British Petroleum: A Different Perspective...

[amicus]

Noting that the oil industry in the US is one of the most heavily taxed enterprises in the country and that they pay for drilling rights off the coast and on land and that they are forced to pay 'royalties' on each barrel of oil, plus all the Port fees, offloading fees, ad infinitum....but wait! There is more!

The oil industry is also one of the most regulated and hated industries in the nation as the crazed environmentalists would close down every well, every refinery and every pipeline if they could and force people to ride bicycles or some other form of non polluting transportation.

My point is....the Feds, with the MMS, the EPA and all the other involved agencies told BP where they could drill and how. They even set the number and type of operating personnel that could work on the rig, insist on and approve the safety regulations and inspect them daily if not hourly and take bribes and kickbacks along the way.

Amazingly, all five major oil companies have the same clean-up plan, including walrus's and fervently supplied and approved by the MMS and the EPA.

In short, BP and every other oil company performs exactly as the US government says it should, bell, book and candle...which brings me to my conclusion:

Were I a big wig at BP, I would initiate litigation to recover compensation for the 60,000 barrels per day they are losing in the spill times about 70 bucks a barrel at market prices.

I mean like if the goddamned government is going to run everything anyway, tell them where and how to drill and impose OSHA and EPA safety guidelines and even clean-up procedues, well, hell, they are fundamentally a government corporation, so why not place all responsibility on the Feds?

I know you think that is all silly, but think about it....BP couldn't even move an oil rig into the Gulf without Federal permission.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Dear Reader,

AMICUS is our answer to the Bible thumping zealot wearing a sandwich-board heralding the end of the world. He thumps ATLAS SHRUGGED and awaits the 2nd coming of Ayn Rand.

AMICUS ignores the most salient issue: BRITISH PENSIONER OIL COMPANY fucked up the Gulf Coast.

 

[Dragonlipz]

I don't think it's silly in the least. It proves beyond any doubt what a dumb motherfucker you really are.....
This is all the result of your hallowed capitalist dream: death and drek.....this is nothing new, look at what Royal Dutch Shell has done to Africa.....we're just the latest third world victims of the oil industry...............
You and Alisa Rosenbaum should be proud....this is the result of deregulation and capitalism gone wild.........
You are truly a sick, sad, wheelchair fuck......

 

[TE999]

Noting that the oil industry in the US is one of the most heavily taxed enterprises in the country and that they pay for drilling rights off the coast and on land and that they are forced to pay 'royalties' on each barrel of oil, plus all the Port fees, offloading fees, ad infinitum....but wait! There is more!

The oil industry is also one of the most regulated and hated industries in the nation as the crazed environmentalists would close down every well, every refinery and every pipeline if they could and force people to ride bicycles or some other form of non polluting transportation.

My point is....the Feds, with the MMS, the EPA and all the other involved agencies told BP where they could drill and how. They even set the number and type of operating personnel that could work on the rig, insist on and approve the safety regulations and inspect them daily if not hourly and take bribes and kickbacks along the way.

Amazingly, all five major oil companies have the same clean-up plan, including walrus's and fervently supplied and approved by the MMS and the EPA.

In short, BP and every other oil company performs exactly as the US government says it should, bell, book and candle...which brings me to my conclusion:

Were I a big wig at BP, I would initiate litigation to recover compensation for the 60,000 barrels per day they are losing in the spill times about 70 bucks a barrel at market prices.

I mean like if the goddamned government is going to run everything anyway, tell them where and how to drill and impose OSHA and EPA safety guidelines and even clean-up procedues, well, hell, they are fundamentally a government corporation, so why not place all responsibility on the Feds?

I know you think that is all silly, but think about it....BP couldn't even move an oil rig into the Gulf without Federal permission.

Amicus

Good luck trying to talk sense to the lynch mob.

We have a ready made villian in a Petroleum Corporation and Obeyme's going to squeeze every bit of publicity and pass all the Envirolegislation he can while the oil gushes..."Never let a good crisis go to waste" sayeth Rham.

