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thetwolezz

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"Daddy's Hands"



Mark feels nauseated whenever he remembers that night. He was hit over 60 times and his brother, Nate, over 200 with a mattock handle. Nate went into shock. Mark didn't. A boy who became a compulsive counter to handle the stress, Mark counted every stroke. His and Nate's. While their father screamed obscenities and his brother screamed in pain. Every 20 strokes, their mother wiped their faces off in the tub. Nate passed out anyway. That was Christmas Day.



A mattock is a pick-hoe using a wooden handle heavier than a bat. The father swung it with both hands like a ballplayer and with all his might. "The first blow stunned your whole body," says Mark. "By the third blow, your backside was so tender, even the lightest strike was agonizing, but he'd still hit you like he wanted to put it over the fence. By 20, though, you'd have grown numb with pain. That was when my father would quit and start on my brother. Later, when the feeling had returned and it hurt worse than before, he'd do it again. "After 40 strokes, I was weak and nauseous and very pale. My body hurt terribly. Then it was Nate's turn. He got 40 each time. "I staggered to the bathtub where my mom was wetting a towel to swab my face. Behind me, I could hear the mattock and my brother was choking and moaning. He was crying and he wouldn't stop." The voice in the phone halts. After an awkward moment, clearing of throats, it continues: "Then I heard my father shouting my name. My mom was right there, but she wouldn't help me. It hurt so badly during the third beating that I kept wanting to drop so he would hit me in the head. I was hoping I'd be knocked out, or killed...anything to end the pain. "After that...it was waiting that was terrible. You didn't know if, when he was done with Nate, he'd hurt you again. I was shaking in a cold panic. Twenty-five years since it happened, and the same sick feeling in my stomach comes back now..." Did he? Come back to you?



"No. He just kept beating Nate. It went on and on and on. I remember the sharp sound of the blows and how finally my brother stopped screaming... "It was very quiet. All I could think of was would he do that to me now. I could see my brother lying there in shock, and I knew in a moment it would be my turn. "I can't describe the basic animal fear you have in your gut at a time like that. Where someone has complete power over you. And they're hurting you. And there is no escape. No way out. If your mom couldn't help you...I can't explain it to anyone except perhaps a survivor from a POW camp." Last year, Nate accused his father of child abuse in the national media. The information was presented as a footnote to the larger story of the mans anti-gay campaign. But the deep currents that lie beneath the apparent apple-cheeks of the clan were stirring. A series of interviews with Nate resulted in an eyewitness account of life growing up in the camp. These reports contained allegations of persistent and poisonous child abuse, wife-beating, drug addiction, kidnapping, terrorism, wholesale tax fraud, and business fraud. In addition, Nate described the cult-like disassembly of young adult identities into shadow-souls, using physical and emotional coercion- coercion which may have been a leading factor in the suicide of an emotionally troubled teenage girl.



The second son, Mark, who according to his sisters was at one time heir to the throne, had refused comment during the earlier spate of news coverage. He and Nate have both left and now live within four blocks of each other on the West Coast. But, like the icy water that waits off sunny California beaches, the deepest currents sometimes rise and now Mark has surfaced with a decision.



"My father," says the 39 year-old, now a parent himself, "is addicted to hate. Why? I can't say. But I know he has to let it out. As rage. In doing so, he has violated the sacred trust of a parent and a pastor. "I'm not trying to hurt my father. And I'm not trying to save him. I'm going to tell what happened because I've decided it's the only way I can overcome my past: to drag it into the light and break its chains."



Mark believes that his father, no longer able to hate and abuse his adult children if he hopes to keep them near, by necessity now must turn all his protean anger outward against his community. Mark has decided to tell the truth about his father so that others will be warned. He and his brother have now come forward with specific and detailed stories, alarming tales, ones that could be checked and have been verified. Mark's testimony supports Nate's previously, and both men's statements have been confirmed by a third child. In addition, the Capital- Journal has uncovered documents which substantiate this testimony, and interviewed dozens of relevant witnesses who have confirmed much of this information. "One of my earliest memories...," the voice in the phone pauses, painful to remember: "was the big ol' German shepherd that belonged to our neighbors. One day it was in our yard and my father went out and blew it apart with his shotgun."



