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Career Day Speaker Tells Children Stripping Is Lucrative
Exotic Dancers Make More Depending On Bust Size, Speaker Says

POSTED: 8:33 am EST January 14, 2005

SAN FRANCISCO -- School officials in Palo Alto are reconsidering their use of a popular speaker for an annual career day after he advised middle school students that they could earn a good living as strip dancers.

William Fried told eighth-graders at Jane Lathrop Stanford Middle School that stripping and exotic dancing could be lucrative career moves for girls, offering as much as $250,000 or more per year, depending on their bust size.

"It's sick, but it's true," Fried, president of Foster City's Precision Selling, a management consulting firm, told The Associated Press. "The truth of the matter is you can earn a tremendous amount of money as an exotic dancer, if that's your desire."

The school has asked Fried to give his 55-minute presentation, "The Secret of a Happy Life," for the past three years.

A tip sheet he distributes to students includes a list of 140 potential careers and areas of interest they can consider pursuing. Along with professions as accounting and nursing, the list offers such nontraditional suggestions as exotic dancing, stripping and acting as a spiritual medium.

He counsels students to experiment with a variety of interests until they discover their "life's purpose," something they love and excel in. The presentation and handout have been praised by students, school principal Joseph Di Salvo and others said.

Fried's presentation "helped me realize that my career choice should not be influenced by money," one student wrote in a thank-you letter. "It should be influenced by what we like and are good at."

But on Tuesday, some students asked Fried to expand on why he included "exotic dancing" on the list.

Fried spent about a minute answering questions, defining strippers and exotic dancers synonymously. He told students, "For every two inches up there, you should get another $50,000 on your salary," student Jason Garcia, 14, said.

"A couple of students egged him and he took it hook, line and sinker," said Di Salvo, who also said the students took advantage of a substitute teacher overseeing the session.

Di Salvo heard about the exchange when the mother of a student called him the next morning. She said she was outraged when her son announced that he was forgoing college for a career in a field he truly loves -- fishing -- and said she found Fried's handout even more disconcerting.

Di Salvo, who has since heard from another parent, said Fried's overall presentation is a positive one. The mention of exotic dancing and Fried's off-the-cuff remarks, however, have prompted him to consider barring the speaker from next year's career day.

The principal said he would send letters of apology home with students.

"It's totally inappropriate," Di Salvo said. "It's not OK by me. I would want my presenters to kind of understand that coming into a career day for eighth-graders."

School board member Mandy Lowell didn't expect Fried's comment to cause lasting damage but said the speaker didn't adhere to the message of achievement the district is trying to promote.

"I don't think that your natural or implant-inflated bust size is what our schools aim to nurture," she said. "My aspiration is not to have children in this district become exotic dancers."

District superintendent Mary Frances Callan did not immediately return two telephone calls seeking comment.

Despite the uproar, many students said Fried was the most inspiring speaker in a lineup that included a pilot, an attorney, a classical pianist and a journalist.

"He really focused on finding what you really love to do," said Mariah Cannon, 13.

Cannon also said she wouldn't want exotic dancing taken off Fried's list. Although parents might find it hard to hear, it's a legitimate career choice, she said.

Student Tom Marks, 13, said he found some of Fried's comments "weird and unnecessary" but still thinks he should return next year.

"I don't think he should have gone into all the details," he said. "I just got upset that he talked about it so much."

Fried, 64, said he does not think he offended anyone.

"Eighth-grade kids are not dumb," he said. "They are pretty worldly."
 
My friend put herself through college stripping. Good tips. She talked me in to joining her one night when one of her "colleagues" reported off. Even with no experience in exotic dancing beyond the typical dance floor tease/grind, I made $300 in tips for about 3 hours' work -- plus minimum wage pay.

Still, it's not a long-term career choice. :rolleyes:
 
Those kind of stories are carried in San Francisco papers with "Only in the Bay Area" labels. They take pride in these kind of stories.

In most cities, sex shops are in seedy parts of town, owned by four hundred pound guys with cousins in the Mafia. In San Francisco, they are in the nicer parts of town, owned by six foot three inch women with Ph.D.'s in Education, and have monthly couple's seminars.

In the late 80's, a friend invited me to join her on an outing to a strip club to see her best friend at her new job. Damn business trip interfered.
 
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She talked me in to joining her one night when one of her "colleagues" reported off.
Umm, was any video made that night? Reaching for credit card
 
When I wnet to high school, they NEVER talked about striptease dancer as an occupation. They did tell me that, if I could cover the tight end as well in college as I did in high school, I had a scholarship made!
 
I've spent a lot of time over the last twenty years in strip clubs. It's a (poor) substitute for the intimacy I don't get in real life.

I've gotten to know a lot of the women who work in the business over that time. Like any group of people they cover a wide range of personalities.

But I wouldn't recommend it as a career. The competition and dominance rituals can be quite fearsome. There are a lot of men who think because the women are on public display they are available for public consumption. The attitude of owners and managers is usually quite poor. There are a lot of drugs floating through that world.

And it's really something you have to keep hidden from friends and family. Most people conflate stripper with prostitute. They figure you must have very, very low morals if you take your clothes off for a living.

And Mr. Freid has really inflated the money you can make. Most women are lucky to make enough to live on.

Also not mentioned is the psychological baggage that goes with the job. Stripping is an outsider's job and being an outsider can be very wearisome.
 
I rather dislike the idea of a 'career day' for middle-school children. I don't get prompting young adolescents about their "future" in that way. I never even formally spoke to my sons about careers or jobs, only when they asked. I couldn't help being disappointed when my older son didn't want to go to college right after h.s., he wanted to just make money and live on his own, but I never said a word. He began uni. at 23 and was on the dean's honor roll first term. Now he's 30 and still does not have a career but I am proud of him and know he will have a good life; same with his brother.

The man in Palo Alto made a mistake going as far as he did, esp. reinforcing how much better off women might be with bigger boobs, but he seems to take things a bit more refreshingly than most. In my uni. job I talk to lots of students fretting about what major to declare (esp. those who shouldn't even be in college yet), whether to go to graduate school, etc. I tell them all they have plenty of time to make such decisions, just enjoy your classes, make friends, work when you can, and see what comes to them after four years.

Perdita
 
I thought it was crass and insensitive. Not neccessaryily for extoling the job of an exotic dancer, i know some women who do it and love it. But eigth grader girls are going to be hitting puberty soon. AS if that isn't hard enough on any child, lets make sure she's fretting over how big her boobs get to be as well.

It's a very sad commentary on this world when adults cannot stand to let kids be kids for as long as they can. Considering what I know of adulthood, it comes too soon and never leaves. You are only allowed to be a kid once, why the all fired hurry to end it?

I really don't understand that.
 
Because, Colleen, we live in a society almost as economically determinist as the most Marxist nations.

You aren't who you are, you're what you do.
 
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