Captain America? Say it ain't so!

[Guest]

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[JamesSD]

He won't stay dead.

 

[slyc_willie]

I don't know what turns me on more . . . your AV or the fact that you know so much about comic books.

I stopped collecting comics when John Byrne finished his run on the revamped Superman. I've caught a few things here and there, but didn't care for the 'X-treme' take both Marvel and DC were taking with their characters. Overnight, everyone was wearing leather and mortality rates went sky-high. the four-color days of the seventies and eighties were gone.

I remember the whole Jean Grey/Phoenix saga and thought it was the most intricate and compelling storyline ever invented. But when it was revealed that Phoenix had not been Jean Grey at all, just a simulacrum, I thought that was a pretty cheesy way to bring someone back.

Will Cap stay dead? I doubt it. That super-soldier serum will do something in his body, kick in, and turn him into a powerhouse. Just wait.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I thought for sure this was going to be they make him gay.

 

[Guest]

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[starrkers]

You mean he isn't gay??

 

[Tom Collins]

Ok, one question...

Why is there a Nazi chick bending over him?

 

[TE999]

I thought for sure this was going to be they make him gay.

The last time Cap came back in the 70's, he cried for Bucky so much you wondered if something was going on between them. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

A whining necrophile made a lousy superhero.

He got over it though.

Like willie says, he'll be back.

 

[jomar]

Like a bad soap opera either he'll come back or someone else will pick up the costume. It ain't over.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Ok, one question...

Why is there a Nazi chick bending over him?

She must be an employee of the Abteilung der Heimatsicherheit (Department of Homeland Security.)

 

[Guest]

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[slyc_willie]

That's Sharon Carter, S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 13.

Good person.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/sweetsubsarahh/Sharon_Carter_001.jpg

Sharon Carter . . . wasn't she Ms. Marvel?

 

[Guest]

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[Boxlicker101]

Ok, one question...

Why is there a Nazi chick bending over him?

Setting aside the fact that she isn't, why would you think she is a Nazi? She looks like she's wearing some kind of wet suit.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Sharon Carter . . . wasn't she Ms. Marvel?

If you mean Mary Marvel, no. That was Mary Batson, the sister of Billy Batson, who was Captain Marvel. This was in the 40's and 50's, long before "Ms." was used.

 

[slyc_willie]

If you mean Mary Marvel, no. That was Mary Batson, the sister of Billy Batson, who was Captain Marvel. This was in the 40's and 50's, long before "Ms." was used.

No, that's DC. Ms. Marvel was Marvel, and Sarah was right. It was Danvers.

But there was a sharon something who was a Marvel something that became Ms. Thing . . . oh, I'm getting confused . . . .

 

[Guest]

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[blackhaus7]

I think it was because of this patch on her sleeve - the S.H.I.E.L.D. emblem.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/sweetsubsarahh/Shield.jpg


S.H.I.E.L.D. (Supreme Headquarters International Espionage Law-enforcement Division) is an extra-government intelligence and security organization dedicated to protecting the nations and peoples of Earth from all threats, terrestrial or extraterrestrial. S.H.I.E.L.D. was organized in the early 1960s to meet the threat of the highly technological subversive organization called Hydra. The identities of the organization’s founders, its Executive Board, have never been revealed. S.H.I.E.L.D.’s first known Executive Director was Colonel Nicholas Fury, an ex-World War II commando and C.I.A. operative. S.H.I.E.L.D.’s Supreme Headquarters is the huge mobile Helicarrier, but there are also regional offices in all the major cities of the free world and several secret bases in Communist countries. Although most of S.H.I.E.L.D.’s operations are covert, the organization’s existence is known to general public. S.H.I.E.L.D. even maintains public offices in several cities. Only a few of the several thousand S.H.I.E.L.D. operatives active throughout the world are known.

I still prefer the United Network Command for Law and Enforcement. Puzzles me how Illya became a bespectacled forensics doc.

 

[Tom Collins]

I think it was because of this patch on her sleeve - the S.H.I.E.L.D. emblem.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/sweetsubsarahh/Shield.jpg

Yeah, that's exactly why. That sure does look awfully like one of the Nazi insignias(sp?) to me, though it seems like it ought to be red instead of black.

 

[3113]

Dead huh? I doubt it.

There's a comic book rule. No one is ever dead...not so long as the company wants to keep the name copywrited (which means there HAS to be a Captain America or they lose the copywrite on the name)...and so long as some fan who loves a character (like Steve Rogers) is likely to become a comic book writer in ten years and say, "I know what will revitialized Captain American's sales! Let's bring back Steve Rogers! I know he's dead, but I bet there's a way to bring him back...."

I will say this, however, they've certainly gotten an excellent artist on the book. That's really stunning artwork there.

