Calling out DebbieX, KimGordon etc.

[mayfly13]

Remember, Kim and Debbie, how proud you felt when Jacinda Adern wore a hijab, kissed a muslim and i-hopped the haka in 2019?


Now, under Jacinda's watch, house and rental prices have increased by 120% while minimum wages - by 15-20%.
The Human Rights commission is currently onto it, as NZ fares the worst out of the 38 OECD countries.

 

[KimGordon67]

WTF? I don't remember ever saying 'Americans! Please explain Donald Trump.' I don't even remember referring to Ardern doing any of these things. I also have no idea what 'NZ fares worst out of 38 OECD countries' ... worst at what? Lacrosse? Suicide statistics? National animals?

 

[mayfly13]

WTF? I don't remember every saying 'Americans! Please explain Donald Trump.' I don't even remember referring to Ardern doing any of these things. I also have no idea what 'NZ fares worst out of 38 OECD countries' ... worst at what? Lacrosse? Suicide statistics? National animals?

Australia and NZ are currently in deep shit.

While people over 45 (most of whom obtained mortgages at better prices 10 years ago) aren't in THAT bad of a position
the next generations are fucked and will be generations rent forever, half of their wages going towards rent.

The fucked up thing for Kiwis --and I feel for you guys actually -- as opposed to Aussies,
is that they've been duped by that incompetent, PC con-artist called Jacinda Adern.

At least Scott Morrison never played the "look at me, I care" card.

 

[KimGordon67]

Australia and NZ are currently in deep shit.

While people over 45 (most of whom obtained mortgages at better prices 10 years ago) aren't in THAT bad of a position
the next generations are fucked and will be generations rent forever, half of their wages going towards rent.

The fucked up thing for Kiwis --and I feel for you guys actually -- as opposed to Aussies,
is that they've been duped by that incompetent, PC con-artist called Jacinda Adern.

At least Scott Morrison never played the "look at me, I care" card.

(a) The housing crisis predates the current government. Substantially. And the problem isn't really the government, it's the allergy Kiwi have to a capital gains tax. Which was demonstrated when Labour campaigned and lost on that basis repeatedly.

(b) Relevant policies are being introduced, but they're hardly likely to have an immediate effect.

(c) WTAF?

 

[Saint_Ann]

I haven't seen Gollum post in ages.

 

[mayfly13]

(a) The housing crisis predates the current government. Substantially. And the problem isn't really the government, it's the allergy Kiwi have to a capital gains tax. Which was demonstrated when Labour campaigned and lost on that basis repeatedly.

(b) Relevant policies are being introduced, but they're hardly likely to have an immediate effect.

(c) WTAF?

You're right, I, too understand that the National NZ (he equivalent of America's Republicans?) have behaved criminally: sold rest homes and other assets to the for-profit industry,
dismantled protections for blue collar workers

but stilll. Jacinda claims to be the party of the disenfranchised, so the standards are different.
Where are the new houses that she built her campaign on? Instead of building new houses, she focused on land grab from farmers, under SNAF

 

[KimGordon67]

You're right, I, too understand that the National NZ (he equivalent of America's Republicans?) have behaved criminally: sold rest homes and other assets to the for-profit industry,
dismantled protections for blue collar workers

but stilll. Jacinda claims to be the party of the disenfranchised, so the standards are different.
Where are the new houses that she built her campaign on? Instead of building new houses, she focused on land grab from farmers, under SNAF

I truly have zero interest in engaging in this conversation. It would involve me doing various bits of research and linking to material that I'm 98% confident you wouldn't read. Already in this very short thread you've referenced the Christchurch terror attacks, the housing crisis, and something to do with farmers. That doesn't really suggest a coherent 'argument', but just a series of talking points.

 

[mayfly13]

I truly have zero interest in engaging in this conversation. It would involve me doing various bits of research and linking to material that I'm 98% confident you wouldn't read. Already in this very short thread you've referenced the Christchurch terror attacks, the housing crisis, and something to do with farmers. That doesn't really suggest a coherent 'argument', but just a series of talking points.

aah, so you have no arguments.
I don't mind
don't forget your hijab on your way out!

 

[pecksniff]

New Zealand: Australia's Canada.

 

[mayfly13]

New Zealand: Australia's Canada.

In what way?

