Catheters

[Kailey_86]

Has anyone used these before? If so, does it hurt? Any tips or warnings about putting them in, removing them, or taking care of them?

Any information at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time.

 

[Netzach]

1. Yes.

2. YES.

3. Don't do this unless you have a medical professional teach you. I don't care how many kinky experts there are on this. I learned it from a nurse who happened to be a raging pervert. The risks are not worth it.

Oh, and from my own experience in the hospital, you will wish yourself dead and have a hard time not passing out when you're peeing afterward for the better part of a day.

 

[Shankara20]

Oh, and from my own experience in the hospital, you will wish yourself dead and have a hard time not passing out when you're peeing afterward for the better part of a day.

yes, I remember - the good ol' days *sigh*

exquisite pain that can be obtained from a very few sources - at the toilet, knowing it will burn like hellfire, with a very strong need to pee, the fear, the anticipation, the start-stop-start-stop of the flow, the knowledge that there is absolutely nothing you can do to bargain your way out of this - no safeword calling now sweetie, the holding your breath as the flow starts, the anxiety about pulling the plumbing fixture out of the wall, the tears, the buckling of the knees, the blessed stopping once your bladder is empty. The knowledge that you will need to void again at some point in the future, and the disappointment and relief when that times arrives and the pain is just not as intense *sigh*

hellfire peeing is one thing (see above )
infection is something else altogether
I agree with Netzach, have a medical pro teach you how to not get infected - or do other damage that might require surgery to correct.

 

[HottieMama]

1. Yes.

2. YES.

3. Don't do this unless you have a medical professional teach you. I don't care how many kinky experts there are on this. I learned it from a nurse who happened to be a raging pervert. The risks are not worth it.

Oh, and from my own experience in the hospital, you will wish yourself dead and have a hard time not passing out when you're peeing afterward for the better part of a day.

Yeah that. As a nurse, i cannot in good conscience recommend that anyone try this without being properly trained by a health professional first. It is VERY VERY easy for a woman to get an infection (UTI/bladder/kidney) following having a catheter removed, no matter how skilled the inserter/remover is. And yes, pissing will hurt like hell fire following removal...seriously.

 

[Shankara20]

And yes, pissing will hurt like hell fire following removal...seriously.

I just love it when you talk that way

see my post before yours hee hee

 

[HottieMama]

I just love it when you talk that way

see my post before yours hee hee

LOL...just read it!!!!!! But damn, it's SO true it bears repeating.

 

[graceanne]

I had a cathetar with all three of my kids. I don't recall it hurting to pee afterward, but I was heavily drugged at the time. What I do recall is it's very hard to pee afterward. Its' like you know you need to, but you can't recall the right muscles to push. lol

Other than that, I , personally, wouldn't let just anyone put a cathetar in me, if that was one of my fetishes (which it's not). You have to be SO careful.

 

[shy slave]

As Net said this is a highly specialised skill.

Student nurses are NOT allowed to learn how to catherterise anyone. It takes further training.
The risk of infection, the risk of permanent damage are not a myth.

If you let him do this you, even if he is a professional, are way beyond SSC or RACK.

Kailey sometimes I wonder where your head is at?

You have made a lightening transformation from virgin to extreme.

I wish I could worry about you, but I realise that would be fruitless and a waste of energy.

I just hope when you are older you do not have health problems from some of the things you have tried. Health problems that could include a damaged bladder.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Has anyone used these before? If so, does it hurt? Any tips or warnings about putting them in, removing them, or taking care of them?

Any information at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time.

Yep, like everyone else has said, this is not something your Dom decides would be fun to try on the weekend and then just goes ahead and whips them out and proceeds with what they think is the right way, or what they have read step by step on the net was the way to do it. Wasn't he also a novice when you both started a few short months ago, or am I confused with someone else? Regardless, it is not on the list of things to try without extensive training and a good amount of common end medical sense, which if medical sense and experience were there would not require your info seeking mission here. Good luck, but like shy I tend to think in a few years you may very well have real and permanent reasons to regret some of the things you have done or anticipate doing.

Catalina

 

[lil_slave_rose]

Has anyone used these before? If so, does it hurt? Any tips or warnings about putting them in, removing them, or taking care of them?

