Can we please not?

[Wilson23]

It is always better to avoid a war than to win it, providing the price of avoiding it is not too high -- that is always a political judgment.

The U.S. does not need a war with Venezuela. We have nothing to gain by it. They pose no threat to us, economic or strategic or political. They are not the center of a spreading wave of revolutionary leftism. They are not a part of America's drug problem -- cocaine is not produced in Venezuela, and what is shipped through is mostly bound for Europe, let them deal with it if they want to.

The invasion of Iraq turned into a prolonged, bloody, expensive quagmire. What reason do we have to believe things would go any better in Venezuela?

 

[Rightguide]

It is always better to avoid a war than to win it, providing the price of avoiding it is not too high -- that is always a political judgment.

The U.S. does not need a war with Venezuela. We have nothing to gain by it. They pose no threat to us, economic or strategic or political. They are not the center of a spreading wave of revolutionary leftism. They are not a part of America's drug problem -- cocaine is not produced in Venezuela, and what is shipped through is mostly bound for Europe, let them deal with it if they want to.

The invasion of Iraq turned into a prolonged, bloody, expensive quagmire. What reason do we have to believe things would go any better in Venezuela?

^^^
Boundless crap.

 

[Hel_Books]

It is always better to avoid a war than to win it, providing the price of avoiding it is not too high -- that is always a political judgment.

The U.S. does not need a war with Venezuela. They pose no threat to us, economic or strategic or political. They are not the center of a spreading wave of revolutionary leftism. They are not a part of America's drug problem -- cocaine is not produced in Venezuela, and what is shipped through is mostly bound for Europe, let them deal with it if they want to.

The invasion of Iraq turned into a prolonged, bloody, expensive quagmire. What reason do we have to believe things would go any better in Venezuela?

Wonder what will happen when the first American service member is killed there? Even a helicopter crash outside of the war zone will make Americans start thinking differently about their President slavering after a Nobel Peace Prize!

 

[mstrman]

Wonder what will happen when the first American service member is killed there? Even a helicopter crash outside of the war zone will make Americans start thinking differently about their President slavering after a Nobel Peace Prize!

No, we’re not going to change our opinion of him. He’s doing exactly what we hired him on to do. And what you think of him does not it matter to us at all?

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Wonder what will happen when the first American service member is killed there? Even a helicopter crash outside of the war zone will make Americans start thinking differently about their President slavering after a Nobel Peace Prize!

No, we’re not going to change our opinion of him. He’s doing exactly what we hired him on to do. And what you think of him does not it matter to us at all?

But the "We" that approves of your President is shrinking day by day . . .

 

[mstrman]

But the "We" that approves of your President is shrinking day by day . . .

You need to quit watching CNN and CBS. They're all liars.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
But the "We" that approves of your President is shrinking day by day . . .

You need to quit watching CNN and CBS. They're all liars.

CBS? Didn't they just spike a story embarrassing to your President?

 

[Wilson23]

You need to quit watching CNN and CBS. They're all liars.

Can we please never again hear that canard?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Liberal_media

^^^
Boundless crap.

Name one single point where I'm wrong.

 

[OralAllOver]

It is always better to avoid a war than to win it, providing the price of avoiding it is not too high -- that is always a political judgment.

The U.S. does not need a war with Venezuela. We have nothing to gain by it. They pose no threat to us, economic or strategic or political. They are not the center of a spreading wave of revolutionary leftism. They are not a part of America's drug problem -- cocaine is not produced in Venezuela, and what is shipped through is mostly bound for Europe, let them deal with it if they want to.

The invasion of Iraq turned into a prolonged, bloody, expensive quagmire. What reason do we have to believe things would go any better in Venezuela?

How about the Austrian Empire's war with Serbia? A shame that our President is a dumb motherfucker

 

[mstrman]

Can we please never again hear that canard?

Okay, "lamestream media"

 

[mstrman]

How about the Austrian Empire's war with Serbia? A shame that our President is a dumb motherfucker

 

[mstrman]

CBS? Didn't they just spike a story embarrassing to your President?

