizing that online cheating is different from irl cheating

 

[saintcero]

I think your wife cheating is the biggest thrill of all

it is a thrill now but it was an ice pick to my heart when I learned that she cheated and then cheated with him again years later

 

[CEOescape]

This is my wife and I as well. Years ago, my wife cheated. At first I was furious. But soon after I actually started to become aroused by her tryst. I began fantasizing about her fucking other men and secretly hoped she would do it again. When she did cheat again we had a long talk where I confessed my desires for her having sex with other men. She told me she wants to continue screwing other men. But she doesn’t hold the same desires for me with other women. Whisch is fine as I have desire to stray. So we made the decision together to enter a hotwife lifestyle.

So basically she can have all the Sex with other men she wants. If I hook up with another woman, I’d be cheating on her. And she would be crushed. I could never hurt my wife.

in the beginning I was in the same situation it took a few yrs she set up a MFM to see my reaction

 

[Smoothshavendad]

in the beginning I was in the same situation it took a few yrs she set up a MFM to see my reaction

Such a good wife!

 

[CEOescape]

Such a good wife!

she turns me on daily

 

[Smoothshavendad]

she turns me on daily

I want her.