Calling people racists.

[dp4shelly]

If a person believes that the China Virus started in China and they call it the China Virus because they believe understanding the origin of the virus is important does that make them a racist?

I do believe that the virus started in China like a lot of deadly viruses do. It does not make me think ill of people from China. I do think their form of government is a nightmare. But my views have nothing to do with race. Nevertheless, some people that go through life slinging derogatory names at others claim that my viewpoint makes me a raciest.

If you think so please explain the logic that draws you to that conclusion.

If you think it is absurd to call a person a racist on such grounds please explain the logic of your conclusion.

Thank you.

 

[Botanical11B]

Much like ID's and borders being racist, there is no logic to it....just the fee fees.

 

[RoryN]

...claim that my viewpoint makes me a raciest.

I'm not 100% sure about what a "raciest" is, but I bet you're one.

 

[Publius1990]

I'm not 100% sure about what a "raciest" is, but I bet you're one.

The best you could do was point out a misspelling and then call her a racist. Very intelligent. Took you awhile to write the post, didn’t it. Taking on the substance of her inquiry was just too demanding for you.

 

[Conager]

Many of the people that hurl that now nearly meaningless charge are themselves racist. They may be closeted ones seeking to deflect attention from their own repugnant views, seeking advantage or concessions on the basis of race to benefit themselves, or the quieter, but no less malignant, paternalistic kind that comes from "the soft bigotry of low expectations." where they view people of color as incapable of thriving without their intervention and the active discrimination of others all based on nothing but skin color.

Very few people alive today have lived under any other regime but equal protection under law, vigorously enforced by buildings full of government lawyers. When there is a glimmer of doubt, courts tend to side with those who were historically, but rarely presently, discriminated against.

No one of good will throws that charge lightly; those that do are beneath contempt.

 

[bellisarius]

Many of the people that hurl that now nearly meaningless charge are themselves racist. They may be closeted ones seeking to deflect attention from their own repugnant views, seeking advantage or concessions on the basis of race to benefit themselves, or the quieter, but no less malignant, paternalistic kind that comes from "the soft bigotry of low expectations." where they view people of color as incapable of thriving without their intervention and the active discrimination of others all based on nothing but skin color.

Very few people alive today have lived under any other regime but equal protection under law, vigorously enforced by buildings full of government lawyers. When there is a glimmer of doubt, courts tend to side with those who were historically, but rarely presently, discriminated against.

No one of good will throws that charge lightly; those that do are beneath contempt.

Change "many" to "most".

It has now become the last argument of a weak mind.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

If a person believes that the China Virus started in China and they call it the China Virus because they believe understanding the origin of the virus is important does that make them a racist?

I do believe that the virus started in China like a lot of deadly viruses do. It does not make me think ill of people from China. I do think their form of government is a nightmare. But my views have nothing to do with race. Nevertheless, some people that go through life slinging derogatory names at others claim that my viewpoint makes me a raciest.

If you think so please explain the logic that draws you to that conclusion.

If you think it is absurd to call a person a racist on such grounds please explain the logic of your conclusion.

Thank you.

One of many definitions out there of Racism, I just C&P the first one, maybe not the best, but..I don't care..

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


So I have a series of post below, which when you read the definition of racism above, you can see how they correlate

Lets look at this one first.
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Will the final death count from the China Virus be higher than the annual death count of babies snuffed out by mommy from abortion?

I know that figures are hard to come by in both cases. China offs a lot of kids in the womb and we don't get honest numbers just like they lie about the deaths from this virus they shared with the world. But using the best estimates available I wonder which is the most horrific event on a global scale?

Here poster is stating about Abortions in China, compared to Virus's in China, is that a government or culture issue?



a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement

If you have rats in your house because you live in filth and then the rats spread disease to your neighbors would it be raciest if the public heath department identified your house as the source of the problem? And if you did it year after year and people all over your town were dying would it be unreasonable to hold you accountable? Or would that be racist or homophobic or rataphopic or some other failing on the part of the people you are harming? The liberal logic on this is stunning.