Mark says he has no memories prior to age five. "Living in that house was like being in a war zone, where things were unpredictable and things were very violent. And there was a person who was violent who did what he wanted to do. And that was to hurt people, or break things, or throw a fit, or whatever he wanted to do, that's what he did. And there was nobody there to say different."


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Don't be ashamed of love. Be ashamed of hate.
 
I am familiar with Phelps, thanks ;)
I take great pleasure in knowing the man is obviously never actually happy

He's SO over the top...I cannot believe someone hasn't "put him away" or "done away" with him.

For anyone who somehow doesn't know...he's the i-dot responsible for picketing at Mathew Shepard's funeral...and at the soldier's funerals recently from Iraq...and SO much more.

This is the reason I take issue with someone thinking that flamboyant men are disgusting and "ruining things" for us "normal" gays. As far as asshole is concerned, we're all in the same boat and he's right. We should be sticking together. It's not about getting attention or who we have sex with or whether or not someone considers us a "normal" gay. It's about loving someone of the same sex. Or just loving someone.
 
So remember the tornados a while back that flew through Missouri and killed 10 people? Yeah, that was my hometown and I knew some of those people.
Fred Phelps and his posse showed up at the funerals saying we have sinned and are being punished by these natural disasters.
There is a bikers group however though that has been following them around. They block the protestors line of vision with their bikes and rev them up if the protesting gets too loud. Totally awesome of them.
But I like the way my mom put it, "I've got a list of sins a mile long and my house literally got skipped over. What about that Fred?" haha.
 
I hope there's a special place in hell for that asshole and his sheeple followers. :mad: That is great about the motorcycle group.
 
I was glad to see that this thread died so quickly. I think most questioned what was the "News" (we have long ago discussed Mr. Phelps and know all about him) - then again, what was the "Issue" being discussed??? And most, I think, found only a strangely unpleasant order lingering here and kept away. I have given this "strange oder" some thought, and in an effort to garner at least something from all of this and put this thread to bed I see at least one "Issue" that might be worthy to consider.

The question is this; Is there a "homosexual bigotry" that exists in this country?

What exactly is bigotry? My little desktop Webster's says; "bigot - One intolerant of or prejudiced against those of differing religious beliefs, political opinions, etc." I think that can be expanded to say that it is also the intolerance and hatred of people who differ from ourself in regards to race, sexual orientation, gender, and virtually all of the things that we humans think and do. In fact, is it not bigotry that divides humans into clans, tribes, factions and nations and is the root cause of all strife?

But as to the question regarding a "homosexual bigotry"; What form would this bigotry take - and how might it be manifested?

We are all aware of the bigotry against homosexuals that people like Mr. Phelps (and his kind) exhibit. The hate, the calls for there to be a "killing" of gays/lesbians. The intolerance shown by these people towards others who have done nothing personally to them, except perhaps hold a different opinion (and to use "in your face" tactics to express those views that most people find abrasive). But, does a similar "hate" exist within the "tolerant" homosexual community? I think that if we are honest with ourselves we must answer yes. While we decry people like Phelps as "monsters" and congratulate ourselves on our own tolerance, have we not painted ourself with the same stripes? And has not this painting been done by our own words?

I offer just a few examples from this single thread that confirms that this is in fact the case (NOTE! this is NOT meant to imply that these posts are the only ones that show bigotry - nor to embarrass/insult anyone- I'm sure a quote from everyone here (especially me) could be found - these just happen to be handy.);

There has been an oft quoted cliche floating around of late about the virtues of Love.
Don't be ashamed of love. Be ashamed of hate.

And yet, in the same breath are words, not of love, but hate.
I am familiar with Phelps, thanks ;)
I take great pleasure in knowing the man is obviously never actually happy

And even the insinuation that someone of differing opinions and tactics than ourself should be assassinated!
...I cannot believe someone hasn't "put him away" or "done away" with him.

And the one that seems most cruel; the hope that fellow human beings might be relegated to the worst kind of eternal suffering simply because they are mentally unstable!
I hope there's a special place in hell for that asshole and his sheeple followers. :mad: .

