Call to sterilise incest couple

[starrkers]

A high-profile child protection advocate says a father and daughter who have had two children together should be forcibly sterilised.

John Deaves, 61, and his daughter Jenny, 39, of Kalangadoo in South Australia have been put on a good behaviour bond and forbidden from further sexual contact, after pleading guilty to incest.

The couple's first child died just after birth from a congenital heart disorder and their second was born last year.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/08/2211303.htm?section=justin

Earlier story

 

[Boxlicker101]

A high-profile child protection advocate says a father and daughter who have had two children together should be forcibly sterilised.

John Deaves, 61, and his daughter Jenny, 39, of Kalangadoo in South Australia have been put on a good behaviour bond and forbidden from further sexual contact, after pleading guilty to incest.

The couple's first child died just after birth from a congenital heart disorder and their second was born last year.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/08/2211303.htm?section=justin

Earlier story

I'm a believer in leaving people alone, even in a case such as this one. At the same time, since there is a good chance of producing children with genetic defects, as has already happened, I have many misgivings. They really should get at least one of the couple sterilized, which would, hopefully, solve the problem. As for the incest, with no children involved, that is their own business.

 

[Belegon]

I don't believe in forcing any kind of medical procedure... but I must admit that the possible implications here test my resolve in the matter.

I have to admit that I am just glad I don't have to make that decision....

 

[starrkers]

Indeed. It is a major dilemma.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The same argument can and was made for sterilizing a diverse group of peoples back in the 1920s. It will surprise many people to learn that Margaret Sanger's advocacy of abortions was an effort to control incest, congenital idiots, and blacks.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Starrkers, there has already been a "forced Sterilization" argument in the U.S. Some moron wanted to have all welfare mothers and the mentally handicapped sterilized "for their own good."

Here it didn't happen and won't because it's a clear violation of their civil rights.

Now we have Australia looking at the same question based in incest? Give me a break. If incest was grounds for forced sterilization, a measurable percentage of the world's population would have to stand in line.

Is father-daughter incest and child creation a good idea? Genetically, no. Just look at the aristocracy in Europe at the beginning of WWI. Half of them were mental retards, hemopheliacs or some other negative genetic trait.

But is it really any or our business?

 

[voluptuary_manque]

That's a tough one. There's this line between "none of our business" and "my brother's keeper" and I'm with Bel on this. Glad it ain't my decision.

 

[R. Richard]

Having sex is 'their own business.' Producing genetically defective children is society's business. JMHO.

 

[impressive]

Having sex is 'their own business.' Producing genetically defective children is society's business. JMHO.

Yes, all parents -- related or not -- who produce a defective child should be forbidden from having any more children. One, or both, must be sterilized -- for the good of all humanity.

Oh, and while we're at it, let's also sterilize those who might have "defective" children -- or even just stupid children.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Incest does not automatically produce defective offspring, you know.

It certainly will multiply the probability, because any recessive genes may be reinforced. But plenty of babies are born with heart defects to perfectly normal couples, and we are not hearing about the first child-- if it were any sort of monster, you can bet the newspapers would be picking up on it!

(eta) Oh snap, Imp!

 

[rgraham666]

I had to think about this.

And my decision is no, they shouldn't be sterilized. It simply isn't our place to say who can and can't have children.

And to the genetic purity freaks, fuck you.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Might we sterilize those who have stupid parents? You wouldn't believe some of the ones we run into at school . . .

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Having sex is 'their own business.' Producing genetically defective children is society's business. JMHO.

*looking around for the swastika*

Uh. No.

Unless that child falls into the state's hands for some reason (the death of both parents, for example, with no other family to care for them) there's no reason for the state to be involved in the first place.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Is R. Richard was a libertarian. That statement sounded like a fascist.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Is R. Richard was a libertarian. That statement sounded like a fascist.

You don't have to be a fascist to be a totalitarian. Think Mao, think Stalin, think (current political candidates/office holders deleted here) who have nothing but your best interests at heart!

 

[R. Richard]

Is R. Richard was a libertarian. That statement sounded like a fascist.

No, I am not a fascist, although I have been called a fascist pig.

People produce a genetically defective child. That can happen to any parents. although incest increases the risk. What I am referring to is parents who produce a second, third, etc. child after they realize that they will most likely produce a genetically defective child.

Back in the South Central there was a woman, on welfare. who produced three severely retarded children, despite knowing that she had a genetic defect that made the production of such severely retarded children almost a certaintly. She defended what she had done because she was raising the children [ignoring the fact that she was on welfare.] The poor children had no real chance to succeed in this world. Then, the woman began to realize what sort of situation she had gotten herself into and she split for parts unknown. She did call for the welfare people to come and get the children she left behind, rather than let them starve to death. However, the taxpayers of Los Angeles [County, rather than city, I think,] then got to pick up the tab.

An adult can, to some extent, live the life they choose. However, I am unalterably against my having to pay for said adults's lifestyle. If that makes me a fascist, then fascist I am. [I am NOT a fascist pig!]

