Casualty Count.

[Spinaroonie]

Yesterday the current number of casualties in the Towers was dropped to only 3,019. Given the number of cases people have falsely claimed to have somebody in them for the purposes of fraud, this could easily drop below 3K.

Much less than the media's predictions of 40-55K.

But they'll never scream it as loud as they'll scream about the False alarms and how they took cautiousness and blew it wayyyy out of proportion. "They're gonna bomb Texas schools! Good God Almighty! Pull your kids out and duck and cover, they'll be here any minute..."

"Hey, Rammadan is coming up, something'll happen then! (mumbling)nevermindaboutthatschoolthingthatwasn'ttrue (coughs a few times)"

 

[Bob Peale]

Yesterday the current number of casualties in the Towers was dropped to only 3,019. Given the number of cases people have falsely claimed to have somebody in them for the purposes of fraud, this could easily drop below 3K.

Much less than the media's predictions of 40-55K.

<SNIP>

The media's prediction was NEVER 40 - 55k. Ever.

What was stated, and what is still true, is that the complex housed 40,000 - 55,000 people. Although the point was made that if the center was filled to capacity, that is how many people could have perished.

The media, in fact, took great pains to point out that the death toll would be significantly lower because the attack ocurred early in the morning, before the day had gotten in full swing.

So far, they have done a great job of celebrating the fact that the number lessens daily.

 

[Guest]

It's too bad you weren't mooning NYC at the impact point.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Re: Re: Casualty Count.

The media's prediction was NEVER 40 - 55k. Ever.

What was stated, and what is still true, is that the complex housed 40,000 - 55,000 people. Although the point was made that if the center was filled to capacity, that is how many people could have perished.

Story on page one, Corrections on page 55 two weeks later in small print.

 

[PHANTOM5875]

Just washed your brain and can't do a THING with it?.................

It's too bad you weren't mooning NYC at the impact point.

That unkind remark is unworthy of even a bottom feeder like you. I wouldn't wish that horror on ANYBODY even Osama Bin Laden. (A quick beheading, maybe!)

SD412, keep the flags of discontent waving hi! Just remember to keep it CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and it's all good. It keeps us thinking.

 

[Problem Child]

It's too bad you weren't mooning NYC at impact point.

 

[Bob Peale]

Re: Re: Re: Casualty Count.

Story on page one, Corrections on page 55 two weeks later in small print.

Hmm, I guess I get the wrong papers and read deficient websites. Everything I saw said things like:


"The numbers we are working with are in the thousands," Giuliani told reporters at a briefing, the day after hijacked airliners crashed into the twin 110-story trade center towers. "The best estimate we can make ... is that there will be a few thousand people left in each building." (CNN.com, September 12, 2001)

Now I will admit I don't know what the news reports looked like for the 99% of the country that was not directly (physically) affected by the attacks. In the affected areas, there is a good chance that our information was more complete. If so, I can see how the misinformation could be nerve-wracking. At least we knew what was going on.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

SD, Bob Peale's right...

There was never as high a casualty estimate as you're claiming. As Bob points out, the media reported that as many as 40-50,000 could be dead, but also reported that that many surely wouldn't be in the buildings at that hour. What's more, the buildings didn't collapse right away, giving thousands a chance to exit the buildings safely.

But all this is trivial. What point are you trying to make here? I'm getting a sense that you're arguing that the media's reaction to the attacks was somehow gratuitous and overdone, and that perhaps it fueled mass hysteria. Am I misreading your argument?

Perhaps you're right. But even so, should I really be less angered by this attack because there were 3000 instead of 40,000 in the buildings when they collapsed? Should I be less worried about the possibility of future attacks because fewer people died in this attack than was originally feared?

To put it another way: would the media's actions have been justified if 40,000 people had actually been killed in the attack, (had the attacks happened midday, perhaps, and the towers collapsed sooner, allowing fewer people to escape?)? Would the likelihood of future attacks be greater? Would the severity of future attacks be greater?

I think the answers to these questions are obvious. We were extremely lucky to escape this attack with only 3000 or so lives lost. It could easily be much worse. What's more, is that there remains a very real possibility that it will be much worse if we don't take the threat of terrorism with the utmost seriousness.

Has there been hysteria and false alarms? Of course. People remain people. When we're terrified we often tend to overreact. This is no reason, however, to discount the legitimate danger of the situation. I find it amazing that there are people out there who see the same events that I did - 4 jetliners filled with innocent people used as missiles aimed at thousands more innocent people, and credible evidence that there's a network of terrorists continuing to plan and execute attacks - who are discounting the dangers of terrorism.

Amazing.

 

[Bob Peale]

Re: SD, Bob Peale's right...

Perhaps you're right. But even so, should I really be less angered by this attack because there were 3000 instead of 40,000 in the buildings when they collapsed? Should I be less worried about the possibility of future attacks because fewer people died in this attack than was originally feared?

That about sums it up for me. I think the point is, it is as tragic, as catastropic, wheter it is 1 person or 10,000. I wouldn't have taken it any less seriously.

 

[Spinaroonie]

It's too bad you weren't mooning NYC at impact point.

What? Because something BAD happened I can't criticize the media? The Media who first pointed the fingers towards the Middle East? The media who have made it their purpose to not allow criticisms of our President to be aired in any way shape or form?

The media who often acts as bigger Terrorists than the whole Al Qaeda network? "Terrorists are coming for us! It's armageddon! Anthrax is crawling through the mail! And it's Everywhere- and the next stop is SMALLPOX which will kill ever man, woman and child on earth grusomely before infecting everybody in a fifty mile radius. Don't open your mail, don't take public transportation, don't trust Muslims- except for our anchors who happen to be Muslims- they're the good ones." That media?

