Brutal Gang Rape

[kindawild]

A really disgustingly detailed account of a brutal gang rape of a man by 12+ (legal age) teens.

Be SUPER detailed and disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a challenge for the writers out there. Paint a really nasty pic in words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

Yeah, how about pictures too???

Add some pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Axeltheswede]

Brutal gang rape

I suggest you check out the "Extreme" section listed on the main menu. There are some stories there that cover what you are looking for.

 

[ilovewriting]

A really disgustingly detailed account of a brutal gang rape of a man by 12+ (legal age) teens.

Be SUPER detailed and disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a challenge for the writers out there. Paint a really nasty pic in words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gang rape should not be made into a story.

 

[Axeltheswede]

Brutal gang rape

This isn't my cup of tea from the standpoint of taste. But, I'm wondering why you don't think it should be the subject of a story, ilovewriting.

 

[ilovewriting]

Re: Brutal gang rape

Deleated

 

[Tatewaki]

Re: Re: Brutal gang rape

Because you dont know the reality of gang rape. I do.
Yes some may say one of my stories on lit is gang rape, but i assure you it isnt and would go into it in detail if someone critisized me for it.

ilovewriting;

How the hell do you know what I do and do not know, fellow? You know what my experiences are? You know what I've seen or been through? Do you know anyone on this board so well you can make blanket statements like "Because you dont know the reality of gang rape. I do."

Axel could've spent 15 years in Attica Correctional getting his 'Lessons in Reality' on a daily basis. I could be typing from a prison right now, keeping my mind busy and terrified about what is going to again happen to me in a few short hours. Who are you to say?

That, and is male gang rape the only thing that disturbs you? Is old fashioned one-on-one sexual assault more permissible in your eyes?

There are plenty of stories that I find quite unsavoury on Lit, as well as published on other websites and in bound form. But is it not up to me to say "Don't write about that. It shouldn't be made into a story." It isn't up to you either.

The onus is on you not to read material that squicks you out. I think that is why Laurel set the age of admission here to 18. Legal adults have can govern themselves and their actions. When you come across something you don't like posted on Lit click on the Back Button on your browser.

It's as simple as that.

-T

 

[fanzee1]

Re: Re: Re: Brutal gang rape

-T

Ah the good old days, when men were men and rape was 1-on-1.

LOL.

 

[Axeltheswede]

Brutal gang rape

Thank you for a well thought out response, Tate. I couldn't agree more.

When I see a statement like, "Gang rape should not be made into a story", the censorship alarm goes off in my mind. When that is followed by an assumption as to what I know or don't know, it just gets more irritating. If we deferred writing something because it brought back someone's personal demons, very little would get written.

To ilovewriting, you determine what you choose to read, I will determine what I want to write.

By the way, how Tatewaki figured out I spent 15 years in Attica is a mystery to me. I thought I was better at keeping secrets than that.

 

[NCmVoyeur]

Chill a bit

Axel, Tatewaki, ease up.

Axel, you asked Ilovewriting why he felt that gang rape was not a suitable subject for a story. He (I assume he's a he) gave his response. From what I see, it was reasonable response.

Originally posted by Tatewaki
How the hell do you know what I do and do not know, fellow? You know what my experiences are? You know what I've seen or been through? Do you know anyone on this board so well you can make blanket statements like "Because you dont know the reality of gang rape. I do."

First, his comment was directed to Axel.

Second, most writers/posters here seem genuinely nice, and given a choice between assuming a poster's statement was purposefully contentious and assuming a point was well-meant but perhaps less-than-perfectly expressed, I'll give the benefit of the doubt and opt for the latter. I read ILW to be saying that he has some personal experience with gang rape, whereas Axel (in all likelihood--the words ILW omitted) doesn't. That's an assumption on his part, but a pretty safe one (prob. very few people here have had first-hand experience with gang rape).

And, both of you, given a chance to prove ILW wrong and claim actual first-hand experience, ducked. So his assumption appears correct.

Originally posted by Axeltheswede
When I see a statement like, "Gang rape should not be made into a story", the censorship alarm goes off in my mind.

But why here? Censorship has to do state-instituted legal prohibition. ILW was asked his opinion and he stated--as a matter of judgment and discretion, not legality--that such stories should not be written. Now, many would agree with him (and there is some sociological data to support this) that violent pornography leads in some cases to people actually acting out the fantasy. You may disagree, but ILW's position isn't unreasonable. Just because something legally can be written, doesn't mean it should be, nor that opposition to its publication is improper.