 

[R. Richard]

You don't have to be a fascist to be a totalitarian. Think Mao, think Stalin, think (current political candidates/office holders deleted here) who have nothing but your best interests at heart!

If my opinion that a person should pay for what they order makes me a totalitarian, then you will find any number of shop keepers who are totalitarians. It comes with the territory.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

No, I am not a fascist, although I have been called a fascist pig.

People produce a genetically defective child. That can happen to any parents. although incest increases the risk. What I am referring to is parents who produce a second, third, etc. child after they realize that they will most likely produce a genetically defective child.

Back in the South Central there was a woman, on welfare. who produced three severely retarded children, despite knowing that she had a genetic defect that made the production of such severely retarded children almost a certaintly. She defended what she had done because she was raising the children [ignoring the fact that she was on welfare.] The poor children had no real chance to succeed in this world. Then, the woman began to realize what sort of situation she had gotten herself into and she split for parts unknown. She did call for the welfare people to come and get the children she left behind, rather than let them starve to death. However, the taxpayers of Los Angeles [County, rather than city, I think,] then got to pick up the tab.

An adult can, to some extent, live the life they choose. However, I am unalterably against my having to pay for said adults's lifestyle. If that makes me a fascist, then fascist I am. [I am NOT a fascist pig!]

Uh, R. Richard, do I know you? That case sounds remarkably familiar from back in the day when I worked for SSA at 103rd and S. Central.

 

[R. Richard]

Uh, R. Richard, do I know you? That case sounds remarkably familiar from back in the day when I worked for SSA at 103rd and S. Central.

Do the name 'Whi' Boy' sound familiar? I be knowed as Whi' Boy in the South Central until my encounter with the pimp they called Tank. After that, they be callin' me Willie Green.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

An adult can, to some extent, live the life they choose. However, I am unalterably against my having to pay for said adults's lifestyle. If that makes me a fascist, then fascist I am.

Some could argue that society pays for your right to write erotic stories involving rape and/or incest that could incite someone to such acts.



Think about it, man.

Where do you draw that line???

I'm just sayin'........

 

[R. Richard]

Some could argue that society pays for your right to write erotic stories involving rape and/or incest that could incite someone to such acts.



Think about it, man.

Where do you draw that line???

I'm just sayin'........

Selena:
I write erotic stories, true. However, I do have to follow certain rules. I can write about underage sex or a girl who has a thing for her German shepard.

If someone is incited to acts of violence by my erotic stories, I have to wonder why they were not in prison already.

My feelings about having to pick up the tab are not at all involved with sex alone. There are people who want to injure themselves. I am against people deliberately injuring themselves and completely against my having to pay for it.

ETA: When Whi' Boy stalked the South Central, he never took one cent of welfare, despite living in an abandoned building [the free rent worked well with my budget.] I also was able to effectively deal with any number of anti-social elements in the South Central. I have already mentioned Tank, who gave up pimping after I got finished with him. I also managed to end the long standing problems cause by one 'Gorilla ' [another pimp] athough the scumbags shot him in the back first. I also cut WAY down on the scum who dealt drugs from steet corners, mainly by taking their money from them [no cost to society.]

 

[CharleyH]

A high-profile child protection advocate says a father and daughter who have had two children together should be forcibly sterilised.

John Deaves, 61, and his daughter Jenny, 39, of Kalangadoo in South Australia have been put on a good behaviour bond and forbidden from further sexual contact, after pleading guilty to incest.

The couple's first child died just after birth from a congenital heart disorder and their second was born last year.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/08/2211303.htm?section=justin

Earlier story

I believe incest disgusts me. I especially think, in this case, that the daughter had no choice in deciding whom she may love or would have loved given the chance. She is an emotional prisoner in my opinion.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I believe incest disgusts me. I especially think, in this case, that the daughter had no choice in deciding whom she may love or would have loved given the chance. She is an emotional prisoner in my opinion.

And all "submissives" in BDSM relationships are emotional prisoners?

Careful where your argument may lead...

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Do the name 'Whi' Boy' sound familiar? I be knowed as Whi' Boy in the South Central until my encounter with the pimp they called Tank. After that, they be callin' me Willie Green.

Nope, it must have been after my time. I left the place back in about '84 and I ain't been back since!

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I see this argument going on and on, back and forth. But there are two separate issues here.

The first issue is the criminal act of incest. For that, the local laws should prevail. What exactly is the penalty for incest? I don't know, but I doubt is is involuntary sterilization.

The second issue is the baby. Do I think it's wrong? Yes. Do I think close relations should be procreating? No. Is there a chance of undesirable (I won't say negative) genetic traits being transmitted by that kind of union? Yes.

That said, is involuntary sterilization appropriat? for two healthy people? Hell no. Nobody is thinking about the child. If the parents are jailed for the crime of incest, what happens to the kid? Can the courts separate the partents indefinately? Of course.

I truely believe there is something that can be done short of mutilation to deal with this situation that takes the child into concideration too.