Can God CoExist with Science? Scientific Confirmation of the Existance of God?

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Scientific Confirmation

Further contemporary proof that John is describing the constellation Virgo and Hydra in Revelation 12:14 is evidenced by the description used by John in the second half of the sign that he describes in the heavens. Indeed the constellation Hydra, sometimes called "Hydra the Serpent or the Dragon" stands before the constellation in the early morning hours in Israel in the months of September/October (see Job 26:13; Ps. 74:14; and Is. 27: 1). Here John also describes how a third of the stars of the heavens are drawn by the tail of the dragon and cast to the earth.

[Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Psa 74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon taht is in the sea.]

Is this just a meaningless bit of information or was John given some insight to the powers and design of the cosmos? In the July 1993 issue of Astronomy Magazine there is an article entitled, "Cosmic Tug of War" by David Burstein and Peter L. Manly. In the article, they describe this hidden force found in the constellation Centarus. They call it "The Great Attractor." This "Great Attractor" of hidden dark matter is located in and at the very tail of "Hydra the Serpent or the Dragon." But what is most interesting is how they describe just what this "Great Attractor" is attracting or drawing to it. I quote:

"Whereas galaxy clusters contain many galaxies in a small region, the Great Attractor has its many galaxies spread over an enormous volume of space. As we see it, over five thousand galaxies in the Great Attractor splay across 60 degrees of the sky, covering one-third of the southern hemisphere."

This truth about the "Great Attractor" was not officially discovered and released by scientists until 1987, but John describes this sign in the heavens the same way exactly 1900 years earlier (Rev. 12:1-4). "Our local group of galaxies, which consist of our galaxy, Andromeda, and some 30 smaller galaxies is moving at about 630 km per second towards this Great Attractor." That is about 391.5 miles per second or about 23,488.25 miles per hour.

We are being drawn toward the constellation Centarus at the tail of Hydra, which is also toward the southern Crux (The Cross). As the seven discoverers of this Great Attractor have concluded, "we will not stop falling into Virgo Supercluster and the enormous mass of the Great Attractor will increasingly draw us towards it." As we get closer and closer to the Great Attractor, it will increase its pull upon the earth. The earth and the local group that it is part of, will be caught up in this celestial tug of war. The powers that are at work in our universe are absolutely awesome.



What is the Great Attractor?

In the 1980's, astronomers Alan Dressler, Sandra Faber, David Burstein and Gary Wegner had investigated thee motions of the Virgo cluster of galaxies, the Local Group ( which contains the Milky Way), and the Hydra-Centaurus supercluster, and discovered that these vast collections of thousands of galaxies were also being tugged, gravitationally, by what appeared to be an even larger collection of matter. This collection of matter, which they estimated was located 3 times farther away than the Virgo cluster (which is 77 million light years distant) in the direction of the constellation Centaurus, was dubbed the Great Attractor. The team of astronomers even found that galaxies located on the other side of the Great Attractor were being pulled in by it. In other words, rather than these collections of galaxies expanding with the rest of the universe, they were being held back very slightly by the gravitational pull of the Great Attractor. Unfortunately, much of the predicted mass in the Great Attractor is hidden behind the obscurring dust and gas in the plane of our Milky Way, so it is very hard for astronomers to study this collection of objects directly; or to independently confirm that it is indeed there in the first place!

http://www2.ari.net/home/odenwald/qadir/q639.html
 
What a great thread

Do you have several nights for discussion? I'll buy the skittles.
 
Where is MinkSoul when ya need him? My astronomy expert! :)
 
You can find evidence of God in Revelations, Genesis, The Koran, and the Verizon Yellow Pages -- if God is what you're looking for. And I'm not being flip here. I'm totally serious. Give me enough time and enough algorithims, and I will find absolute proof that the Verizon Yellow Pages contains the names of the Apostles, the name of God, and the location of the Christ Cup. Patterns reveal anythingyou want them to reveal.
 
That was me by the way. Damn computers. God is made up of little ones and zeros and is fucking with me, I know it.
 
I sit next to a Jehovah's Witness at work. He constantly tries to draw me into such discussions, once got me to take home a little book called "Life, how did we get here?"

He tells me the proof of God is in the prophecies.
 
What?

I went through an "amateur" phase with astronomy- had the big deep space scope, my Messier charts, and all of that. It's a unique pleasure to painstakingly track down something beyond visible sight. And so ancient- to see light that is older than the human race!

Even a glance at Orion (1600 light years) causes sparks to the imagination. "When this light left those stars, the Romans were killing Gauls and the gospels were being written! - let's make out..."

I have never understood the conflict of science and religion. We went to Mass every Sunday growing up- never- and I mean NEVER- was I ever taught (not even in parochial school) this fanatical idea of "creationism." I am so proud of my mom- a total non-intellectual. Just a good woman with a kind heart (to this day) who pretty much takes what life has given her (which is a LOT). She never poisoned me with stuff (Mom is pretty much a practical thing where as I tend to be more idea-oriented).

I am so bewildered. How does anyone find conflict between science and "God." They are so indistinguishable to me. If you are talking about science- what need is there to speak of God? If you are speaking of religion, what need to speak of science?

It is not what burns- it is the burning.

Everything is process. Unfortunately, in America (as well as the others) people lose sight of this, if they have the mind to understand it.

God is an idea. Carl Sagan said, "We are a way the cosmos thinks about itself." He might be right.

Personally, people who find a conflcit between science and re;;;igion are, to me, simple-minded folk. God bless them.
 
