Categorizing

[BadKat135]

I keep getting slammed for mis-categorizing stories. Is there like a guide to categories that I have just somehow missed?

Example my newest submission is a story about a husband and wife rekindling passions and I put it in the "loving wives" category, apparently that was not the right one...

Any help is appreciated

 

[Saxon_Hart]

I keep getting slammed for mis-categorizing stories. Is there like a guide to categories that I have just somehow missed?

Example my newest submission is a story about a husband and wife rekindling passions and I put it in the "loving wives" category, apparently that was not the right one...

Any help is appreciated

In LW you are going to be told you're wrong by one of two groups. BTB crowd, or the wimp crowd. I read your story, gave it a five, and I think you're OK categorically.

 

[Darkniciad]

A link would be helpful. We can be a lazy bunch around here

From the brief description, I suspect that Romance might have worked for you, depending upon the balance of emotion to sex.

While it should usually be a last resort option, there's always Erotic Couplings, when nothing else seems to fit and the story is 1on1.

If your story doesn't contain cheating or the illusion of same, you're going to get "wrong category" screams from LW. Of course, if your cheating story has a cuckold theme, you're still going to get that, along with acidic commentary up to and including instructions on how to kill yourself in the most gruesome way possible.

The LW readers are -- shall we say -- a passionate bunch. If you post there, expect nastiness. There are too many warring camps of readers who think that the other camps' kinks are sick and shouldn't be allowed in the category. They use your score and comment board as their battlefield for that.

Categorization can be your most difficult task on Lit when it comes time to post a story, and there's no hard and fast rule book.

About all you can do is start with the most squicky kink you have in the story, and work from there.

If there's any sort of family love, it most likely belongs in Incest/Taboo. If it contains MonM action, it most likely belongs in Gay Male.

Start from there. If the story isn't all that kinky, then concentrate on eliminating things.

Does the story center on or culminate in anal sex? Is it about multiple sex partners? Is it about lesbians?

Tick off the things it absolutely isn't, and then see what's left. Many will be easy to eliminate.

After that, take a look through the top rated/read stories in the categories, and see what's doing well. Does yours have similar themes?

A lot of time, unless you specifically write a story to stick to a theme, it's going to be a pain in the ass.

 

[BadKat135]

A link would be helpful. We can be a lazy bunch around here

Per your request
http://www.literotica.com/s/ignition-3

 

[sr71plt]

Gotta ask why you think this is in the wrong category. I didn't see a single comment making that claim (and even if I had, that doesn't mean much. There would have to be several, giving the same, appearing to be valid, reasons).

Is it just that it hasn't gotten the rating/votes/favorites/comments/views you wanted? It's gotten quite a few of those.

 

[lovecraft68]

Loving wives is the most inappropriately named category here. Your story would have been better suited to romance or erotic couplings.

In LW all they want to see is the cheating wife gang raped until she dies.

They're a disgusting bunch of assholes over there who live for violence towards women as they cower in their mother's basement stroking it to burn the bitch stories.

 

[Darkniciad]

I don't see the category commentary either, unless it's been deleted? ( Your choice, and perfectly within your rights. That's why you have the ability in the first place ) If all the comments remain, then you've had a rare, pleasant foray into the category.

This kind of story can do well there, but on a site with so many extreme kinks, it kind of goes against the "adventurous wife" description to me. It may be that some people marked it down for being too vanilla in the sex department.

What really jumped out at me was the frequent ellipses. There are a fair number of readers who consider it amateurish ( It's an amateur site. Go figure! ) and will mark you down if there are a lot of them. That's possibly a reason for the below 4 score.

( Most writers do this for pauses at first. I know I did. It's something you have to learn to get away from, substituting narrative that gets across the point without the punctuation )

While the readers in LW are a bit crazy, they're also more story-centered, and a hot sex scene won't necessarily distract them from technical errors or faux pas the way it might in other categories.

This is a tough one to call for me. I think I'd have ended up settling for Erotic Couplings with this one. It just doesn't have strong enough connections to any one theme for me to believe it fits anywhere else.

 

[lovecraft68]

I don't see the category commentary either, unless it's been deleted? ( Your choice, and perfectly within your rights. That's why you have the ability in the first place ) If all the comments remain, then you've had a rare, pleasant foray into the category.