And all of this (and more) simply because we do not agree with their religious or political beliefs nor their method of expression of their right to free speech! Is this not a classic definition of bigotry?

So what is the "Issue" - what is the "point"? Simply this, when I go in search of a bigot, I need only venture to the mirror and there he will be looking at me. We are all bigots to a degree! We each hold our differing opinions on a variety of issues. The problem is not the differing opinions - no the problem is the level of intolerance shown toward those who differ from us. And the form of expression that intolerance takes.

IMO, it was this odor of "intolerance" expressed as hatred that I smelled with this thread. And if I can smell it, what about those non-homosexuals that stumble upon our words - will they applaud our oft proclaimed "tolerance"?

If we are really serious about changing opinions held regarding GLBT people, we might think to look to our "tactics". And to consider the end goal and how best to achieve it. Shall we change more opinions by angrily screaming about how tolerant we are - or, by showing true tolerance even toward those who we might disagree with?

And since everyone likes to talk about love, here is a very famous quote worthy of some consideration I think;

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you; Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."
 
I was glad to see that this thread died so quickly. I think most questioned what was the "News" (we have long ago discussed Mr. Phelps and know all about him) - then again, what was the "Issue" being discussed??? And most, I think, found only a strangely unpleasant order lingering here and kept away. I have given this "strange oder" some thought, and in an effort to garner at least something from all of this and put this thread to bed I see at least one "Issue" that might be worthy to consider.

The question is this; Is there a "homosexual bigotry" that exists in this country?

What exactly is bigotry? My little desktop Webster's says; "bigot - One intolerant of or prejudiced against those of differing religious beliefs, political opinions, etc." I think that can be expanded to say that it is also the intolerance and hatred of people who differ from ourself in regards to race, sexual orientation, gender, and virtually all of the things that we humans think and do. In fact, is it not bigotry that divides humans into clans, tribes, factions and nations and is the root cause of all strife?

But as to the question regarding a "homosexual bigotry"; What form would this bigotry take - and how might it be manifested?

We are all aware of the bigotry against homosexuals that people like Mr. Phelps (and his kind) exhibit. The hate, the calls for there to be a "killing" of gays/lesbians. The intolerance shown by these people towards others who have done nothing personally to them, except perhaps hold a different opinion (and to use "in your face" tactics to express those views that most people find abrasive). But, does a similar "hate" exist within the "tolerant" homosexual community? I think that if we are honest with ourselves we must answer yes. While we decry people like Phelps as "monsters" and congratulate ourselves on our own tolerance, have we not painted ourself with the same stripes? And has not this painting been done by our own words?

I offer just a few examples from this single thread that confirms that this is in fact the case (NOTE! this is NOT meant to imply that these posts are the only ones that show bigotry - nor to embarrass/insult anyone- I'm sure a quote from everyone here (especially me) could be found - these just happen to be handy.);

There has been an oft quoted cliche floating around of late about the virtues of Love.


And yet, in the same breath are words, not of love, but hate.


And even the insinuation that someone of differing opinions and tactics than ourself should be assassinated!


And the one that seems most cruel; the hope that fellow human beings might be relegated to the worst kind of eternal suffering simply because they are mentally unstable!


And all of this (and more) simply because we do not agree with their religious or political beliefs nor their method of expression of their right to free speech! Is this not a classic definition of bigotry?

So what is the "Issue" - what is the "point"? Simply this, when I go in search of a bigot, I need only venture to the mirror and there he will be looking at me. We are all bigots to a degree! We each hold our differing opinions on a variety of issues. The problem is not the differing opinions - no the problem is the level of intolerance shown toward those who differ from us. And the form of expression that intolerance takes.

IMO, it was this odor of "intolerance" expressed as hatred that I smelled with this thread. And if I can smell it, what about those non-homosexuals that stumble upon our words - will they applaud our oft proclaimed "tolerance"?

If we are really serious about changing opinions held regarding GLBT people, we might think to look to our "tactics". And to consider the end goal and how best to achieve it. Shall we change more opinions by angrily screaming about how tolerant we are - or, by showing true tolerance even toward those who we might disagree with?