Anyway, that's my read.

 

[Axeltheswede]

Brutal gang rape

The discussion continues. As a matter of fact, I do have some first hand experience with gang rape.

There is a big leap from "I don't read (fill in the blank) stories" to "(Fill in the blank) stories should not be written". The first is a statement of personal taste. The second projects that personal taste on other people.

I spent ten years on a library board. We fought continuous battles with people who wished to impose their personal tastes on the patrons of the library. They wanted books banned they had never read, for reasons they could seldom define. That is the origin to my sensitivity concerning censorship.

I asked the question of ilovewriting because I wanted to know why such a blanket statement was made. I got my answer and I reacted to it. I didn't see any point in getting into "my experience was worse than yours" discussion.

My opinion has not changed. If writers shied away from a subject because it might resurrect someone's personal demons, very little would be written.

 

[ilovewriting]

Deleated

 

[Tatewaki]

One of my good friend was gang raped and now has a child to a farther who she never knew so dont fucking go off at me!
And if i want to say people shouldnt write about it then that is MY FUCKING RIGHT.
If they dont want to take that advice then thats not up to me to decide, it is just my opinion and i have every fucking right to express it.

Ilovewriting,

Perhaps it is time to change your bio line from "Writing anything and everything seems to be my life" to something else, hmmm? I don't remember anyone cussing at you in this thread. NCmVoyeur spoke in your defense with intelligence and class. Too bad you decided not to follow his example.

Please show me how your "Kay the Tease" story doesn't qualify as gang-rape. I'm calling you on it, so let's go into detail why you can write that tale complete with the devastation of unwanted pregnancy at the end, yet you claim the "fucking right" to tell the world of Lit authors that they should not write similar works. Please don't go for the "lost to the booze" defence. That's almost as lame as the "Slut had it coming" defence. Being a cocktease doesn't justify someone taking a Rohypnol-incapacitated or otherwise debilitated woman home for a private party with a few friends.

Feel free to PM me if you wish. I fear that I've boosted Kindawild's thread for too long with this.

I'm interested to read what you have to say.

-T

 

[ilovewriting]

Deleated

 

[NCmVoyeur]

Beware the idle hand

This thread is turning into an exercise of people talking past one another, rather than to one another; but since no one still has taken me up on my offer to give feedback on the Feedback Board, I have time to muck around here some more.

Axel, Tate, if I write a story about a 16 year old girl having a nice romp in bed with her 19 y.o. boyfriend, that story will not see daylight here--even though it is fiction about activity that is (in North Carolina at least) perfectly legal. Is that censorship? If so, is it justifiable censorship? Or makes-the-alarm-go-off-bigtime censorship?

Now, I've never witnessed any hue-and-cry on these Boards about a policy that says 'don't write those stories; they will not be housed in this library.'

So the reaction to ILW's 'there shouldn't be gang rape stories' is baffling. It appears that a prohibition on consensual teen sex is swallowed without indigestion, but that a suggestion that gang rape of a 19-year old is inappropriate story material is cause for alarm and ire.

Or am I missing something here?

 

[Tatewaki]

Re: Beware the idle hand

So the reaction to ILW's 'there shouldn't be gang rape stories' is baffling. It appears that a prohibition on consensual teen sex is swallowed without indigestion, but that a suggestion that gang rape of a 19-year old is inappropriate story material is cause for alarm and ire.

Or am I missing something here?

Hello NCmVoyeur,

Let me explain what I was thinking when I first responded to the thread.

I cannot speak for Axel, but for me it was less the comment about gang-rape stories shouldn't be written into stories and more about Ilovewriting's assumption about what people may or may not know about the subject. This intrigued me, but did not anger me. Then I reread his original post and saw the part where he stated "Yes some may say one of my stories on lit is gang rape, but i assure you it isnt and would go into it in detail if someone critisized me for it."

I skimmed through his stories and found 'Kay the Tease,' a tale that is about the rape of a young woman by 4 men. This is what incensed me. On the one hand he is saying gang rape isn't appropriate subject matter and flaunts his own supposed knowledge of gang rape over others (Axel in particular, Lit patrons in general), then I discover he has a gang rape tale of his own posted on the board.

