Charley's panties revisited

[gauchecritic]

I've come up with a really good twisty sort of way to write a story, it's a detective story probably and I've written the beginning (which gave me the idea in the first place) and I know the ending, the very ending, like the last two paragraphs but I have absolutely no idea how to plot or even come up with the kind of mystery/detective story I want it to be.

You can blame Charley for this thread, the working title for the story is Charley's Panties from a recent thread.

Help.

 

[neonlyte]

I've come up with a really good twisty sort of way to write a story, it's a detective story probably and I've written the beginning (which gave me the idea in the first place) and I know the ending, the very ending, like the last two paragraphs but I have absolutely no idea how to plot or even come up with the kind of mystery/detective story I want it to be.

You can blame Charley for this thread, the working title for the story is Charley's Panties from a recent thread.

Help.

I saw Joanna Lumley on an advert on TV tonight and immediately thought of Charley - take this as a sign. I'm travelling tomorrow but happy to lend an ear or id-ear, PM or post here something to feed off.

 

[CharleyH]

I've come up with a really good twisty sort of way to write a story, it's a detective story probably and I've written the beginning (which gave me the idea in the first place) and I know the ending, the very ending, like the last two paragraphs but I have absolutely no idea how to plot or even come up with the kind of mystery/detective story I want it to be.

You can blame Charley for this thread, the working title for the story is Charley's Panties from a recent thread.

Help.

ROFLOL! LOL - happy to be an inspiration

 

[CharleyH]

I saw Joanna Lumley on an advert on TV tonight and immediately thought of Charley - take this as a sign. I'm travelling tomorrow but happy to lend an ear or id-ear, PM or post here something to feed off.

LOL you guys are not only making my heart melt, but I am getting anorexic model like just laughing

 

[The_Fool]

ROFLOL! LOL - happy to be an inspiration

I didn't know that you indulged in panties, anyway......



Guache....check out some of the old Film Noir detective stories...."Maltese Falcon."

 

[cantdog]

Maltese Falcon's no help. The thing has a mjor twist every 60 pages.

 

[CharleyH]

I saw Joanna Lumley on an advert on TV tonight and immediately thought of Charley - take this as a sign. I'm travelling tomorrow but happy to lend an ear or id-ear, PM or post here something to feed off.

Hm, I know this name, Lumley. Damn you for nor telling me what it means and then jerking off to a foreign land!

HAVE FUN!

 

[Guest]

Maltese Falcon's no help. The thing has a mjor twist every 60 pages.

Well, that fits.

Our Charley's pretty twisted herself.

 

[yui]

This might give you a rough how-to structure that would allow you to flesh out your ideas, mebbe?

Or not.

Much luck,

Yui

 

[CharleyH]

I didn't know that you indulged in panties, anyway......



Guache....check out some of the old Film Noir detective stories...."Maltese Falcon."

I don't. That's maybe the point .

PS: Bogart didn't wear them either? I am in good company.

 

[The_Fool]

Well, that fits.

Our Charley's pretty twisted herself.

Around your little finger?

 

[CharleyH]

Well, that fits.

Our Charley's pretty twisted herself.

Only when I fuck that beautiful ass of yours!

Damn! I haven't. Well, it was someones beautiful ass!

 

[CharleyH]

Around your little finger?

LOL! LOL NOT

 

[The_Fool]

LOL! LOL NOT

I had a thought.....but I won't threadjack anymore....

 

[CharleyH]

I had a thought.....but I won't threadjack anymore....

I am sure with this title, Gauche expected it So do I Satire and roast away, or what was the original question?

 

[CharleyH]

I've come up with a really good twisty sort of way to write a story, it's a detective story probably and I've written the beginning (which gave me the idea in the first place) and I know the ending, the very ending, like the last two paragraphs but I have absolutely no idea how to plot or even come up with the kind of mystery/detective story I want it to be.
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More seriously, if you have an ending then you already know the questions, Gauche. It's the whats in between those questions thats hard

 

[Stella_Omega]

LOL you guys are not only making my heart melt, but I am getting anorexic model like just laughing

Laugh yourself thin, the Charley way!
I can't think of anything healthier!

 

[CharleyH]

Laugh yourself thin, the Charley way!
I can't think of anything healthier!