Any information at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time.

ok sorry kailey, that question was equivalent to the questions i got after i got my tongue pierced...does it hurt? YES! i've never done it for 'play' but i've had it done at the hospital and i begged them after they finally got it in, to never take it out again LOL..it hurt really really bad, and not the good kind of hurt either. not trying to scare you away from it, but be careful and go in knowing that YES it IS going to hurt. taking it out hurt more for me than when they put it in. i dont' know anything about the 'care' of it..i just wanted to give you my experience on how it feels ........

 

[lil_slave_rose]

1. Yes.

2. YES.

3. Don't do this unless you have a medical professional teach you. I don't care how many kinky experts there are on this. I learned it from a nurse who happened to be a raging pervert. The risks are not worth it.

Oh, and from my own experience in the hospital, you will wish yourself dead and have a hard time not passing out when you're peeing afterward for the better part of a day.

*nods,nods*

 

[BiBunny]

This is one of those things that I'm kind of interested in, but, as none of my play partners are medical professionals, it'll remain in my fantasies only.

 

[callinectes]

Do not do it. Don't even think about it. This is sooo not the territory for experimenting.

Do you have some kind of list you are trying to get through before summer or something? I worry that you are rushing into these experiences without taking the time to savor them or your relationship.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Do not do it. Don't even think about it. This is sooo not the territory for experimenting.

Do you have some kind of list you are trying to get through before summer or something? I worry that you are rushing into these experiences without taking the time to savor them or your relationship.

It is nice I am no longer the only one who seems to see this invisible list that must be gotten through in the quickest way at any cost. It is not meant to offend, but it is the way it has seemed to me for a long time and not at all safe or sane in a manner of ways.

Catalina

 

[Daddyslilpet]

Kailey, I'm gonna have to agree that this is something you really should leave to the medical professionals instead of risking permanent damage to yourself.

And it is starting to appear as Cat and callinectes said that you are trying to rush through some checklist as fast as you possibly can. That's really no way to enjoy this lifestyle darlin, take a step back and slow down a bit. Savor the experiences, instead of rushing through them... trust me it's worth it.

 

[Quint]

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[Netzach]

Kailey, you might as well just make an alt and come back as "someone who has been in the lifestyle for several years and is trying to branch out with my equally experienced partner." Seriously--there are some excellent and informative posts on your threads but if I had a spanking for every "slow down, why are you rushing, weren't you a virgin 6 months ago" post that well-intentioned folks feel compelled to add, my ass would be black and blue. (Which, by the way, is probably ok for me because I have oodles of real life experience in BDSM and so it's cool. But don't you try it! Savor your red ass before you move up the color spectrum!) I don't remember ever getting this much shit when I was 18 and drinking in every thread on TPE, branding, watersports, scene-rape, etc that I could find.

If you haven't gotten the message that safety comes first, then you never will and no billions of sermons will change that. Again I say to you, try an alt. It only hurts the first time.

I object, your honor. My post would have been identical otherwise, unless she were coming back as a dude naming one of a small handful of pros I'd let do this to me in theory anyhow.

You don't have to be new to this or young to be a dumbass - I've found that dumbasses seem to peak in middle age, even. But don't be a dumbass, this is a medical procedure and they don't make home cath kits for a reason.

M went ahead and skirted my reservations at cathing and did himself, 'cause he's a crazy dude, having talked to the chick who taught me eventually and read everything he could find online. His pee pee was fine, but nobody had mentioned the bit of blood that you can normally expect so he had a GOOD bit of panic to help him cool his heels in the future.

It's not how *I* would have gone about it, that's for sure.

 

[shy slave]

Kailey, you might as well just make an alt and come back as "someone who has been in the lifestyle for several years and is trying to branch out with my equally experienced partner." Seriously--there are some excellent and informative posts on your threads but if I had a spanking for every "slow down, why are you rushing, weren't you a virgin 6 months ago" post that well-intentioned folks feel compelled to add, my ass would be black and blue. (Which, by the way, is probably ok for me because I have oodles of real life experience in BDSM and so it's cool. But don't you try it! Savor your red ass before you move up the color spectrum!) I don't remember ever getting this much shit when I was 18 and drinking in every thread on TPE, branding, watersports, scene-rape, etc that I could find.

If you haven't gotten the message that safety comes first, then you never will and no billions of sermons will change that. Again I say to you, try an alt. It only hurts the first time.

Quint usually I agree with your posts.
This time i don't for all the reasons others have said.

I should just add that my opinion would not change if she used an alt. When i used the word 'virgin' I meant in the real sexual sense not in the Lit title or BDSM sense.

