But literotica does not allow rape stories.

[lovecraft68]

Found this in the visual artists thread. I could care less about the guys covers, but each is from a lit story and in each cover he has a blurb. Read them Especially the first one.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah those stories are really "gray area" aren't they?

Free country, free speech, people can read and write what they choose,

But one more time I wish the person who runs this site would openly admit they allow this material and stop lying like a child.

Here's the link to the thread so you can see the story links and know this guy did not make these blurbs up.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=56972890#post56972890

Hmmm "Its tricky!" especially the one that starts with "she knew all three would rape her" yes, I can see the "dubious" consent there. Glad I don't have to try to figure out such intricate rules of rape and consent.

 

[patientlee]

These are disturbing. More than reluctance or non consent.

 

[LadyVer]

Lit's Rape Culture

at its best.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

When rape is in the title....Someone was asleep at the switch. Disgusting shit.

 

[RejectReality]

There isn't a "no rape" rule, and never has been. The keyword, I believe, is forbidden. Then again, so is anything that has "baby" in it. So completely safe words like babysitter, babydoll, etc. are also forbidden.

What Laurel has always said is that rape fantasy is allowed. Rapist fantasy is not.

The blurbs presented on these fan-made covers are indeed text from the story, but there's no context of the story.

Here's another blurb from "promised land":

A hand grabbed your hair. You knew why. Opening your mouth, accepting the cock, wanting the cock. Sucking hard on it as it fucked your mouth.

'Fuck, she is good at eating cock' the voice said. Sucking heavily, taking him deep, imitating the movements of the cock in your ass. Pain, wonderful pain.

'Yes, fuck me harder you bastards, hurt me, fuck me hard'

And Peggy's Motel:

"It's about time," said Peggy with a giggle. "It's just about cut the circulation off to my hands!"

The man she'd been calling 'Boss' looked sheepish. "Yeah, I guess I do get carried away," he said. "But you wanted it to be realistic. And you said you didn't want to have a 'safe' word, so, well, we just kept going." He shrugged into his sports jacket and pulled a striped necktie from the pocket.

And Trudy:

All of this came from his cock sinking deeply and slowly into her pussy, touching every sensitive nerve she had there and many more she didn't know were there. Nothing in her whole life ever felt this good. Her whole being centered on the cock that gave her nothing but pure joy.

The first one on the list is very questionable in my eyes with regards to the guidelines, and two of the others as well -- despite the blurbs I posted indicating her giving in to arousal. The other is undoubtedly well withing bounds, despite the blurbs presented on the fan-covers. The one is a complete fake-out and role-playing.

 

[lovecraft68]

So if I write a scene where a mother slips into her sons bed and proceeds to suck him off then go around the world with him then.....

Kid wakes up, all a wet dream.

That's not an incest story? The reader forgets what he read or they go "I knew he was dreaming and was not aroused at all by the story"

Because that is the key. Whether it is a dream, a role play, a story someone was telling another character, a movie scene being shot (a device I sued but not for a rape story) at the end of the day the scene is a flat out non consent and in these cases brutal rape scene and that is what the reader is stroking to. It's all fiction regardless anyway, so all of a sudden its not non con, that guys hard on was because he knew it was a "role play"

try again, it is rape fpor titillation and again you're missing my point. I don;t challenge the right for it to be wherever I hate it and would love it to never be written, but that's censorship and even with this subject I would not want to see it.

My point is the tiresome lie that there is a rule about the "victim enjoying" the assault and there have been people who have posted, pissed off because their rape story was rejected meanwhile this filth is everywhere.

So once again, own your damn shit(the site, not you BTW) stop saying "well we have this rule" and then you have a section called NON CONSENT. If I were these authors I would assume I could write this and worse here.

Lits "rules" are all cop outs end of the day asstr has nothing on lit except the authors are a more clever and the owner pretends they have standards.

 

[lovecraft68]

One more point. If anyone is up for a little exercise, take those blurbs and rewrite then into a story where it is a guy tied down who knows three women are going to rape his ass bloody with strap ons.

See if it makes it.

Literotica has a strong culture of rape and abuse of women and that is all over the forums except for the writing ones and the pic threads. And in the pic threads its because the women are all showing their tits which according to most of lit is all they are good for.

But when the site owner thinks the word cunt is funny and that cyber bullying equates freedom of speech, why not, right?

I have two daughters in their twenties and I would never want them here. Not because its a "porn site" but because I would be afraid they'd be stalked by one of the psychos who think the above stories are instruction manuals for dating.

I'm wasting my breath. You people can enjoy your trip down the river "denial" Calling a spade a spade is a thing from a bygone era.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Clockwork Orange, Straw Dogs - two movies off the top of my head that portray rape. Both are by accomplished writers. Both are/were very popular; one at least became a cult movie.
Why is the line drawn between these writers and Lit's?

To suggest that the so-called 'psychos' who belong to Lit get off on this and will go off and rape is akin to the argument that violent video games will produce wanton murderers.