 

[Baztrachian]

It is always better to avoid a war than to win it, providing the price of avoiding it is not too high -- that is always a political judgment.

The U.S. does not need a war with Venezuela. We have nothing to gain by it. They pose no threat to us, economic or strategic or political. They are not the center of a spreading wave of revolutionary leftism. They are not a part of America's drug problem -- cocaine is not produced in Venezuela, and what is shipped through is mostly bound for Europe, let them deal with it if they want to.

The invasion of Iraq turned into a prolonged, bloody, expensive quagmire. What reason do we have to believe things would go any better in Venezuela?

I doubt that Trump wants a war with Venezuela. What he definitely wants is an end to drugs coming in from South America and he also wants Venezuela to resume being a livable country again so their millions of refugees-from-socialism will stop coming to the USA.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
CBS? Didn't they just spike a story embarrassing to your President?

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I pointed out that your President's approval rating is dropping steadily. You said, "You need to quit watching CNN and CBS. They're all liars" implying that my statement about your President's approval rating was incorrect. But CBS (or, at any rate, Bari Weiss) is carrying water for your President by spiking the Inside CECOT story, so it doesn't make sense to complain about CBS here.

You're the one using facts you didn't check!

 

[Hel_Books]

I doubt that Trump wants a war with Venezuela. What he definitely wants is an end to drugs coming in from South America and he also wants Venezuela to resume being a livable country again so their millions of refugees-from-socialism will stop coming to the USA.

Well, so far the sanctions route hasn't worked. The invasion route will probably have the same success the USA has had with invasions or interventions in third-world countries in the past: Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, Honduras, the Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Iraq, . . .

 

[Bray123]

Trump needs to suspend elections and being involved in a war is the easiest way of doing it. Venezuela or Greenland or Mexico or Canada or Somalia or Yemen or anywhere else doesn't matter, he has his pretend peace prize already.

If Americans die as a result, it's a price he's willing to pay.

 

[Wilson23]

Look, no one has mentioned any good reason for the war Trump appears intent upon, or cast doubt on my assessment of the risks. It's a bad idea even if contained to Venezuela -- and there's a serious risk Cuba could be brought into it, and El Salvador, and then who knows, maybe Mexico.

 

[Wilson23]

Trump needs to suspend elections and being involved in a war is the easiest way of doing it. Venezuela or Greenland or Mexico or Canada or Somalia or Yemen or anywhere else doesn't matter, he has his pretend peace prize already.

If Americans die as a result, it's a price he's willing to pay.

Of course there's no way he could get away with that. The U.S. did not suspend elections during the Civil War, the one time in our history when a real case could have been made for the necessity.

 

[OralAllOver]

I doubt that Trump wants a war with Venezuela. What he definitely wants is an end to drugs coming in from South America and he also wants Venezuela to resume being a livable country again so their millions of refugees-from-socialism will stop coming to the USA.

So WAR makes a country liveable and stops the black market?

Ass backwards, dude

The US has no business there. And we need to fix AMERICAN CONSUMERS OF DRUGS

 

[Bray123]

Of course there's no way he could get away with that. The U.S. did not suspend elections during the Civil War, the one time in our history when a real case could have been made for the necessity.

He doesn't care about that, nor WW2. He was whining about President Zelenskyy not having elections and he learned then that being invaded was Ukraine's reason.

 

[Wilson23]

And we need to fix AMERICAN CONSUMERS OF DRUGS

Well, what do you need?

 

[Wilson23]

Peace on Earth!

 

[Rightguide]

Maduro will be deposed and the real elected President will take office.

 

[Wilson23]

He doesn't care about that, nor WW2. He was whining about President Zelenskyy not having elections and he learned then that being invaded was Ukraine's reason.

Oh . . . I see . . . Errmm, listen, Donald, it only works one way. You can cancel an election, it's in Article Cough Section Harrumf, but only if somebody ELSE invades US.

Waitaminnit . . .

OK, all this shit with Canada . . . you're really playing a long game, right? Wow!

 

[Wilson23]

Maduro will be deposed and the real elected President will take office.

But it can't just end there.

Imagine post-invasion Iraq. Now add cocaine.