I read somewhere that it's not as egalitarian (finance-wise or racially, especially with Native Canadians) as the image it projects.

 

[KimGordon67]

aah, so you have no arguments.
I don't mind
don't forget your hijab on your way out!

As I made quite clear, I have plenty of arguments - I just can't be arsed putting in the time to provide the relevant evidence for someone who won't read any of it, and will just move on to the next talking point, as always happens on the GB.

I don't wear a hijab. I'm not Muslim.

I have no idea who's alt you are, but you really are as utterly tiresome as all the guys on here who end up needing multiple alts.

 

[KimGordon67]

In what way?

I read somewhere that it's not as egalitarian (finance-wise or racially, especially with Native Canadians) as the image it projects.

"I read somewhere ..." - searingly well supported. Please, don't let looking for actual facts get in the way of presenting your poorly formed opinion as 'truth'.

 

[mayfly13]

"I read somewhere ..." - searingly well supported. Please, don't let looking for actual facts get in the way of presenting your poorly formed opinion as 'truth'.

I didn't present it correctly.

I had in mind the recent scandal about the remains of hundreds of innuit children.

If I remember correctly, they'd been taken from their families against their will, put in large British boarding schools to 'improve their education and chances in life' , but when they died (contagious diseases or who knows) they covered it up.

I was dumbfounded.
That's NOT congruent with the "US Americans are racist scumbags, by contrast Canadians are the greatest" narrative that one reads wherever they go.

 

[mayfly13]

As I made quite clear, I have plenty of arguments - I just can't be arsed putting in the time to provide the relevant evidence for someone who won't read any of it, and will just move on to the next talking point, as always happens on the GB.

But Kim.

While I agree that I'm not great at understanding these things,
I'm also looking at what I read online:

NZ is having a record of homelessness and child poverty,
and it hasn't stagnated under Jacinda (who ran her campaign on promisses to reverse it).
It DOUBLED
NZ is now being investigated by the Human Rights! commission.

I wouldn't have been so ...meh... about Jacinda,
had I not been bombarded over the last few weeks by posts on my feed, praising Jacinda for her "kindness" and efforts to "support the mental health of people, must be so hard going through the pandemic."

Her PR staff has been working overtime, you'd think she's the greatest ever.

She's a con artist, Kim, and I'm sure many of your compadres are starting to think the same.

 

[jaF0]

I truly have zero interest in engaging in this conversation.

And still, she persisted.

 

[adrina]

As I made quite clear, I have plenty of arguments - I just can't be arsed putting in the time to provide the relevant evidence for someone who won't read any of it, and will just move on to the next talking point, as always happens on the GB.

I don't wear a hijab. I'm not Muslim.

I have no idea who's alt you are, but you really are as utterly tiresome as all the guys on here who end up needing multiple alts.

Hash - doing his "Let's bash the liberal women while sucking up to the RWCJ" routine.

I'm sure I'll become a target by posting here. Not like it matters or I care, but this way you at least know what idiot it is that has decided to be an attention whore.

 

[Sean]

Dishrag, the dumbest poster Lit has had since Garbage Can went off to the great neo-nazi rally in the sky, calling out anyone is hilarious.

 

[KimGordon67]

Dishrag, the dumbest poster Lit has had since Garbage Can went off to the great neo-nazi rally in the sky, calling out anyone is hilarious.

OK - this all makes a bit more sense now. Well ... it makes sense that it makes no sense. I'm just not in here often enough to keep track of individual idiots and their various new incarnations.

I'm annoyed that I even responded at all now.

 

[pecksniff]

In what way?

More or less identical to the point of redundancy, yet for some reason separate.

 

[rae121452]

i'm just guessing here but i'd bet debbiex, kim gordon etc. basically don't give a shit what you do.

 

[mayfly13]

More or less identical to the point of redundancy, yet for some reason separate.

YES indeed! They are like that.
NZ and Au towns look like copycats, their accents and mannerisms are almost identical.
But to me, Australia is structured more towards America in certain aspects, NZ - more British and Scandinavian. (but while I admire&like many things about NZers, this one - not so much)

I was told that -White- Canadians are more keen on their continental ties too (Britain and France), parrially as a way to disengage themselves from what they don't like about the US.
Don't know if it's a good or bad thing, I never visited Canada.