 

[Daddyslilpet]

Quint, no offense meant here, but I've been one of the ones since Kailey first joined this site saying all along that folks needed to back off her. My advise this time is meant from watching her threads as they have popped up in rapid succession and getting even more rapidly edgy after going from completely vanilla just a few short months ago. You know I don't normally tell people how to live their lives... if you think about my posts from all the time that you've seen me posting around this and other sites.

However, when I do feel something is a danger to someone I will speak up. Which I have done, and I am now done with this subject.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Kailey, you might as well just make an alt and come back as "someone who has been in the lifestyle for several years and is trying to branch out with my equally experienced partner." Seriously--there are some excellent and informative posts on your threads but if I had a spanking for every "slow down, why are you rushing, weren't you a virgin 6 months ago" post that well-intentioned folks feel compelled to add, my ass would be black and blue. (Which, by the way, is probably ok for me because I have oodles of real life experience in BDSM and so it's cool. But don't you try it! Savor your red ass before you move up the color spectrum!) I don't remember ever getting this much shit when I was 18 and drinking in every thread on TPE, branding, watersports, scene-rape, etc that I could find.

If you haven't gotten the message that safety comes first, then you never will and no billions of sermons will change that. Again I say to you, try an alt. It only hurts the first time.

Age has nothing to do with it, nor does what name a person posts under...what it comes down to is someone who regularly posts threads about certain topics (usually those most see as edgy) to get info, proclaims no interest and then in the next week says they have done it or they agree with what everyone says and then does the opposite....and then comes back to complain when all does not go well....that to me is someone who cannot be honest with those they come to for advice, and is on fast forward of a list of things they must be able to say they have tried. There was a time we all cautioned Kailey about throwing away her job, study and roof over her head all at once in an effort to prove she was an adult and while she was still fragile from an experience that didn't go as she had anticipated.....she and a few others felt some of us were out of line to be concerned she was putting herself in a more fragile and vulnerable place....but then she came back with complaints about how bad things were for her because she had no job, was frustrated with it all, and it was also impacting on her relationship, and was happy to take any sympathy handed out. There is a limit to how much some of us can be caring and shoulder lending when the well meant advice which has been asked for is trashed unless it fits what was wanted in the first place. Then again what would I know...I am only middle aged and aware of the fuck ups I have made in life and the ones which could have been prevented with a little less haste and a bit more thought. It is amazing how the saying 'you can't put an old head on young shoulders' doesn't make sense until you get well into years like 35-40+ and things begin to appear with so much more clarity in hindsight.

Catalina

 

[Kailey_86]

Thank you all for your comments. i don't think we are going to do this. J mentioned it and it freaked me out a bit at first. That's why i came here to ask others' opinions. i don't want to have any lasting medical issues. That was my main concern.

J and i don't have a list that we are trying to get through. It's just that one thing leads to another which leads to another. For example, J wanted to be able to control when i went to the restroom. At first i simply had to ask permission to go. Then i started using those absorbant mats that they use for real puppies. The problem with that was that i couldn't go unless i had been holding it for a long time. We decided that this wasn't healthy for me. J also has a diaper fetish so he started putting me in those instead. Now he is trying to think of ways to make me dependent on the diapers, just for a short time. The diapers led to us to exploring AB/DL which is leading to other things. A lot of the stuff that we want to try is usually a result of wanting to enhance something we've already done. Another reason why it might seem like we are going through a list is because a lot of these things are being combined in one scene like wax, ice, and bondage.

i appreciate everyone's concern and whatnot. The thing is, i sometimes feel like i am being attacked because of the way that the resonses are written. A simple "this is dangerous and this is what you should know about it" would do the trick but people seem intent on telling me that i shouldn't be doing this or that and that i'm going too fast. J and i are comfortable with the speed that we are going at. We aren't being stupid about this stuff. We are aware that some of the things we do are risky and have consequences. We learn about them first. i come here to talk to people who have done it before. We are learning about one activity at the same time that we are actively participating in another. Maybe that's why it seems like we aren't taking the time required to educate ourselves. Please trust me when i say that i am being careful and smart about this. We are both happy with our relationship, what's taking place in it, and where it's going.