 

[Calamity Jane]

- and the next stop is SMALLPOX which will kill ever man, woman and child on earth grusomely before infecting everybody in a fifty mile radius.

How can smallpox kill everyone before infecting that 50 mile radius you talk about?

I'm no great fan of the mass media... but I do think that posting unsubstantiated claims about what the media has or has not said is irresponsible and immature.

Where're the links, the articles, etc that would convince us that you speak the truth about the misinformation you claim is so rampant?

 

[Spinaroonie]

How can smallpox kill everyone before infecting that 50 mile radius you talk about?

That was me making fun of them and their way of stretching and bending the truth to fruther scare people.

Just turn on the news, they show people gearing up for the worst, buying gas maks (Then the media tells us that they won't work for 'thrax or 'pox). Instead they tell us to tape up our windows and doors, making them air tight (What we do for oxygen in these rooms, who knows?) to be protected from any "poisonous cloud" that may drift down our street. Then we can all emerge from our air-tight rooms, and step outside and inhale what poisons are still in the air and THEN die, or we can have an Omega man-like existance

 

[registered "^^"]

I'm more concerned with the neutron bomb KM has been fucking with in her basement!

 

[Guest]

Please don't criticize the President.

 

[Rick DeVille]

Whining about the exact number of casualties doesn't bring any of them back.

Fuck, I'm arguing with a paranoid idiot, I must be hungover!

 

[Spinaroonie]

Whining about the exact number of casualties doesn't bring any of them back.

Fuck, I'm arguing with a paranoid idiot, I must be hungover!

I am NOT Paranoid! Idiot is debateable

 

[Guest]

At last we meet, SD! You're the last stumbling block to the unfettered control of the minds of America. But curse you, you're on to my evil scheme.

You somehow recognize that it's actually ME and not Al Qaeda that the real threat here. For this you must perish! How did you know that I made the whole anthrax thing up to scare people? I thought I did a pretty convincing job.

And how about those World Trade Center Attacks? You saw right through me to see that there's no danger at all - no danger except for ME, that is!

I'm calling you outside. You and me(dia). Mano e mano.

A fight to the death.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Please don't criticize the President.

Ohhhh I'm sorry, Mr. Westinghaus, General Electric and Microsoft, but, Executive Privilidge wasn't taken to well when Jefferson did it, it shouldn't be taken as lightly now.

 

[Rick DeVille]

I am NOT Paranoid!

I think you are but are you paranoid enough?

 

[Calamity Jane]

Where're the links, the articles, etc that would convince us that you speak the truth about the misinformation you claim is so rampant?

so? any evidence of your claims, or are you pulling a ppman?

 

[Spinaroonie]

At last we meet, SD! You're the last stumbling block to the unfettered control of the minds of America. But curse you, you're on to my evil scheme.

You somehow recognize that it's actually ME and not Al Qaeda that the real threat here. For this you must perish! How did you know that I made the whole anthrax thing up to scare people? I thought I did a pretty convincing job.

And how about those World Trade Center Attacks? You saw right through me to see that there's no danger at all - no danger except for ME, that is!

I'm calling you outside. You and me(dia). Mano e mano.

A fight to the death.

As amusing this is, you are extrapolating.

Yes, it is was a terrible thing that Those 19 men(?) did on that fateful day. But, the Media is and has been scaring people longer and more efficiently than anybody else.

Granted, softimes the fear has been helpful, How many poeple have seen AIDS stories on the news and then thought twice? Scares the bejesus out of me.

But you have also been a terrorist as well. I'm surprised that you haven't been constantly reminding us about the chemical weapons that Saddam supposedly has. Remember how you told us how they could just send it over here and destroy cities? They're still all here.

You also keep suggesting thigns they could do. How long until they start watching you and get even better ideas to watch? We all know that your ex-fav Saddam was watching CNN... I mean look how much attention you gave to the "weaknesses" of our water supplies, harkening it back to the 60's when you told us that the evil hippies were gonna put LSD in our water systems. My town of 20K now has a person living day and night at our watertanks, just incase somebody decideds to put anthrax in it.

But what can we do? You're gonna keep coming at everybody. Plus you give us top-notch sitcoms. Not to mention Conan.

Come to daddy.

 

[Problem Child]

What? Because something BAD happened I can't criticize the media? The Media who first pointed the fingers towards the Middle East? The media who have made it their purpose to not allow criticisms of our President to be aired in any way shape or form?

The media who often acts as bigger Terrorists than the whole Al Qaeda network? "Terrorists are coming for us! It's armageddon! Anthrax is crawling through the mail! And it's Everywhere- and the next stop is SMALLPOX which will kill ever man, woman and child on earth grusomely before infecting everybody in a fifty mile radius. Don't open your mail, don't take public transportation, don't trust Muslims- except for our anchors who happen to be Muslims- they're the good ones." That media?

No...mostly because you're a moron that makes wild claims without any facts to back them up.

The media never said anything like what you've posted here. Even if they did say some of the crazy shit you're are claiming, if you can't watch television or read a newspaper with enough judgement and deliberation to figure out what's hype and what's not, then maybe you ought to just stick with D&D and Harry Potter.

I hear they're less conducive to paranoia.

 

[Spinaroonie]

I think you are but are you paranoid enough?

Good Question. You're alright, Rick

 

[Guest]

Fucking poser

 

[tmuyo]

so? any evidence of your claims, or are you pulling a ppman?

roflmfao