Ah, you are sweet as a twizzler. But i am like a too big fire and cinnamon jaw breaker in the candy store of life

 

[gauchecritic]

More seriously, if you have an ending then you already know the questions, Gauche. It's the whats in between those questions thats hard

No, no. I mean the very last two paragraphs. The two paragraphs where the detective gets the girl and rides off into the sunset after the evil genius has uttered "damn you, you've ruined me." and is delivered into the hands of the law.

Here is the first paragraph which was inspired directly by Charley's panties and because of the way it came off the top of my head made it have to be a thriller of some sort:

"Just think how much nicer they would be, mint." she said.

"How do you mean? Mint taste? Mint colour? What mint?" I asked, still wondering if I would ever understand a single word she said.

That was the thing about Charley. That was the one thing that drew me back. Into the conversations when I thought they were dead. Into the game when we were three-nil down. Into her life after she'd left me for good. She always drew me back.

As I turned I noticed only two things, even though she stood there naked, I noticed only two things. That half smile that always played about her lips, not a grin, not a smirk, just half a smile, like she was amused by everything and never surprised. The other thing I noticed was the gun she held leveled at me, safety off, finger tensed.

Which is also just about where the story ends because the next part is how the protagonist came to be in that position.

I'm not asking for someone to provide the bit in between, just explain if you can how to plot a thriller.

Can I do it the way I usually write? Just type and see what happens? Do I need to detail a plot outline so as to keep the thread from meandering? Or do I just need some sort of vague idea like the murder was incidental to the espionage which was taking place in order to pay off the blackmailers who were working on behalf of Bill Gates because he finally decided that was the only way to rid himself of Linux competition once and for all?

How do I write a thriller?

 

[cantdog]

You can write a mystery (like Der Richter und sein Henker, for example) with a carefully sequenced series of interviews, or conversations. A real thiller is a much more profound thing.

The interviews or encounters can be arranged to reveal what needs revealing as it needs revealing, for the sake of the continuing mystery. The neat thing about following an investigator is that she doesn't have to find things out in the same order they occurred. It all depends whom she talks to first, whom second, and how much they say the first time, the second.

Suspense is a real art. I think it is related more to horror writing than to mystery writing.

If, once the suspense has begun to really culminate and the full horror is finally glimpsed, you reveal to the reader and the investigator that horror bearing down on a third party we have grown to care for, then the hero can be placed in a race against time to head the evil off and save the third party. Then it's like a dream where things keep happening to fuck you up, even though it's so very imperative to arrive where you need to arrive. Played right, you have an edge-of-the-seat thing.

 

[CharleyH]

No, no. I mean the very last two paragraphs. The two paragraphs where the detective gets the girl and rides off into the sunset after the evil genius has uttered "damn you, you've ruined me." and is delivered into the hands of the law.

Here is the first paragraph which was inspired directly by Charley's panties and because of the way it came off the top of my head made it have to be a thriller of some sort:

"Just think how much nicer they would be, mint." she said.

"How do you mean? Mint taste? Mint colour? What mint?" I asked, still wondering if I would ever understand a single word she said.

That was the thing about Charley. That was the one thing that drew me back. Into the conversations when I thought they were dead. Into the game when we were three-nil down. Into her life after she'd left me for good. She always drew me back.

As I turned I noticed only two things, even though she stood there naked, I noticed only two things. That half smile that always played about her lips, not a grin, not a smirk, just half a smile, like she was amused by everything and never surprised. The other thing I noticed was the gun she held leveled at me, safety off, finger tensed.

Which is also just about where the story ends because the next part is how the protagonist came to be in that position.

I'm not asking for someone to provide the bit in between, just explain if you can how to plot a thriller.

Can I do it the way I usually write? Just type and see what happens? Do I need to detail a plot outline so as to keep the thread from meandering? Or do I just need some sort of vague idea like the murder was incidental to the espionage which was taking place in order to pay off the blackmailers who were working on behalf of Bill Gates because he finally decided that was the only way to rid himself of Linux competition once and for all?

How do I write a thriller?

I will, if I can, help you better tomorrow or Thursday.

 

[oggbashan]

John Buchan's method

John Buchan, he of 'The Thirty-Nine Steps' and 'Prester John', gave this idea for writing a thriller/detective story:

Take three unconnected scenes e.g. a blind woman spinning outside a Norwegian hut; a preparatory schoolboy walking out to bat for his house; and a financier discussing European economies over the brandy and cigars; and then write a story that brings all three together at the end with a logical progression from beginning to end without revealing until then that the three are indeed connected.

