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Police to spy on all emails

Fury over Europe's secret plan to access computer and phone data

Kamal Ahmed, political editor
Sunday June 9, 2002
The Observer


Millions of personal emails, other internet information and telephone records are to be made accessible to the police and intelligence services in a move that has been denounced by critics as one of the most wide-ranging extensions of state power over private information.

Plans being drawn up by Europol, the police and intelligence arm of the European Union, propose that telephone and internet firms retain millions of pieces of data - including details of visits to internet chat rooms, and of calls made on mobile phones and text messages.

In a move that has been condemned by privacy campaigners, a draft document passed to The Observer reveals that the EU is now drawing up a 'common code' on data retention which will be applicable in all member states.

Security and police sources said new powers on accessing personal data will come into force in Britain towards the end of the year.

'It is typical that such a significant change in the control over private information is being worked out in secret,' said Dr Ian Brown, a leading expert on data privacy and director of the Foundation for Information Policy Research.

'It does seem to have been Britain that has put pressure on other member states to put in place this type of legislation. In 99 per cent of cases it will be used properly, but what about the other one per cent? There is not enough scrutiny of what is going on.'

The Europol document was drawn up at a private meeting of police, intelligence services and customs and excise officials from across Europe in The Hague last April. It lists 10 areas where companies will be required to keep information to help in the fight against international terrorism, domestic crime and drug running.

Companies that run internet sites will be required to retain passwords used by individuals, record which website addresses are visited, and keep details of webpages looked at and any credit card or bank details used for subscriptions.

The information retained about emails will include who sent the message, where the email went, its contents and the time and date it was sent.

It is believed that Britain will push for the data to be kept for up to five years. At the moment much of it is only kept for one or two months, for billing purposes, by the companies that run internet and email services.

Sources at the National High-tech Crime Unit, which is overseeing implementation of plans for data retention in Britain, point out that the growth of so-called 'cyber crime' means that they need new powers to keep ahead of the criminals.

One official also said that investigations into crimes such as the murders carried out by the GP Harold Shipman relied on the retention of old telephone records.

'We need to codify how this happens, so all countries in Europe are dealing with the same set of rules,' the source said.

'The internet does not recognise national boundaries and international companies don't need the confusion of dealing with separate codes in different countries.' The Europol document says the use of telephones - land lines and mobiles - will be monitored. Numbers dialled, when and where they were dialled from and personal details such as the address, date of birth and bank details of the subscriber who paid for the call will also be kept.

The document, headed 'Expert Meeting on Cyber Crime: Data Retention', suggests mobile phones records could be used by police and the intelligence services to track the geographical location of people making calls.

Mobiles use a network of masts to convey the calls, placing the user in a geographically distinct 'cell' at the time of the call. Records using such geographical locations were used to acquit the teenagers accused of murdering Damilola Taylor.

The Association of Chief Police Officers is also drawing up a manual of standards so that police forces across the country use similar methods when accessing the data.





With cameras already scattered across the streets of London, is it any wonder about Orwellian nightmares? Each year small moves are made by my Government that go unchecked and the result has been a kind of 'behind closed doors' police state.
 
It sounds like a George Bush and CIA plot to me!!! I'm sure they are the ones behind this. I mean if pp_'s name is involved then it only makes sense, right?:D:D
 
I don't believe it.

Would our wonderful European Union do something like this?.
 
This is funny. Not 'funny' Ha Ha. But funny 'peculiar'. Does anyone have a clue as to how much data this represents? Or the storage space required? I hope Laurel or Manu jump in with an estimate for a site as small as Lit's.

And who's going to read all this data?

What fun for all.

Ishmael

PS, this is just another one of those 'after the fact' things. Apparently a smoking gun isn't enough. We now have to know how it was loaded.
 
Interesting logic pp.
You wrote that "Britain steals more of my privacy", yet the article is actually about how your beloved EU plans to keep track of you.
I think your prejudices are showing again. :)
 
Just one more reason not to go into a federal monolithic EU state as far as I'm concerned.
 
OUTSIDER said:
Just one more reason not to go into a federal monolithic EU state as far as I'm concerned.

If we want a police state, there are several in the East we could join.

It's just typical of the way the EU tries to control everything. And we thought it was just Blair that was a control freak!
 
Rodney King said:
It sounds like a George Bush and CIA plot to me!!! I'm sure they are the ones behind this. I mean if pp_'s name is involved then it only makes sense, right?:D:D

This p_p_man isn't me.

Sometimes he comes onto the Board and writes under my name without the underscores.

You can tell the difference by the post total...

He/she writes well though...

I always enjoy his/her posts...

:D
 
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Thanks p_p_man for the clarifaction. I was wondering if you had a little brother or an alter ego. 'Other' doesn't have an avatar either.

Thanks.
 
And the funniest part is that one usually reads them and doesn't realize it's NOT p_p_ until you see the post above yours...
 
p p man...

speaks under um cloak of deception.

Do not sign a treaty with this person...

Do not believe promises of reservations paved with gold...

This person speaks with um forked tounge...

Unlike me...

:D
 
Unlike you.

The only man who can make tongue twisters come out as plain
English.:)
 
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