I chose to focus on his presumptions regarding the knowledge or lack thereof of Axel regarding gang rape issues, then concluded with saying in essence 'If you don't like it, don't read it.' I ignored the hypocrisy angle as I felt it inappropriate. I only brought that up after his post defending his 'fucking rights' to post his opinion.

I've gone a little astray in my response. Let me try again.

Laurel, the owner of this site has clearly stated that she doesn't want underage sex stories here. She defines this as 'under 18' stories. Whether I agree with this or not isn't the issue. I see this as a hostess requesting that I remove my shoes before entering her home. Whether I keep my shoes on at home isn't relevant. When in her home I will do as she wishes. If I do not agree I can always choose not to visit. This is why I choose to swallow the prohibition on consensual teen sex without indigestion. The suggestion that gang rape of a 19-year old is inappropriate story material didn't cause ire or alarm for me. His attitude regarding the knowledge of others and hypocrisy did.

I'm hoping that I answered your questions to your satisfaction, NCmVoyeur. If not, please feel free to PM me. I do not wish to keep hijacking this thread.

I will not respond to any more posts on this topic here. Please use PM.

Regards,

-T

 

[kindawild]

Ummm, what's going on???????

There will be no pregnancy's here (wanted or unwanted). I'm talking about a man (over 18, maybe 30 or so) being disgustingly raped by many men.

 

[Axeltheswede]

Brutal gang rape

It appears that Kindawild is fairly new to this BB. A little background information might be useful.

This story, if written, would certainly be consigned to the extreme section (a Lit. sister site). For an author, having a story go there is similar to be published in the Guam Daily News. It might be a fine forum, but the circulation is pretty limited.

Added to this situation is the spotty nature of getting a story posted there at all. Updates to the extreme section seem to be sporadic at best.

Further, that section plays host to some poorly written stories. There are some fine stories, but many are, shall we say, somewhat lacking in style and form.

Those factors, and the general distaste outlined in this thread, mitigate against your story appearing any time soon.

 

[Guest]

Distaste Huh??????????

Suddenly this is a "classy" site???????????? with taste???????

Yeah, lots of bad taste.

 

[Axeltheswede]

Brutal gang rape

It is probably an exercise in futility to respond to an unregistered post, but it's possible the last statement in my previous post could have been expressed better.

By distaste I meant the lack of any response from an author to write on this subject. I sure didn't see anybody jump on board to write it. I thought kindawild might be interested to know some possible reasons why.

If unregistered saw something other than that, the reading must have been between the lines.

 

[Quasimodem]

I'm still curious about the fucking rights.

I have read the FAQs and can find no mention of fucking rights.

Please inform me. Who has fucking rights? When do they aquire them? And, over whom do these rights exist?

I am willing to post oftener, if it will qualify me for fucking rights.

 

[Axeltheswede]

Brutal gang rape

Fucking rights are on the opposite side from fucking lefts.

If we're taking a vote, I'm all in favor of Quasi having all the fucking rights he can handle.

When I first saw that phrase it brought to mind an old Seinfeld episode. Poor George had to have his girlfriend on his left. He just couldn't go to the right.

 

[MasterDJs_pet]

One of my good friend was gang raped and now has a child to a farther who she never knew so dont fucking go off at me!

Saddly, more people than you know have been raped. I had been raped twice, became pregnant, but miscarried, the first time. I choose to not be a victim, but a survivor. For many, talking or writing (be it a story of sorts or journaling) about their experiences, or rape in general, helps them cope. It's always best to get things out in the open than it is to bottle up feelings.

And, I still feel that *most* people here are not trying to glorify real rape, but are trying to be a voyeur (if they're reading the story and not writing it they would be a "voyeur" in a sense) when it comes to a force fantasy.

Take it from a twice over victim who is now a survivor (and a masochist), lighten up. If ya don't like a story, don't read it. If you don't like a story idea, don't read the thread.

 

[MasterDJs_pet]

P.S.

Your friend may think she's being a responsible adult, but no one forced her to keep the baby. There are several alternatives to pregnancy...

 

[Chicklet]

If ya don't like a story, don't read it. If you don't like a story idea, don't read the thread.

Hurah for an intelligent comment!

<sounds of applause fill the forum>