 

[mayfly13]

Hash - doing his "Let's bash the liberal women while sucking up to the RWCJ" routine.

I'm sure I'll become a target by posting here. Not like it matters or I care, but this way you at least know what idiot it is that has decided to be an attention whore.

no, my take on Jacinda Adern isn't LIKE that.

She isn't a liberal woman, she's a third wave globalist neoliberal taught in the Tony Blair school.
NOR I see her as a New Zealand politician. She might have been born there, but she follows the ideology of the globalists and greens from London.




This chick --- ASHLEY FRAWLEY, a fantastic & renown Native Canadian sociologist who teaches in England helped me understand third way neoliberalism.
She started sounding the alarm since 2018:

Economics should be about growth, not ‘wellbeing’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/06/12/economics-should-be-about-growth-not-wellbeing/

https://twitter.com/ashleyafrawley/status/1139073435131400192

 

[mayfly13]

In 2019, Ashley Frawley wrote:

"New Zealand is now prioritising ‘wellbeing’ over economic growth. This is nothing to celebrate: it is an attempt to lower the public’s horizons and shield economic policy from democratic debate, says @AshleyAFrawley "

 

[KimGordon67]

no, my take on Jacinda Adern isn't LIKE that.

She isn't a liberal woman, she's a third wave globalist neoliberal taught in the Tony Blair school.
NOR I see her as a New Zealand politician. She might have been born there, but she follows the ideology of the globalists and greens from London.




This chick --- ASHLEY FRAWLEY, a fantastic & renown Native Canadian sociologist who teaches in England helped me understand third way neoliberalism.
She started sounding the alarm since 2018:

Economics should be about growth, not ‘wellbeing’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/06/12/economics-should-be-about-growth-not-wellbeing/

https://twitter.com/ashleyafrawley/status/1139073435131400192

I'm going to respond to this because there's actual 'evidence'. The two links you've provided suggest that Frawley is all about the neoliberal dream (which is firmly based in economic growth). Economic growth is not necessarily a desirable state. The notion that a rising tide lifts all boats simply does not work in the economic world - there's plenty of instances where a country's economy has grown but poverty has grown as well. In these pieces, Frawley appears to be basically championing free market capitalism.

I agree that the push towards 'wellbeing' when applied at an individual level is fundamentally neoliberal, and inherently problematic. But the problem isn't with the concept of wellbeing, it's with where the current use of this concept is focused, i.e. that we just need to focus on our own personal wellbeing. To seek to improve the wellbeing of entire groups of a society, and to put policies in place to do this, rather than excepting them to sort their own problems out (e.g. indigenous people, children living in poverty) isn't neoliberal at all.

I'm not wholeheartedly championing this government - there are many areas in which I'm disappointed with their actions. But the idea that economic growth is an inherently good thing is just wrong-headed.

 

[mayfly13]

I'm going to respond to this because there's actual 'evidence'. The two links you've provided suggest that Frawley is all about the neoliberal dream (which is firmly based in economic growth). Economic growth is not necessarily a desirable state. The notion that a rising tide lifts all boats simply does not work in the economic world - there's plenty of instances where a country's economy has grown but poverty has grown as well. In these pieces, Frawley appears to be basically championing free market capitalism.

I agree that the push towards 'wellbeing' when applied at an individual level is fundamentally neoliberal, and inherently problematic. But the problem isn't with the concept of wellbeing, it's with where the current use of this concept is focused, i.e. that we just need to focus on our own personal wellbeing. To seek to improve the wellbeing of entire groups of a society, and to put policies in place to do this, rather than excepting them to sort their own problems out (e.g. indigenous people, children living in poverty) isn't neoliberal at all.

I'm not wholeheartedly championing this government - there are many areas in which I'm disappointed with their actions. But the idea that economic growth is an inherently good thing is just wrong-headed.

Your comments & logic seem sound.


But where did it go so awfully wrong for NZ?

3-4 years ago, the US/Canada/UK/ and many others saw NZ under Jacinda as seen as the beacon that the entire World should aspire to.

Yet now, it's on the radar of the Human Rights commission,
given that the rates of child poverty and homelessness have more than doubled over the last 3-4 years.



The prevailing comments that I see online are in the line of
either : Jacinda is strong at PR but has no substance
or "she carried a heavy burden due to the burden 'Nationals' left her"