And since everyone likes to talk about love, here is a very famous quote worthy of some consideration I think;

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you; Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."

Ah nah, sorry, but that's a bunch of CRAP.
Even those heterosexuals you speak of know hate when they see it. Those signs that he produces...he's serious about wishing all fags were in hell. If I was given a choice to have him put to death, I wouldn't do it. There's a big difference. He wants us to hate him. He encourages it. So I guess we all do fall into his trap...but us being human beings, and all, we understand that just because he wants us to do it, doesn't mean we won't. We are who we are. Homos are human, too, good gosh!
So this wasn't "news worthy" to YOU. Pass it on by and don't bother, right? I wasn't aware of the "many threads" about Fred cuz I'm a newbie, as you can see.
Thanks for your comments. I am now enlightened.
 
I wouldn't wish ill things on someone I disagreed with, and I am in HUGE disagreeance with this man. So because of that train of thought, I kind of get what your saying, but let me ask you: what was your point? So you didn't think this particular thread offered value to you, obviously we had something to say so we did. If a particular "stench" bothers you, walk away.
If we can't have multiple threads about a particular person who is talked about in media often, than why do we have multiple threads about cocks? Why is one more relavent than the other? We talk about whatever strikes our fancy, sometimes that requires multiple threads.
IMO, thetwolezz was sharing an article and that was that. If you don't think it belongs in this particular board, say something to a moderator. Personally, like I already mentioned, as someone talked about in the media often, I don't think it's innapropriate for it to be in News and Issues.
 
I wouldn't wish ill things on someone I disagreed with, and I am in HUGE disagreeance with this man. So because of that train of thought, I kind of get what your saying, but let me ask you: what was your point? .

AA,
First, your posts and comments confirm that you wouldn't wish ill even on someone like Mr. Phelps - and I applaud that.

I guess my point was to turn the light on some of our own words of intolerance. And perhaps cause us all to pause and ask ourselves; "Are we really tolerant of ALL others and their civil rights - or does that tolerance only extend to those we agree with?" It's a good question to ask ourselves every once in awhile I think, because at the point we allow our disagreement with the likes of Phelps to cause us to be infected with his own illness of hate - at that point we have lost sight of the higher path of tolerance (not to mention the even higher path of love toward all humans). We are then in danger of becoming a hypocrite. It is something all of us have to be on guard against because it is a very easy thing for us humans to succumb to.


IMO, true love is to be able to look at someone like Phelps and say; "I wonder what evil came into the life of this man to warp him so? Who transformed him from a happy loving baby boy into a maniac filled with hate? Surely he did not come to be this way on his own. Can I hate his words and actions, but still find it in my heart to pity him - to even love him as I would love any person with a sickness?" To the degree that we can rise higher than people like this and allow others to see our true tolerance - at that point we win the battles. But if we become like him and allow our anger at his words to become hatred of his soul - then we have simply become like him.

And you are right, every post is valid and allowed and encouraged. My only point here was to note that the thread had received almost no comments and then I tried to reflect as to why.
 
IMO, some threads just don't get a lot of attention. That happens sometimes.
I've never seen reason to talk about a thread's "stench" because of lack of replies. To me, it was just offensive to the people who had participated in the thread.
But hey, I think at this point we may be beating a dead horse...
 
IMO, some threads just don't get a lot of attention. That happens sometimes.
I've never seen reason to talk about a thread's "stench" because of lack of replies. To me, it was just offensive to the people who had participated in the thread.
But hey, I think at this point we may be beating a dead horse...

Actually, I don't think we're beating a dead horse - you're bring up some valid points.

It was not my attempt to single out anyone to offend, I tried to use many examples (and admitted that if I were not so lazy I could find many from my own words). But, perhaps I should have used another metaphor instead of "stench".

However, is it just me that found the angry expressions against Phelps to be offensive and out of step with the tolerance we all ask of others? I mean, the call for an assassination and an eternal hell were made. What is your own opinion as to the larger question I raised about a certain intolerance within parts of the homosexual community. All fluffy words and hyperbole aside, that is the only real point and question in my post.
 
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