If I was BP, I'd get that well capped and leave the US...close their stations...move their drill rigs...pay their debts and never return...better still, declare bankruptcy and welch on all debts.

Why you may ask? Because the feds have bobbled this fly ball from day one and no one's blaming them for any of the aftermath...it's all the evil corporations fault...no surprise there...instead of joining with BP to solve the problem, Obeyme and his stooges have bashed BP nonstop and held off doing anything...the states are fed up and finally taking their own clean up initiatives...Arizona anyone?

This administration and Congress are a disgrace...throw the bums out!

 

[JackLuis]

Face it Ami, BP screwed the pooch, and is the major oil company that has 90%+ of all safety violations. They are incompetent and have proven themselves to be incompetent.

It is their style of penny pinching, budgeting process. Trust me, I've worked for and with Brits. They went into the field and did a marvelous job almost bringing in the test well. But for reasons of their own, they cut corners on the design of the well and it cost them.

Now I hear that the geologic structure may have been weakened and the oil is finding other paths than up the pipe to vent it's 12,000 pounds of pressure. This may be a bigger Oops!

The stock holders should be rightfully pissed off at BP's management to allow a disaster of this magnitude to come about. It's going to cost BP two years profits at least.

 

[Huckleman2000]

[...]
If I was BP, I'd get that well capped and leave the US...close their stations...move their drill rigs...pay their debts and never return...better still, declare bankruptcy and welch on all debts.[..]

So, leave the US taxpayers to foot the bill for you.

Yup, I can see where you can claim moral superiority for your point of view - if your morality is simply money.

 

[Liar]

My point is....the Feds, with the MMS, the EPA and all the other involved agencies told BP where they could drill and how. They even set the number and type of operating personnel that could work on the rig, insist on and approve the safety regulations and inspect them daily if not hourly and take bribes and kickbacks along the way.

Amazingly, all five major oil companies have the same clean-up plan, including walrus's and fervently supplied and approved by the MMS and the EPA.

It might make you shit bricks, but I agree with you here (at least so far). The MMS was just as asleep at the wheel as BP was. And I do believe that at least as big a part of the responsibility lies with them. They approved bogus clean-up plans, they didn't question bogus safety claims, and they looked the other way in order to produce a nice bottom line in licensing fees.

Heads should roll at the MMS. If the taxpayer should foot the bill... well... Obama seems to be in favor of public jobs. Why not direct stimulus funds to siphon crude oil out of the water and clean up the beaches? They could keep the oil and sell it back to the oil companies for market value. No, I don't know if it's possible, if the oil is useable still,or if it costs more than it's worth to "fish" spill oil for commersial purposes. Worht looking into though.

I think delays in this while waiting for BP to do it costs more for the taxpayers long term, than to get lots of boots on the ground stat.

Talk about shovel-ready project.

Were I a big wig at BP, I would initiate litigation to recover compensation for the 60,000 barrels per day they are losing in the spill times about 70 bucks a barrel at market prices.

I mean like if the goddamned government is going to run everything anyway, tell them where and how to drill and impose OSHA and EPA safety guidelines and even clean-up procedues, well, hell, they are fundamentally a government corporation, so why not place all responsibility on the Feds?

I know you think that is all silly, but think about it....BP couldn't even move an oil rig into the Gulf without Federal permission.

Yes, THAT part is silly. Adorably silly. The government didn't cause the spill. They had too lax regulations that allowed BP to cause the spill. If you trip over your feet, do you sue the government for not having a Ministry for Walking telling you you're not allowed to step on your toes? Get real. That's Monty Python territory.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JACK

I have a hunch David Cameron made a deal with Obumble, trading a naughty weekend with the Queen or Prince Charles for indemnity and immunity for Brit pensioners.

Keep an eye out for Obumble to pick up the tab courtesy of you.

 

[sdsioux]

The answer is simple. Demand products that require little or no dependency on the black crap. Let the middle east figure out a way to make a beverage that will compete with coke and pepsi with it. The government would probably turn around and try to tax our usage of solar power or put a tax on food, clothing, and books. Whoever did what is unimportant. The entire situation makes me want to throw up.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

THE GOVERNMENT HATES AND DISCOURAGES WHAT IT CANT TAX.