This kind of story can do well there, but on a site with so many extreme kinks, it kind of goes against the "adventurous wife" description to me. It may be that some people marked it down for being too vanilla in the sex department.

What really jumped out at me was the frequent ellipses. There are a fair number of readers who consider it amateurish ( It's an amateur site. Go figure! ) and will mark you down if there are a lot of them. That's possibly a reason for the below 4 score.

( Most writers do this for pauses at first. I know I did. It's something you have to learn to get away from, substituting narrative that gets across the point without the punctuation )

While the readers in LW are a bit crazy, they're also more story-centered, and a hot sex scene won't necessarily distract them from technical errors or faux pas the way it might in other categories.

This is a tough one to call for me. I think I'd have ended up settling for Erotic Couplings with this one. It just doesn't have strong enough connections to any one theme for me to believe it fits anywhere else.

Oh please.

They look for cuckolding as either a turn on or a reason for the woman to be drugged raped and sold into slavery in a Mexican whorehouse

Dumbest most ignorant audience on this site by far.'

The reason for the poor score is it is a "loving" story and they don;t like that.

Keep in mind even if the comments don;t say that, the story has gotten a lot of one bombs and not everyone who votes comments.

I will bet the bombers are upset it did not fit their criteria and romance is beyond their limited brains.

Here's a great example of your average LW loser.

by Anonymous11/02/12
WHAT A FUCK PIG

I HAVE A SPECIAL FOR CHAD AND FUCK PIG FROM GREG'S POINT OF VIEW , A 6 FOOT HOLE 50 POUNDS OF LIME AND 50 POUNDS OF LYE 50 GALLONS OF WATER FUCK PIG AND 8 INCHES OF CHAD UP FUCK PIG'S ASS REVENGE GREG IS SWEET IF KAREN GETS IN THE WAY STUFF HER IN ALSO. it's all about equity isn't it.you story is pussy puss and has none as true 0 for story line and way too much descriptive sex at the end pussy puss. do better next time and remember REAL MEN GET AHEAD NOT EVEN.

Ah, yes. Real men. Posting their semi literate spew over the safety of the internet.

I've met many so called real men in real life. Doesn't end the way they like it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I keep getting slammed for mis-categorizing stories. Is there like a guide to categories that I have just somehow missed?

Example my newest submission is a story about a husband and wife rekindling passions and I put it in the "loving wives" category, apparently that was not the right one...

Any help is appreciated

"Loving wives" is badly misnamed. It should more properly be called "men who hate women."

There are stories like yours, but they are few and far between, and beset by, as I said, 'men who hate women."

 

[Saxon_Hart]

I usually don't post anything in defense of the LW readership. I write in that category for three reasons. 1. It is a lions den. I read the category for quite a while before venturing into it and saw what a writer is up against posting in there and how rare the little red H is. My goal was to get me a little red H in LW, but it seems impossible with the two bunches and you can't please them all. I figured if I can carry a decent score in there maybe I am not a crap writer.
2. You don't have to have sex in the story to win over the crowd. My two highest rated stories in the category have little to know sex in them. Why? I suck at describing sex. I feel stupid when I am writing sex scenes and I get fully frustrated trying to write a scene and not feel like I am repeating the same shit over and over again.
3. Therapeutic reasons. A lot of the guys who read the BTB stories have been burned by the one woman they gave their heart to. Then while dealing with the pain of that betrayal comes a new pain dealt by the justice system. Not only did she cheat on him (and yes I know guys cheat as much if mot more, but I am dealing from my own experiences, as are many of the BTB writers) but now they get to pay her for cheating on him. Sometimes she brings him home a disease to deal with. So yes many of them can be construed as woman haters, and most I have talked to don't hate women. I know I don't. Most of them read the stories because they get a sense of payback that the law, or their own moral code wouldn't allow them to get.
I write LW revenge stories because I can draw from my own experience to add feel to the story.
BadKat's story is a true Loving Wife story, and I enjoyed reading it. The real problem is the mish mash of stories in the category. You have BTB, and reconciliation stories mixed with cuckolding stories, which in my way of thought do fit the category, as do the hot wife and slut wife stories. I think the problem is that too many of the fetish/humiliation stories are put in there, and too many writers seem to write just to incite the readership in there.
Badkat, keep on writing that story. You categorized it just fine. And I hope you get your red H.