If you take that line, then it could be argued that any of the erotic adventures that are published have the same outcome. I doubt it.

 

[lovecraft68]

Clockwork Orange, Straw Dogs - two movies off the top of my head that portray rape. Both are by accomplished writers. Both are/were very popular; one at least became a cult movie.
Why is the line drawn between these writers and Lit's?

To suggest that the so-called 'psychos' who belong to Lit get off on this and will go off and rape is akin to the argument that violent video games will produce wanton murderers.

If you take that line, then it could be argued that any of the erotic adventures that are published have the same outcome. I doubt it.

Its not the stories. Its the posters. Create a female alt and post something other than "Hey guys, wannas see my tits" and see where you get.

And you're another one that cannot read.

Its not the stories that are here its the point of when is the site going to just flat out admit they are welcome here?

That's the point. Stop picking and choosing and trying to pretend there is a standard here that does not exist.

And 99% of people would not act out these stories. But 1% will. And if you think the feds are not on this site and others like white on rice looking for rapists as much as pedos you're delusional.

As for your movie examples? There's plenty more as well Girl with a Dragon tattoo a recent one.

Difference? The movie was not 100% about rape. It was a plot device to further the total story.

Rape for titillation and rape as part of are very different. On a site like this the rape is all there is, its all they are here to read and get off to. So not the same thing at all.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Its not the stories. Its the posters. Create a female alt and post something other than "Hey guys, wannas see my tits" and see where you get.

And you're another one that cannot read.

Its not the stories that are here its the point of when is the site going to just flat out admit they are welcome here?

That's the point. Stop picking and choosing and trying to pretend there is a standard here that does not exist.

And 99% of people would not act out these stories. But 1% will. And if you think the feds are not on this site and others like white on rice looking for rapists as much as pedos you're delusional.

Yeah, I admit, I skim read the OP. And, yes, I had that thought the other night, that sites like this might be infiltrated by law enforcement officers.
If it helps convict I condone their presence.
lol..the poster who wanted my present coordinates to launch a drone after some of my comments about 9/11 might not have been fooling!

 

[PennLady]

I have two daughters in their twenties and I would never want them here. Not because its a "porn site" but because I would be afraid they'd be stalked by one of the psychos who think the above stories are instruction manuals for dating.

I'm wasting my breath. You people can enjoy your trip down the river "denial" Calling a spade a spade is a thing from a bygone era.

Okay, fine, I won't say you don't have a point, or that this "guide" or "rule" is fuzzy at best.

But if so, why do you still post stories here?

 

[RejectReality]

The section is indeed called "non-consent". That's where trying to paint the site as hypocritical falls apart, right from the get-go. The site does own that the stories are allowed.

Despite that, ranting posts over the years indicate it's easily the second most rejected type of content on the site -- especially outside of the category set aside for it.

If anything, it's people writing those stories and getting rejected when they cross the line who have a reason to complain. They're getting rejected for non-con on a site with a category called non-con.

Laurel simply has different tolerance limits for non-con fiction than you do.

 

[Swilly]

Reluctance is one thing, that might even speak to seduction. Non consent and rape? I don't get the turn on.

 

[loquere]

at its best.

Was that necessary?

 

[LadyVer]

Was that necessary?

Was what necessary?

 

[lovecraft68]

The section is indeed called "non-consent". That's where trying to paint the site as hypocritical falls apart, right from the get-go. The site does own that the stories are allowed.

Despite that, ranting posts over the years indicate it's easily the second most rejected type of content on the site -- especially outside of the category set aside for it.

If anything, it's people writing those stories and getting rejected when they cross the line who have a reason to complain. They're getting rejected for non-con on a site with a category called non-con.

Laurel simply has different tolerance limits for non-con fiction than you do.

First off its not about her tolerance. If the above stories were allowed through anything should be.

Point is there is no screening process other than did someone 17 just say "dick" that's all she cares about and even under age is a joke here, "budding breasts." many stories have that term. What does that mean to you? Means underage, but they did not use a number. A screening process catches that, a "um, yeah whatever" does not.

I don't feel like looking for it, but you know the site so go find the section in the FAQ under my story was rejected. Follow the link to "Killer muffins" thread and read the reasons why. Last one is non consent. Goes into that the victim has to enjoy it at some point blah, blah, blah....

That is where the hypocrisy of a non consent section lies. And its only hypocrisy when she decides, nah, I'll reject this story, but that one is okay and they are the same content.

The other hypocrisy is that men are not allowed to be sexually tortured or mutilated. Women can be raped, abused and even have their bodies modified, but men cannot be castrated or tortured and the reason for that is the site has to protect its sniveling male audience who would be upset if something happened to a penis.

A Misogynistic haven this site is. You'd never know it was run by a woman.

 

[lovecraft68]

Was that necessary?

Seeing you're here.

How do all your ideas about rapists getting mutilated and killed here go over? I think you're usually told they won't be accepted.

Now why is that? See my above post for why.

