Centralized vs. decentralized government

[Wilson23]

There are a lot of plausible-sounding arguments for decentralization -- local government is closer to the actual needs of the people, etc. -- but they always seem to shatter against the rock of reality. Government gets less competent and efficient the further you go down the levels.

Even Republicans discover the value of centralized control, when Trump locks horns with obstreperous states and cities.

 

[Chadrone]

Government gets less competent and efficient the further you go down the levels.

That's the great lie that authoritarians like yourself tell everyone.....but you've never actually demonstrated this.

 

[Wilson23]

That's the great lie that authoritarians like yourself tell everyone.....but you've never actually demonstrated this.

I can demonstrate it by pointing to education: Every country that produces better results than ours has centralized national control over the system.

 

[Chadrone]

I can demonstrate it by pointing to education: Every country that produces better results than ours has centralized national control over the system.

They're mostly shit just like ours.....turning people into smug assholes isn't very productive, that's why none of you "educated" fucks can even feed yourselves. Turns out hatred of whitee and the USA doesn't pay well.

Centralize national control, sucks.....everything you support demonstrates this.

 

[Wilson23]

They're mostly shit just like ours.

Because centralize national control, sucks.

But they're BETTER shit than ours! Because centralized national control works!

 

[mstrman]

I can demonstrate it by pointing to education: Every country that produces better results than ours has centralized national control over the system.

And the education system is terrible because it's under the control of the unions.

 

[Chadrone]

But they're BETTER shit than ours! Because centralized national control works!

Only according to the people who think centralized national control = better.

The actual results are demonstrably dog shit...you guys suck.

Being smug assholes doesn't make you worth anything. That's why you have to vote yourselves into other peoples pockets....you'd fucking starve if you didn't.

 

[Wilson23]

And the education system is terrible because it's under the control of the unions.

What, there are no teachers' unions in France or the UK?

 

[Wilson23]

The actual results are demonstrably dog shit...you guys suck.

The actual results are less illiteracy than we've got.

 

[Wilson23]

Is there a country in the world whose problem could be solved by more federalism? Not even Russia.

 

[Hel_Books]

There are a lot of plausible-sounding arguments for decentralization -- local government is closer to the actual needs of the people, etc. -- but they always seem to shatter against the rock of reality. Government gets less competent and efficient the further you go down the levels.

Even Republicans discover the value of centralized control, when Trump locks horns with obstreperous states and cities.

It's a complex question. Some areas of government are best done at the local level, some are best done by centralization.

Unfortunately, nobody seems to consider this on the merits. When a party has control of the central government, but not a local government, they like to say, "We're the supreme law of the land!" and then . . . I dunno, send the National Guard to spray Chicago with tear gas to assert their masculinity. But when they lose control of the central government, as the MAGAtards did in 2020, they claim the central government is a corrupt tyranny and they must assert themselves by whipping up a mob to storm the Capitol.

 

[Wilson23]

I was once astonished, at an SF convention panel discussion, to hear the late Jerry Pournelle insist that the U.S. is no longer a "republic" because of expanded federal powers and functions.

France has a unitary system of government. Germany has a federal system. France is just as good a republic.

I notice that the states'-rights RWs are as ready as anyone else to embrace centralized government when it serves their purposes -- see the recent effort in Georgia to give the state more power over the local elections offices. Reminds one of the antebellum South, where the slaveowning-landowning gentry centralized as much power as possible at the state level because it was easier for their class to control the state governments than all the towns and counties.

Commentator Michael Lind, a "democratic nationalist," with much experience with government at various levels, has formulated "Lind's Law": The lower you go in the federal-state-local hierarchy, the worse the ignorance and incompetence.

 

[Chadrone]

The actual results are less illiteracy than we've got.

LOL just graduate the illiterates with participation diplomas, problem solved!!!

 

[Wilson23]

BTW, centralized vs. decentralized has nothing at all to do with democratic vs. republican.

 

[Wilson23]

Even Republicans discover the value of centralized control, when Trump locks horns with obstreperous states and cities.

For example: https://forum.literotica.com/thread...e-over-california-oil.1647131/#post-102115311