Bush's latest knee jerk reaction...

[p_p_man]

"Let's have an increased logging program" says George, "it'll help stop the risk of forest fires!"

Sure, George, sure. And help cut down the amount of oxygen in the air, help increase global warming and help to destroy thousands upon thousands of acres of natural beauty.

But it will help to stop forest fires and...

Put some damn useful campaign contributions donated by the logging companies into the Republicans' election bank account.

ppman

 

[HeavyStick]

Growing trees produce more oxygen than mature trees.

 

[koalabear]

He gave the ok to level the mountains in West Virginia for the coal companies, He has to do the same for the timber folks. Those Electorial votes aren't free.

 

[Lost Cause]

Sounds like "Forest" envy....

Since England itself wiped out it's great forest regions by the 1800's. If you look at the stats, the US has MORE trees than when it began. Reforestation is a great contributor, as well as our National Park system. We've had a serious bout of uncontrollable fires in the last five years. Our Bureau of Land Management came out with a conclusion that because some areas are not managed, undergrowth dies and becomes tinder. In a lightning storm, that dead growth ignites like a roman candle, and is out of contol before firefighters arrive. It is not PC, but managed logging is the best way to prevent this condition. We lose thousand of acres to wildfires every year, that's more trees that will not clean the air, nor prevent runoffs from destroying wildlfe areas.
The political angle that the opposition spews, is just that..political.

Tiiiimmmmmbbbeeerrrr!

 

[Lost Cause]

One quick sidenote...

From www.forestinformation.com

North America's forests are abundant and growing. Between them Canada and the United States contain 15 percent (10 percent in Canada and 5 percent in the U.S.) of the Earth's forest cover. The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization's (FAO) State of the World's Forests 2001 reports that North American forest cover expanded nearly 10 million acres (4 million hectares) over the last decade.


*Any politician that says they don't recieve campaign money from their logging/mining/or whatever companies, are liars.

 

[teddybear4play]

Sure, George, sure. And help cut down the amount of oxygen in the air, help increase global warming and help to destroy thousands upon thousands of acres of natural beauty.

Yep, forest fires do all that. Seems to me we ought to stop them, eh? And if we reap a needed commodity from it, so much the better.

Put some damn useful campaign contributions donated by the logging companies into the Republicans' election bank account.

Give me a fucking break. Are the forest fires in America making the news there? Do you know what's happening? This year alone fires have destroyed enough trees to cut a swath from New York to Los Angeles 62 miles wide. But heaven forbid you do something other than pop off some pre-programmed, anti-Bush horseshit.

Wouldn't want you to think too hard and give you a migraine or anything. The hamster might fall off the wheel, you know . . .

TB4p

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Bush's latest knee jerk reaction...

Give me a fucking break. Are the forest fires in America making the news there?

Yep, big time, as was George's statement last night on lifting the logging restrictions.

You seem to forget that anything George says or does is big news throughout the world...

Sometimes for their rare serious moments but more often for their comic value...

ppman

 

[Weevil]

Re: Re: Re: Bush's latest knee jerk reaction...

Yep, big time, as was George's statement last night on lifting the logging restrictions.

You seem to forget that anything George says or does is big news throughout the world...

Sometimes for their rare serious moments but more often for their comic value...

ppman

Sorry Peeps but you're wrong on this one. Provided that it's done responsibly and with the preservation of forests at the forefront of the Administrations thoughts clearing sme forests would be the best thing for the majority of our trees.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush's latest knee jerk reaction...

Sorry Peeps but you're wrong on this one. Provided that it's done responsibly and with the preservation of forests at the forefront of the Administrations thoughts clearing sme forests would be the best thing for the majority of our trees.

True. I changed my mind during the night when the news caught up with the facts

But the environmentalists are already gearing themselve up to oppose the idea based a lot on the same comment I made about money in the pockets of the logging companies...

ppman

 

[koalabear]

Where they screw up is they let them go in and clear cut whole mountains. Controlled burning would take care of the problem. It is not that there are too many trees that cause the fires, it is to much underbrush.

 

[SINthysist]

Man I was about to C&P you to death with truth, but you have seen it.