The Chamber of Commerce hates and discourages what it must pay for.

What neither of them yet get is: people pay taxes and create wealth, and its in government's and commerce's best interests to keep people employed.

 

[Handley_Page]

Noting that the oil industry in the US is one of the most heavily taxed enterprises in the country and that they pay for drilling rights off the coast and on land and that they are forced to pay 'royalties' on each barrel of oil, plus all the Port fees, offloading fees, ad infinitum....but wait! There is more!

The oil industry is also one of the most regulated and hated industries in the nation as the crazed environmentalists would close down every well, every refinery and every pipeline if they could and force people to ride bicycles or some other form of non polluting transportation.


Were I a big wig at BP, I would initiate litigation to recover compensation for the 60,000 barrels per day they are losing in the spill times about 70 bucks a barrel at market prices.

Amicus

I love it!.
It reminds me of what Exxon did in the wake of the Valdez disaster. Put a large wedge into an interest-bearing account, and pay the fines (over time after litigation) out of the interest.

Forgive me for being slightly cynical, but would all this broo-haha have anything to do with the forthcoming elections ? (surely not ?).

 

[xssve]

In other words, another GLORIOUS VICTORY for unfettered corporatism!

 

[Huckleman2000]

I hope your Conservative candidates embrace your BP BJ idea, Amicus. I hope they just keep chanting their "drill, baby, spill... err, I mean drill" mantra. That's going to get them some major voter support.

 

[Dragonlipz]

So, leave the US taxpayers to foot the bill for you.

Yup, I can see where you can claim moral superiority for your point of view - if your morality is simply money.

Don't give him credit for a morality (or lack thereof) that he cannot fathom much less embrace.....BP is gonna make nice and pay cos it won't cost them a cent......I agree with H-Man that the Repubtards should keep chanting 'Drill, Baby, Drill!!!!'
Not so cute now, is it?
When was the last time Sister Sara visited the Gulf?

 

[Songcatcher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOWukB6n-ak

 

[LaRocha]

Yeah, sounds like Amicus is saying that the regulations were too lax, that it's the gov's fault for not being more state capitalist.

I'm for drilling up and down the coast, nuke energy, dirty rotten coal. But when you fuck up big time, like BP, US Gov gets to drain your assets until the water/land is back to what it was. BP and the British pensioners are just going to have to eat it...then send more troops to the Middle East to support American neo-imperialism.

 

[fillthewalls]

can

can you all stop calling it british petroleum though

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

He's right; call it BRITISH POLLUTION.

 

[figazza]

You know what the gov should do?
Temporarily suspend taxing the company so it has the extra resources to fix whatever it is they need to fix.

 

[Handley_Page]

can you all stop calling it british petroleum though

especially as how BP is 35% American, did not have 'staff' on the Rig, and were responding to reported problems with the well floor and the gas.
Even the remaining 65% is not all British.

So cheer up, you USA pensioners and Pension Funds, kick the bloody hangers-on off the case and solve the problems.

 

[colddiesel]

Going for broke

In some ways I would like to see BP America go broke. If they went bankrupt the Bankers and the Government (Wall Street and Washington) would be preferential creditors, that is their entire bills would be paid before the "little people"( otherwise known as voters) got anything at all.

I'd like to see Prez Obama explain that.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Virtually every player in the American Revolution was British, if you think about it a little. Only afterwards were the lines re-drawn. That is, the officers and Hessians returned to England, Tory and Loyal Americans went to Canada, and the rest remained here.

 

[Dragonlipz]

In some ways I would like to see BP America go broke. If they went bankrupt the Bankers and the Government (Wall Street and Washington) would be preferential creditors, that is their entire bills would be paid before the "little people"( otherwise known as voters) got anything at all.

I'd like to see Prez Obama explain that.

No chance of that now, bone-brainz....you need to start thinking about how to contribute to society.....