I think it was Isaac Asimov

who said, "If triangles had a god, he would have three sides".

This struck me as an interesting paraphrase of the verse from the bible that says roughly, "And man created God in his own image" which seems to me to be a more likely correct premise.
 
Yes, and at first man had many fears, so he had many gods (polytheism), but as he got more clever, he needed just one (monotheism). And then as he got even more clever, he needed none (Athieism).

So God sent Todd, his only living buddy that whosoever should believe in him...

Toddieism.
 
Todd walketh by the still waters. He stroketh his cock made in the image of the bull. And a voice criedeth out from the wilderness. Be not afraideth, young virgins, for Todd, though hungeth like the beast, is gentle as the lamb. Anointeth his body with flaxseed oil. Press your soft twin fawns against his face. Let him sniffeth from your flowing musk. Becometh one with Todd, and all the mysteries will unfoldeth. And ye shall findeth your piece. And together you shall dwelleth in the house of ecstasy forever.
 
No offense intended, but Myst's Bible quote doesn't sound very specific to me. I really don't think the quote has anything to do with anything.

And even if it did, I wouldn't consider it proof of the existence of God. I remember reading somewhere that the parting of the red sea and the burning bush could have actually happened as natural phenomena. The article gave some interesting explanations. But all it shows is that ignorant people who don't understand the workings of science and the world tend to attribute its stranger events to unseen spirits, and then call the events miracles. It doesn't show that these spirits exist.

I'm honestly not sure what "proof of God" would look like. It all boils down to what kinds of powers you think God has. Some people think he's simply the creator of humanity and the earth, and leave it at that. No supernatural powers. In other words some people think of God as nothing more that a very powerful alien engineer. I concede that such a God *could* exist and if that's your view, then I suppose proof of God could be found in something akin to study of ancient history and archeology. But this would be *scientific* proof, for a *scientific* God.

Other people go further and give him the attribute of omnipotence. The meaning of the word varies from person to person. I don't have much of an opinion of this matter, except to say that if your idea of omnipotence involves giving God the power to make contradictrions possible, then I draw the line there. A God that makes logical contradictions possible cannot exist, as we know the words. I'm extremely firm on that.

Other than that, the sky's the limit :)
 
From the Book of A_J

I wonder where I'd go if I could fly around downtown
From some other planet, I get the Funky High on yellow sun

Boy I bet my friends will all be stunned.

They're stunned.

























Stoned. Stoned. Typo.
 
Agnostic in Process...

We are not the smartest nor essential as Humans to this Universe...We are trying our best to get onto TV and into Movies and Heaven or Hell to realize that we will not be missed should we slip into the constantly changing Universes that we can or cannot even Perceive...The Sound of Chimes, a Corona, and some shade on a nice Balcony make this seem not so bad...
 
Corona got hammered in the most recent Consumer Reports. Now my beers, Sam Adams, Foster's (I only drink from the big tranny fluid can), and Busch Lite (from the bottle only, or tap), and Natural Lite (my choice 'cause I'm cheap when it comes to my booze).

But drink long and prosper!
 
Yeah, Well I Heard Professioal Tasters Picked Old Milwaukee...

Hiccup...I stand oblivious...(hiccup) I mean obliterated by Cosmos...Hiccup...Er, coooorected...and Furtherestrdomus more...I like Bud:rolleyes:
 
But Myst...

That is an interesting look at Revelations that I've not heard before.

I've come to wonder if the Seventh Heaven is something started with the Key of Mushroom...Narnia Style...

When I first left the "Church", (or somewhere there soon after), I sat in a reclining chair in the back yard with a rack of beerbeer night after night, Walkman and Montrose and watched the city stars and realized it moved together in different patterns...The desert was even more confusing up above...and so on...and so on...and so on...Wut the Incas saw up there has changed as all things do...:)
 
Re: From the Book of A_J

More like the book of Matchbox 20 :)

Andra_Jenny said:
I wonder where I'd go if I could fly around downtown
From some other planet, I get the Funky High on yellow sun

Boy I bet my friends will all be stunned.

They're stunned.

























Stoned. Stoned. Typo.
 
gleam said:
No offense intended, but Myst's Bible quote doesn't sound very specific to me. I really don't think the quote has anything to do with anything.

And even if it did, I wouldn't consider it proof of the existence of God. I remember reading somewhere that the parting of the red sea and the burning bush could have actually happened as natural phenomena. The article gave some interesting explanations. But all it shows is that ignorant people who don't understand the workings of science and the world tend to attribute its stranger events to unseen spirits, and then call the events miracles. It doesn't show that these spirits exist.

I'm honestly not sure what "proof of God" would look like. It all boils down to what kinds of powers you think God has. Some people think he's simply the creator of humanity and the earth, and leave it at that. No supernatural powers. In other words some people think of God as nothing more that a very powerful alien engineer. I concede that such a God *could* exist and if that's your view, then I suppose proof of God could be found in something akin to study of ancient history and archeology. But this would be *scientific* proof, for a *scientific* God.

Other people go further and give him the attribute of omnipotence. The meaning of the word varies from person to person. I don't have much of an opinion of this matter, except to say that if your idea of omnipotence involves giving God the power to make contradictrions possible, then I draw the line there. A God that makes logical contradictions possible cannot exist, as we know the words. I'm extremely firm on that.

Other than that, the sky's the limit :)


Time to banter about quantum physics. And truth based on fact. Like Noah's flood? Maybe Atlantis?
 
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