 

[Trombonus]

Let us not forget Optimus Prime. He was supposedly killed six times, but only actually died twice in the original Marvel Comic. The first time they believed Optimus to be dead, but in fact his head had been separated from his body, and was being held captive by Shockwave. The second turned out to be a hoax he cooked up to see if the other Autobots could survive without his leadership. It was an unfortunate turn of events that sent him back to Cybertron when he shoved Megatron onto a disappearing space bridge. Trapped on Cybertron, the Earthbound Autobots struggled without him. Another misguided asumption was during the epic TARGET 2006 storyline (this was written back in 1986). Galvatron and his two underlings Cyclonus and Scourge travelled back in time. In order to do this though, he had to send three beings of equal size and mass to a place known only as Limbo. He chose Optimus Prime, Prowl and Rathcet. The other Autobots, knowing nothing of this development, believed Optiomus to be dead.

Not long afterwards, Optimus was actually killed for the first time. It was during a battle between he and the Protectabots vs. Megatron and the Combaticons. They battled it out in a virtual world, in order to avoid damaging the lab they were battling in. An added stipulation was that the losing teams leader would be blown up. The Protectabots all succeeded in defeating the Combaticons, and Optimus had the upper hand over Megatron. However, Megatron had learned of a secret code that he used to save himself from death. He appeared behind Prima and blasted him, mangling his arm and forcing him to hang from the edge of a pit with his other one. Optimus managed to save himself, shaking free some of the surrounding area and sending Megatron to his death as well. Unfortunately, by doing sop he also sacrificed some of the games inncocent NPC's. In an act of pure selflessness, and a moment truly defining him, Prime declared himself the loser, and was blown up. A few years later, the Autobots would travel to the planet of Nebulos to ressurrect him. They had founf that Ethan Zachary, the architect behind the virtual battle, had saved Primes mind onto a floppy disc. The Autobots retrieved the disc and went to build him a new body. Unfortunately, Prime believed he was merely a character in a video game, not a living being. Due to prior involvement of the Transformers on Nebulos, they had poisoned all their fuel sources, so when he was reactivated, he almost immediately keeled over, and almost died. Realizing he couldn't possibly feel pain if he wasn't truly alive, he thanked Goldbug, the Autobot who was in charge of ressurrecting him, for allowing him to live once again, even if it was only for a few moments. Hi Q, a Nebulan scientist, seeing that Prime was a benevolent being of high calibur, opted to undergo the Powermaster process and bond with Prime. Three other Autobots did the same, and thus the Powermasters were born, and Optimus lived again.

The fifth instance was during the Time Wars. Future Decepticon leader Soundwave brought a team of Decepticons back to the past, meaning Optimus and several other Autobots had to be sent to Limbo. Unfortunately, the Autobots still didn't realize he'd been sent to Limbo, and not killed, so they attacked a group of future Autobots, that also came back in time. Later it was shown the Prime had not died, when he forceflly returned to fight Galvatron. This had the nasty side effect of accelerating a time rift, that threatened to consume the universe. Eventually, it was discovered that sending Galvatron, Cyclonus and Scourge into the rift would close it. They did so, and the universe was saved.

The final time occured at the end of the Transformers run. A malevolent being known as the Swarm had been devouring cybertronians, and Prime was it's last target. When the Swarm devoured him, it made contact with the Matrix, and turned good. It recreated HiQ, who had not only bonded with Prime, but had merged minds with him, and turned him into Optimus Prime once again.

I'm not even going to go inot how many times other TF's have died and come back. It happens a lot.

 

[S-Des]

In 1993, DC Comics killed off Superman in a highly publicized event. The issue of his death, in which he is struck down by a superpowered monster from space, raised sales of Superman comics worldwide. Nary a year passed before Superman re-appeared alive and well (though with long hair ... ick).

That was the best comic I'd ever read (his fight against Doomsday). The fact that they immediately ran this ridiculous, "Soul stuck in limbo only to be saved by his dead father" was a terrible excuse to bring him back. However, the follow-up issues were absolutely brilliant. There were several Superman pretenders out trying to take his place (one of them was evil and trying to enslave mankind). Then the big guy comes back, sans powers, to foil the scheme (after LA had been completely wiped out, killing everyone). Unfortunately, they couldn't keep up that level of quality and I stopped reading the comics shortly after.

 

[3113]

Let us not forget Optimus Prime. He was supposedly killed six times, but only actually died twice in the original Marvel Comic. The first time they believed Optimus to be dead, but in fact his head had been separated from his body, and was being held captive by Shockwave. The second turned out to be a hoax he cooked up to see if the other Autobots could survive without his leadership...The final time occured at the end of the Transformers run. A malevolent being known as the Swarm had been devouring cybertronians, and Prime was it's last target. When the Swarm devoured him, it made contact with the Matrix, and turned good. It recreated HiQ, who had not only bonded with Prime, but had merged minds with him, and turned him into Optimus Prime once again.

(Whispers) Dude, your fiery "L" is showing there on your forehead! Quick! Say something un-geek-like before the jocks come after you!

 

[Remec]

Let us not forget Optimus Prime. <SNIP>

Do robots really count in discussions of coming back from the dead?

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I wouldn't worry, Sarrah. He'll be back. They can rebuild him, just like the six million dollar man. He'll show up with a bionic penis or something.