Doesn't this post seem to say I am superior to someone who has rats in their house? Obviously a person who doesn't realize the Chinese respect for the Rat? The year of the Rat in the Chinese calendar which is 2020...wow

that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

The key is where it came from not where it landed. Your logic is scrambled. If the police see that a man in a green coat shoots a man in a blue coat should they blame the guy with the bullet in him or the guy that was the source?

China is the source. The rest of the world is the victim. They unleash lethal viruses every year and hundreds of thousands suffer and die and you can't figure it out that they are the source of a serious global problem? Wow! What logic!

Here the logic is China is a viral hot spot, so how about you add in any other virus that have came out from China in the last 100 years I can think of two recent ones, SARS and COVID-19.

How about the first version of H1N1 ( Spanish Flu) from a farm in the USA?

There have been statements that the epidemic originated in the United States. Historian Alfred W. Crosby stated in 2003 that the flu originated in Kansas,and popular author John M. Barry described a January 1918 outbreak in Haskell County, Kansas, as the point of origin in his 2004 article

A 2018 study of tissue slides and medical reports led by evolutionary biology professor Michael Worobey found evidence against the disease originating from Kansas as those cases were milder and had fewer deaths compared to the situation in New York City in the same time period. The study did find evidence through phylogenetic analyses that the virus likely had a North American origin, though it was not conclusive. In addition, the haemagglutinin glycoproteins of the virus suggest that it was around far prior to 1918 and other studies suggest that the reassortment of the H1N1 virus likely occurred in or around 1915.



Then there was MESR from the Middle East.

How about the 2009/2010 version of the Spanish Flu, which came from....yes you guessed it Mexico...not China...


But no we have the OP stating it came from China. Because, you know China is just that hot bed of Viruses...

So to try and stave of stigmatism and Racism since Virology tracing is difficult at best, the WHO adopted the following:


The World Health Organization (WHO), in consultation and collaboration with the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), has identified best practices for the naming of new human diseases, with the aim to minimize unnecessary negative impact of disease names on trade, travel, tourism or animal welfare, and avoid causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional or ethnic groups.

But still the OP insists on naming it the China Virus...

that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

Any Chinese American who's actually butthurt because someone tags it the "China Virus" simply reveals how much more American s/he needs to become and how less Chinese s/he needs to be.

Note here we have someone expressing that America is a better culture than China....in what to me see very Racial tones...

that a particular racial group is inferior to the others

Thank you for stating the obvious. It is not due to a genetic flaw in Chinese people. It is the cause and effect of socialism at work. The Chinese people living in the USA should WANT to draw attention to the horrific failure of the government in China more than anyone else.

But the left sees everything as picking on people because of their genetics and that is not the issue at all.

Now here we have the poster agreeing to the above. Why, can not a person be proud of their heritage, hell the Chinese have a civilization history dating back from 1250 BC.

How old is the USA?

that a particular racial group is inferior to the others

I am done, there are only two possibilities here, the OP is Racist, or is too stupid to understand what Racism is....

 

[RoryN]

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[Conager]

I can see why one of the board's most virulent racists would want to end the thread. He believes being partially black forever victimizes him and entitles him to preferences for that reason alone.

*That* is the very definition of racism. The idea that an immutable genetic difference imbues one race with advantages over another. The same stats used by him and others to "prove" victimhood are used by other, equally overt racists to "prove" superiority.

 

[Botanical11B]

Note here we have someone expressing that America is a better culture than China....in what to me see very Racial tones...

that a particular racial group is inferior to the others

In what to you seems very Racial tones. No racial tones, nationalist tones.

Chinese are not a racial group. They are a national/cultural group.

I am done, there are only two possibilities here, the OP is Racist, or is too stupid to understand what Racism is....

You seem to be conflating nationalism and cultural chauvinism with racism because of what 'seem to you' to be racial 'tones', meaning you can't actually find any racism in it so you have to add it because you really do not like western civilization and nationalism.

 

[Conager]

That concept goes over their heads. If a particular individual or group has an immutable racial characteristic with an identified, unassailable victim group, any criticism of their behavior or culture is racist.

I'm pretty sure that he didn't raise any objection at all when Harvard found that Asians universally just aren't very personable when they got around to interviewing them for admission. Actual racism is ok if it furthers identified victim groups. Nevermind that the Ivys go to Africa to find enough "blacks" to tick the appropriate box.