I am impressed. I do want to give you this one bit of exerpt though...

Thursday, Aug. 22, 2002
Bush Fights Fire-Fueling 'Greens'

To the dismay of environment-destroying "environmentalists," President Bush today shifted federal policy toward thinning national forests to reduce the risk of wildfires.

"The forest policy of our government is misguided policy. It doesn't work," Bush told cheering residents outside Medford, Ore., near the state's largest fire on record.

"We need to thin. We need to make our forests healthy by using some common sense.

"We need to understand that if we let kindling build up and there's a lightning strike, you gonna get yourself a big fire. That's what we gotta understand."

It makes sense to clear brush, he said. "We just haven't done it, and we're now paying the price."

At the still-smoldering Squires Peak fire, surrounded by dead, blackened trees, Bush said: "This is the second fire site I've been to this summer, and it's the same story. Had we properly managed our forests, the devastation caused would not have been nearly as severe, and it's a crying shame. ... What the critics need to do is come stand where I stand."

Talking with firefighters still working on piles of embers, Bush said: "You guys see what good practices mean, what bad practices mean firsthand. We're trying to bring common sense to forest policy."

Fireman Cody Goodnough replied, "That will make our job easier."

'Green' With Envy

Left-wing groups that style themselves as "environmentalist" were aghast that that fire reduction plan might actually provide work for the loggers they hate so much. They'd rather have trees burn than provide anyone a livelihood.

"Unfortunately, the administration is exploiting the fear of fires to push through its pro-logging agenda," complained an organization that dubs itself Natural Resources Defense Council.

Ranting at Bush, Silent on Daschle

To prove that these groups are little more than shills for the Democratic Party, here's a fascinating fact that the mainstream media will refuse to mention: These same so-called "greens" did not scream and moan when Senate plurality leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., sneaked in a measure exempting only his home state from fire-abetting environmental regulations and lawsuits.


These same bureaucratic rules and nuisance lawsuits are partly responsible for wildfires that have burned nearly 6 million acres in the West this summer, double the usual acreage. The fires will cost taxpayers up to $1.5 billion this year, according to wire services.

'No More Trees to Hug'

As fire victim Jim Cundiff of Linden, Calif., said this summer: "Don't come up here in designer clothes and an SUV and tell me you love the woods. There's no more trees to hug."


To clear a decades-long buildup of highly flammable materials and cut the risk of catastrophic burns, Bush's plan would:


Streamline review of the environmental effects of proposed logging and brush clearing.

Change the standards by which those proposals are approved.

Allow government agencies to negotiate contracts giving companies the right to sell the wood products they harvest in exchange for removing them from the forest.

Make it harder for "environmental" groups to appeal plans for tree thinning and brush clearing.
During his speech in Medford, Bush also urged Congress to pass legislation to reduce frivolous lawsuits. With trial lawyers funneling even more money than the "greens" to the Democrats, this is another worthy but daunting task.

 

[SINthysist]

Note how clearing Brush is really BIG with Bush. Whether in a speech on the environment or at home on the ranch.

A fixation with clearing brush...




And for those of you whom skipped it, my favorite quote from the article:

As fire victim Jim Cundiff of Linden, Calif., said this summer: "Don't come up here in designer clothes and an SUV and tell me you love the woods. There's no more trees to hug."

 

[asenath]

Re: Sounds like "Forest" envy....

If you look at the stats, the US has MORE trees than when it began.

Show me the stats.

 

[SINthysist]

There's more deer too!

 

[SINthysist]

Actually, due to the massive crown killing fires created by the green terrorists and their allies in the legal profession, we may actually not have more at the moment!

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Where they screw up is they let them go in and clear cut whole mountains. Controlled burning would take care of the problem. It is not that there are too many trees that cause the fires, it is to much underbrush.

Koala, it's also a problem of too many trees! When forests are dense, especially in the west, new growth is very slow because trees share scarce resources. The smaller, packed in trees act as a good portion of the kindling to start the crown fires that destroy the entire forest as well as the ground that is needed to grow new trees. Our arrid western forests should be thinned to about 25% of what we have allowed them to become, as well as removing "dead and down" fuel.

Rhumb