 

[lovecraft68]

Anyway this is tiresome. Same old boot licking lemmings afraid to say boo about anything.

Same old lies, same old spins.

I expected no less.

The glorification of the abuse of women is funny, of course it. And its just fiction. Until its a man being abused then its "oh no" then its serious.

Dickless cowards authors and readers of those stories, just spineless filth who'd cry if they were threatened by someone who could hurt them.

I've had that pleasure many times and here's to many more.

 

[RejectReality]

The other hypocrisy is that men are not allowed to be sexually tortured or mutilated. Women can be raped, abused and even have their bodies modified, but men cannot be castrated or tortured and the reason for that is the site has to protect its sniveling male audience who would be upset if something happened to a penis.

A Misogynistic haven this site is. You'd never know it was run by a woman.

You keep saying that, but I've never seen you point to a single example of anything Laurel has said or any pattern in rejection complaints that indicates it.

On the contrary, the very first result in a non-con category search for femdom produces this:

http://www.literotica.com/s/dark-alley-hardcore-strap-on-femdom

Disturbing strap-on rape scene with a cop-out "got a blowjob for my trouble" at the end.

 

[DirtyAllie]

They don't get it, LC and they never will.

Life experience changes everything and I doubt any supporters of the garbage above has that experience.

Its like incest, fun fantasy for some, but if you've ever been molested by a family member? Of course not.

"Its only fiction" is a line used by those, who for them, it always has been and hopefully always will be just that.

For those who see the results of rape in real life on a daily basis. The above is disgusting, but only because I've seen what I have seen. Its just funny to the rest.

They're not worth the angst, close minded people never are and unfortunately principles and ideals are seen as stupidity.

You're a little extreme sometimes, LC, but your dedication is admirable and I'd take you any day of the week and twice on Sunday over the sad excuses for men that populate this site.

Just know at the end of the day when it dawns on people the effect this trash can have on certain individuals that you won't be the one to say "Well I thought it was harmless"

I know its not. I work with victims as a career, the people here speak out of their ass to protect their precious site.

 

[xelliebabex]

Yeah those stories are really "gray area" aren't they?

Free country, free speech, people can read and write what they choose,

But one more time I wish the person who runs this site would openly admit they allow this material and stop lying like a child.

Here's the link to the thread so you can see the story links and know this guy did not make these blurbs up.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=56972890#post56972890

Hmmm "Its tricky!" especially the one that starts with "she knew all three would rape her" yes, I can see the "dubious" consent there. Glad I don't have to try to figure out such intricate rules of rape and consent.

I Tend to think in terms of degrees. It is no secret that many women have rape fantasies, how that is written about and the type of context that is put in I think is the point here.

Can you really just paint all of these non-consent/reluctance stories with the same brush?

The OP and i have had a conversation about this topic and his feelings about the whole category and I fully agree with the basis of his arguments but having said that, not everything in the non-consent and reluctance category is a hard core rape story as Reject Reality pointed out.

I think when we are talking about censorship, we have to be careful about sweeping broad comments such as this and the ripple effect it could have on other stories.

Should the outcry be enough to censor this one category, could then the same arguments be used by the people against incest because their family has been torn apart by such deeds, or teacher/student relationships and other area's where one person is in a position of power over another or is in the main seen as illegal/immoral?

I am not saying I am in favor of rape stories but I can say that I am against such broad overarching censorship.

 

[RejectReality]

Should the outcry be enough to censor this one category, could then the same arguments be used by the people against incest because their family has been torn apart by such deeds, or teacher/student relationships and other area's where one person is in a position of power over another or is in the main seen as illegal/immoral?

That exact argument was just used to eliminate the Incest category over on another site with zero warning. The announcement was immediately greeted by people "in the know" and moderators with such statements as "Glad to see those sick stories and the child molesters who read them gone. Now I'm not ashamed to be here."

Once everyone else found out about it ( most via an email notification that their stories in the category had been deleted ) and started protesting, they locked all the threads and made it a bannable offense to even mention it.

 

[loquere]

Was what necessary?

http://www.un.org/en/

 

[xelliebabex]

That exact argument was just used to eliminate the Incest category over on another site with zero warning. The announcement was immediately greeted by people "in the know" and moderators with such statements as "Glad to see those sick stories and the child molesters who read them gone. Now I'm not ashamed to be here."

Once everyone else found out about it ( most via an email notification that their stories in the category had been deleted ) and started protesting, they locked all the threads and made it a bannable offense to even mention it.

I don't know about other sites as i do not post anywhere but here. My point was more about wanting to be careful about censorship. I am reminded of the book burnings that used to happen because someone who had the best of intentions didn't realize the far reaching implications of what they had started.

Again i do not believe that rape is okay in any real world context but this is a privately owned site and they choose to allow non-consent/reluctance within their own set of parameters. I think the perpetrators of such dark deeds in the real world are troubled souls who would be influenced by more graphics sites far more than the fantasy worlds created here.