You could object to the anti-women, anti-LGBT culture that exists in Pakistan and be called a racist despite the fact that similar cultural conditions exist amongst Chechens.

They also seem.unaware that their are Caucasian Mexicans.

 

[Botanical11B]

That concept goes over their heads.

So does the concept that nationalism and patriotism are separate things from racism despite their regularly conflating them with racism.

Actual racism is ok if it furthers identified victim groups.

And if the racism is pointed at someone with patriotic, pro-American, pro-liberty and civil rights political views that offend your sense of "progress" (identitarian and authoritarian collectivism).

They also seem.unaware that their are Caucasian Mexicans.

And Africans too.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

It's called COVID-19. That's it's scientific name, because that describes it's make up and the year it emerged. It's for medical people.

It doesn't matter one fuckwhit that it emerged in China. China tells the scientists nothing. The virus OBVS makes no distinction of country. It kills everyone.

Therefore one has to ask why people like you and Trump insist on calling it the "China Flu." Why does is knowing what country it originated in "important", as you say? Important in what respect? Not important to virologists. Not important to doctors. Not important for who it's going to kill.

SO what is that important?

If a person believes that the China Virus started in China and they call it the China Virus because they believe understanding the origin of the virus is important does that make them a racist?

I do believe that the virus started in China like a lot of deadly viruses do. It does not make me think ill of people from China. I do think their form of government is a nightmare. But my views have nothing to do with race. Nevertheless, some people that go through life slinging derogatory names at others claim that my viewpoint makes me a raciest.

If you think so please explain the logic that draws you to that conclusion.

If you think it is absurd to call a person a racist on such grounds please explain the logic of your conclusion.

Thank you.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." It's not the words but the energy behind the words or the history and common understanding of the meaning of words

When someone like the President of the Individual States of America crosses out the word covid and writes China in bold letters, that's racist

 

[dp4shelly]

Logic?

Originally Posted by dp4shelly
"Will the final death count from the China Virus be higher than the annual death count of babies snuffed out by mommy from abortion?

I know that figures are hard to come by in both cases. China offs a lot of kids in the womb and we don't get honest numbers just like they lie about the deaths from this virus they shared with the world. But using the best estimates available I wonder which is the most horrific event on a global scale?"

Comment from post #7 is as follows:

"Here poster is stating about Abortions in China, compared to Virus's in China, is that a government or culture issue? "

My response:

If this is your example of “logic” I can see where the problems is coming from. You read what other people say, filter it through the lenses of your choice, and draw warped conclusions.

In the example above the correct answer is that I blame the government for both problems. You clearly imagine that I blame the people.

The filthy living conditions in China are not because of something defective about the people. All socialist and communist governments eventually drag people into poverty and filth.

The view of abortion being "normal" is fostered by the government. It is not because of anything in the nature of the people genetically. The opposite is true. Genetically almost all creatures are programed to protect their young not destroy them. The government worked hard to create an unnatural cultural view of human life. But the same thing is true of socialists in the USA and around the world. It has nothing to do with race. They are just evil people with evil ideas about ruling and controlling others.

You also conflate “culture” and genetics. There are lots of repulsive cultures in the world and they have nothing to do with race or genetics. For example, I am not fond of the culture involved with outlaw motor cycle gangs. Nothing at all to do with race or genetics. Now do you understand the difference?

Your other comments are equally irrational. Especially the one about rats. I do think that cultures that have rats living with humans with garbage and filth are inferior to cultures that have good hygiene. Hygiene is not a genetic trait it is a cultural trait. But people that are broken by evil forms of government and force to live in nasty environments are more likely to have problems with rats and other diseased animals.

 

[dp4shelly]

Why it is important

It's called COVID-19. That's it's scientific name, because that describes it's make up and the year it emerged. It's for medical people.

It doesn't matter one fuckwhit that it emerged in China. China tells the scientists nothing. The virus OBVS makes no distinction of country. It kills everyone.

Therefore one has to ask why people like you and Trump insist on calling it the "China Flu." Why does is knowing what country it originated in "important", as you say? Important in what respect? Not important to virologists. Not important to doctors. Not important for who it's going to kill.