 

[Kailey_86]

Age has nothing to do with it, nor does what name a person posts under...what it comes down to is someone who regularly posts threads about certain topics (usually those most see as edgy) to get info, proclaims no interest and then in the next week says they have done it or they agree with what everyone says and then does the opposite....and then comes back to complain when all does not go well....that to me is someone who cannot be honest with those they come to for advice, and is on fast forward of a list of things they must be able to say they have tried. There was a time we all cautioned Kailey about throwing away her job, study and roof over her head all at once in an effort to prove she was an adult and while she was still fragile from an experience that didn't go as she had anticipated.....she and a few others felt some of us were out of line to be concerned she was putting herself in a more fragile and vulnerable place....but then she came back with complaints about how bad things were for her because she had no job, was frustrated with it all, and it was also impacting on her relationship, and was happy to take any sympathy handed out. There is a limit to how much some of us can be caring and shoulder lending when the well meant advice which has been asked for is trashed unless it fits what was wanted in the first place. Then again what would I know...I am only middle aged and aware of the fuck ups I have made in life and the ones which could have been prevented with a little less haste and a bit more thought. It is amazing how the saying 'you can't put an old head on young shoulders' doesn't make sense until you get well into years like 35-40+ and things begin to appear with so much more clarity in hindsight.

Catalina

i will admit that i DO come in saying that i'm not going to try the activities i'm asking about and then i go do it. This has become a habit of mine because i've been flamed too many times in the past for wanting to try something that is seen as edgy. i am only trying to protect myself while getting the information that i'm looking for.

i don't come back complaining about how things didn't go as expected. Things usually DO go as expected. J and i are most often pleased with the results and if we aren't, we live and learn. There has only been one time when i was disappointed with what happened. i honestly don't know where you got this from.

Yes, i was having a hard time after i quit my job and left school but i got through it in the end and now i'm a much better and happier person because of it. i don't regret doing those things. i think it shows strength and i grew a lot as a person. i learned a lot about myself and what i wanted during that time.

i don't want people to stop giving their opinion and advice when i ask for it. Just because you give it though, it doesn't mean that i will follow it. One person's advice can be very different then another's. i take the advice and then make my own decision. i take full responsibility for the consequences of my actions based on that decision. Please keep responding to my posts. i may challenge what you say but it doesn't mean that i'm not taking it all in. Any information is always useful in some way or another.

 

[Quint]

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[Netzach]

To me, it sounds like sex ed in schools today. It's so hard to hear a complete, informative, thorough course on the cons AND pros of sex. All you get nowadays (at least in my part of the world) is "be abstinent." Yet somehow kids keep having sex. I'm not saying it's not a valid concern to be safe, maybe even to wait. I'm just saying that you can tell a horny teenager to keep it in his pants all day and all night. But if there was intention to fuck before, I would bet that there is intention to fuck after. As my mom has told me over and over, "pick your battles."

Would I play with catheters? Fuck no. Would I share my information about how one can most safely play with catheters, had I any? Absolutely. That's what the whole RACK credo is all about. Very little that we do is safe, just like there is no real "safe sex." But it can be made safer. That's the battle I pick.

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I'm again sifting past the bs of age-experience etc. to simply say that I honestly believe this is not an activity that can be made adequately safer via reading only.

There aren't many things like that, but this is one. It's like suspension in that regard.

 

[Etoile]

Yes, i was having a hard time after i quit my job and left school but i got through it in the end and now i'm a much better and happier person because of it. i don't regret doing those things. i think it shows strength and i grew a lot as a person. i learned a lot about myself and what i wanted during that time.

This is an example of why some of us feel like you are going through a checklist. The length of time that you have been involved in some things is much shorter than you realize. It was only six months ago (or thereabouts) that you decided to quit school and work, I know because I remember telling my wife about it - in the context of the fact that I dropped out too - and I don't remember things like that for very long. So please, please be aware that you have not been doing this for very long. And by "this" I mean sex, BDSM, relationships, living independently, etc. Some things take time and experience to learn, and six months is not a whole lot of time for that.

I have to agree, it does feel like you are going down a checklist. Perhaps that's because it's very unusual for partners to combine fetishes in the way you and J are. I think you two just might be the only couple I have ever heard of who is into puppy play AND ab/dl. Oh, and fisting. And bathroom control. Etc.

Again, this is not a "pile on Kailey" mentality, it's out of concern for your safety. You have not been doing this for very long, and the person you are doing it with also has not been doing it very long. So we are all concerned for your safety first and foremost. I'm glad you realize that catheter play is very advanced kink...there's a lot of fun you can have without getting into such advanced topics right away.