All you need are the three scenes.

Maltese Falcon method a.k.a. the McGuffin.

The McGuffin is a standard movie thriller plot. An object, it doesn't matter what, is sought by the villains and the heroes. The villains come close to getting it, time and time again. The heroes get it, then lose it, then get it again with the villains closing in. Finally the heroes foil the villains, get the McGuffin and live happily ever after.

Examples of the McGuffin: The Maltese Falcon; Romancing the Stone; The Jewel of the Nile (McGuffin is a person in this one); most James Bond and Indiana Jones films.

Og

 

[CharleyH]

No, no. I mean the very last two paragraphs. The two paragraphs where the detective gets the girl and rides off into the sunset after the evil genius has uttered "damn you, you've ruined me." and is delivered into the hands of the law.

Here is the first paragraph which was inspired directly by Charley's panties and because of the way it came off the top of my head made it have to be a thriller of some sort:

"Just think how much nicer they would be, mint." she said.

"How do you mean? Mint taste? Mint colour? What mint?" I asked, still wondering if I would ever understand a single word she said.

That was the thing about Charley. That was the one thing that drew me back. Into the conversations when I thought they were dead. Into the game when we were three-nil down. Into her life after she'd left me for good. She always drew me back.

As I turned I noticed only two things, even though she stood there naked, I noticed only two things. That half smile that always played about her lips, not a grin, not a smirk, just half a smile, like she was amused by everything and never surprised. The other thing I noticed was the gun she held leveled at me, safety off, finger tensed.

Which is also just about where the story ends because the next part is how the protagonist came to be in that position.

I'm not asking for someone to provide the bit in between, just explain if you can how to plot a thriller.

Can I do it the way I usually write? Just type and see what happens? Do I need to detail a plot outline so as to keep the thread from meandering? Or do I just need some sort of vague idea like the murder was incidental to the espionage which was taking place in order to pay off the blackmailers who were working on behalf of Bill Gates because he finally decided that was the only way to rid himself of Linux competition once and for all?

How do I write a thriller?

I have not read the whole of the story, Gauche but I love what I read so far.

Well, it depends on the purpose I suppose. Ogg has a good idea. There are many more mysteries than there used to be, and the trick about mystery/detective/thriller is to add a new twist (as far as I am concerned). That she has a gun is rather, and no offence, but it almost seems conventional ... the femme fatale syndrome.

I think you can do anything in the way you write. I love what is here - the question is to break convention to make it new if that makes sense, since what you are writing is a genre and imbued with codes and semiotics that you play into with the gun, most certainly as a power and phallic symbol. But if she is naked where does the gun come from LOL - Is she a pre-op tranny or does she have a strap on, or is she dead or magical and pulling a real gun from her pussy?

I think mystery and thriller is the more complex of literary genres. So many things to consider - like clues, if a protaginist has a clue him or herself . In this case, I would think it to your benefit to outline, even if to make the sex with whom a mystery if porn is the main goal. If sex is secondary, then the details of incremental evidentiary findings need to be plotted and outlined. Mystery buffs, in the age of CSI are not dumb - if that makes sense. Hope I helped a bit Gauche.

Edit: no film examples, they were not necessary.

 

[neonlyte]

Hm, I know this name, Lumley. Damn you for nor telling me what it means and then jerking off to a foreign land!

HAVE FUN!

You probably know her best from Absolutely Fabulous, she's the 'always drunk' PR half, but that's not Joanna Lumley that leaps to my mind. She first appeared in a thing called The Avengers as an extremely glamourous, and dangerous, secret agent/spy, a young mans dream. I met her once, she opened a building I designed in another life. Of course your current AV has a hint of Ab Fab Lumley.

 

[CharleyH]

You probably know her best from Absolutely Fabulous, she's the 'always drunk' PR half, but that's not Joanna Lumley that leaps to my mind. She first appeared in a thing called The Avengers as an extremely glamourous, and dangerous, secret agent/spy, a young mans dream. I met her once, she opened a building I designed in another life. Of course your current AV has a hint of Ab Fab Lumley.

Indeed Jennifer Saunders. Yes I know, now Always called her Patti, the Milf after my own heart