SO what is that important?

That is a good question. It is not important to me because of anything to do with the genetics of the people that live in China. It is very important that people pause and think about where all this death and horror is coming from and why it is coming from China. This virus very likely started in the governments bio lab. You may disagree with me about that but my viewpoint is not based on my view of anyone's race. It is the corrupt and disgusting government in China that is at the heart of this. Public awareness of the real problem might cause people to demand that their medications do not come from the same country that generates the need for so many medications. Again, you may disagree and we can debate it. But to claim that the motive has to do with race is just wrong. I love human life. I love the people in China and everywhere. I don't have any problem with so called interracial marriage. We are all human and minor generic differences mean nothing to me. My own native American blood traces back to China.

 

[Conager]

It definitely did not begin in a government lab. This virus has not been manipulated. It is a naturally occurring virus. It just had never jumped to humans before.

It is margin Ali possible that for whatever reason the Chinese had isolated this virus in a lab and it is scape from there lab. It is highly unlikely that they were playing around with it because they wanted to weapon eyes it because in theory it should have been a poor choice for transmission to humans. They're much better choices out there.

I would think this would be related to their research on SARS-type corona viruses so that they could be prepared for the next pandemic.

Which they *may* have unleashed.

or not.

 

[dp4shelly]

I agree

It definitely did not begin in a government lab. This virus has not been manipulated. It is a naturally occurring virus. It just had never jumped to humans before.

It is margin Ali possible that for whatever reason the Chinese had isolated this virus in a lab and it is scape from there lab. It is highly unlikely that they were playing around with it because they wanted to weapon eyes it because in theory it should have been a poor choice for transmission to humans. They're much better choices out there.

I would think this would be related to their research on SARS-type corona viruses so that they could be prepared for the next pandemic.

Which they *may* have unleashed.

or not.

I do not think that the government in China "created" this virus. I do think they were exploring it in their lab and that it got out. I think they tried to blame the wet market because they need scape goat. Either way, they lied about it and are still lying about it. Millions will die and the global economy may well collapse. Meanwhile Liberals think it is racist just to draw attention to where it came from. Again, the location is important not a racial issue but to put a spot light on the lying stinking government that is so hard on the people in China and by extension the entire globe.

 

[Cl3v3rG1rl69]

It doesn't matter one fuckwhit that it emerged in China. China tells the scientists nothing.

I'm started to think your stupidity isn't caused by anger. You're just stupid. (Calling people stupid isn't fun to me, but I know it is to you guys, and it's something you can understand. You are stupid.)

COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin

Read that, and use your critical thinking skills to understand how important the origin of a virus is.

 

[Liar]

Calling it The China Virus™ is a rhetorical sleight-of-hand ploy minted by politicians (and one in particular) with a vested interest in shifting attention away from their own incompetent handling of the domestic spread of it.

Racist? Not nessecarily. Twatty? Definitely.

 

[Botanical11B]

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." It's not the words but the energy behind the words or the history and common understanding of the meaning of words

When someone like the President of the Individual States of America crosses out the word covid and writes China in bold letters, that's racist

How is that in any way shape or form racist?

Is calling Ebola, Hanta or Dengue fevers by their name RACIST!!! Hmmm???

"Orange Man BAD!!!" doesn't mean everything orange man does is racist.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Of course it is.

Just like he said illegals and immigrants bring "disease" and "infection" into the U.S.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." It's not the words but the energy behind the words or the history and common understanding of the meaning of words

When someone like the President of the Individual States of America crosses out the word covid and writes China in bold letters, that's racist

 

[bellisarius]

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." It's not the words but the energy behind the words or the history and common understanding of the meaning of words

When someone like the President of the Individual States of America crosses out the word covid and writes China in bold letters, that's racist

China is a place on the map, not a race dumb ass.

 

[ishtat]

Couple of observations:

1. 60% of significant epidemics/pandemics have their origin in South and South East Asia.

2. 60% of the world's population live in the same region.

Viruses show a wanton disrespect for either national borders or political theologies.

 

[hogjack]

China is a place on the map, not a race dumb ass.

There are 55 ethnic groups currently recognized by the Communist Party of China.

Ironically, there are 55 genders currently recognized in the US.