 

[Stella_Omega]

As people have said SO many times in the past... LW needs to be separated into three categories;
Adventurous Couples
Burn the Bitch
Cuckold

But it will never happen.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

As people have said SO many times in the past... LW needs to be separated into three categories;
Adventurous Couples
Burn the Bitch
Cuckold

But it will never happen.

I fully agree.

PS, Stella, I liked the trucker hat better.

 

[TxRad]

Then you have the LW trolls that skim the story and blast it just for the fun of it.

If half of them would just read the story completely through but they don't. But then again they wouldn't have anything to bitch about.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

Then you have the LW trolls that skim the story and blast it just for the fun of it.

If half of them would just read the story completely through but they don't. But then again they wouldn't have anything to bitch about.

There does seem to be an abundance of those in there. They are the guys who bitch if their ice cream is cold.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I fully agree.

PS, Stella, I liked the trucker hat better.

Does this cat make my butt look fat?

 

[BadKat135]

Gotta ask why you think this is in the wrong category. I didn't see a single comment making that claim (and even if I had, that doesn't mean much. There would have to be several, giving the same, appearing to be valid, reasons).

Is it just that it hasn't gotten the rating/votes/favorites/comments/views you wanted? It's gotten quite a few of those.

I deleted the comments about categorization, and Ive gotten a couple feedback emails about it.

Of course I want to be in the mid-upper 4's whenever I write something, but I am not going to whine about it if the story doesn't land the way I want it too. Not everything you write is going to go ever well, doesn't matter if its on a porn site or a newspaper; that's just the nature of it.

Although your stories seem to be consistently rated highly, bravo! I've only seen a couple of yours fall below the 4 mark.

 

[sr71plt]

I deleted two comments about categorization, and Ive gotten a couple feedback emails about it.

Of course I want to be in the mid-upper 4's whenever I write something, but I am not going to whine about it if the story doesn't land the way I want it too. Not everything you write is going to go ever well, doesn't matter if its on a porn site or a newspaper; that's just the nature of it.

Although your stories seem to be consistently rated highly, bravo! I've only seen a couple of yours fall below the 4 mark.

Oh, lots of mine go below the 4 mark. And they are some of my technically best and certainly most experimental or niche ones, so I don't really hold all that much with a connection between the rating number and the quality of the story. I also don't connect the rating number--or the opinion of one or two commenters--on whether a story has been miscategorized. Again, some of my better stories don't fall into a category here to start with.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

Does this cat make my butt look fat?

LMAO!! I almost spit beer all over when I read that.

 

[lovecraft68]

I deleted the comments about categorization, and Ive gotten a couple feedback emails about it.

Of course I want to be in the mid-upper 4's whenever I write something, but I am not going to whine about it if the story doesn't land the way I want it too. Not everything you write is going to go ever well, doesn't matter if its on a porn site or a newspaper; that's just the nature of it.

Although your stories seem to be consistently rated highly, bravo! I've only seen a couple of yours fall below the 4 mark.

The thing with categories is every kink has sub divisions of kinks.

As someone pointed out LW has three.

In BDSM you have people more into straight d/s and some into femdom etc...

Incest has the mother/son crowd the father crowd etc...

So sometimes even when you are in the right category you can get some abuse.

I caught a lot of flack for doing an incest/bdsm crossover which of course had to go in incest, but they ted to like their taboo light and fluffy.

Scores were decent, but got a lot of nasty private remarks and the views and vote totals were way below the average for that category

 

[soflabbwlvr]

LW is the wrong category if you are trying to attain a high score. It has become the Lit. cesspool, populated by a readership that basically hates women. And men.

The problem with the category is the ambiguity of the title; "Loving Wives" doesn't really say anything about the intended content of the category. The description that follows is more instructive, but that modification came along a little too late in the game. The category was originally intended to be a place to read about so-called hot wives, i.e., women who fuck other men, with or without their husbands' permission. The description makes this perfectly clear: "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more." It isn't about revenge, it isn't about punishing women, and it isn't about humiliating men. And it really isn't about a married couple engaging in one-on-one sex, either. But years of neglect have resulted in the category being split into camps with hardened attitudes and personal agendas which it almost impossible for an author to write a story that fits the category description and achieve a decent score.