Brit MP to Brit PM: "Piss Off!"

[amicus]

http://www.dipity.com/timeline/Daniel-Hannan

The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government

http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/1494906,daniel-hannan-gordon-brown-speech-032509.article

A member of the European Parliament chided British Prime Minister Gordron Brown Tuesday, labeling him "The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued government."

Daniel Hannan, who represents South East England for the Conservative Party, posted a video to YouTube showing his impassioned speech that outlines his thoughts on Brown's handling of the country's economic recession.

"I see you've already mastered the essential craft of the European politician," Hannan told the prime minister. "Namely, the ability to say one thing in this chamber and a very different thing to your home electorate."

Hannan posted the video to his blog.

Seems like there might be a little growl left in the old Lion after all?

Similar 'resistance' minded activity is happening across the heartland of America as Tea'd Parties and 'Term Limits' are already mobilizing for the off year elections.

Geez, and we all thought politics would cool down with the Messiah bestowing blessings on all. Not!

Thank you MP Hannan! For illustrating that at least a few Brits still have a backbone!

Amicus...

 

[manyeyedhydra]

He's only saying what a fairly large proportion of the population would like to say to Brown, our (un)elected leader.

 

[amicus]

]He's only saying what a fairly large proportion of the population would like to say to Brown, our (un)elected leader.[/[/I]QUOTE]

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Hmmm...perhaps you might be more explicit for we rebellious Yanks?

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Ami

 

[gauchecritic]

He's only saying what a fairly large proportion of the population would like to say to Brown, our (un)elected leader.

As gets said to all leaders everywhere at all times by any number of the disaffected.

As a leader he leads a party, not the country. His 'election' is by the party.

If you vote for personality and one person as leader in British elections then you get what you pay for.

 

[ishtat]

Hannan writes for the UK Daily Telegraph and though I do not agree with everything he says there is no doubt that he speaks and writes with enormous clarity which is not found in the leadership of the British Conservative Party.

The saddest thing about this speech is that it literally could not have been made in the British House of Commons because there, the Labour party can use its numbers to gag or avoid difficult debate. Individual British MP's are totally under the thumb of their party whips and MP's will always offend their constituents rather than their party.

 

[amicus]

Gauche...that it seems to be striking a resounding chord in America also; I see it as an indication of a larger resistance to the crumbling social democracies of Europe and the new left wing government in the US.

No?

amicus...

 

[gauchecritic]

Gauche...that it seems to be striking a resounding chord in America also; I see it as an indication of a larger resistance to the crumbling social democracies of Europe and the new left wing government in the US.

No?

amicus...

Well no, not really. You've just suffered eight years of almost unfettered consumerism and now paying the price of the free market. That's what's bothering americans as far as I can see. Bemoaning the fact that however much they were warned they still didn't see it coming.

Social democracies tend to just bumble along with a mixture of socialism and big business running the show. Now the peeps are fed up with big business because of the mess they've left and got paid for.

 

[amicus]

m'okay...thas your view and welcome to it, but I see it differently...

You may perceive, 'unfettered consumerism', from your vantage point, but from mine, I see the opposite.

9/11, Katrina, petroleum shortages equally higher energy prices, caused a lowered standard of living for most Americans over the past several years.

The housing 'bubble' has a combination of causes, corruption, in that social goals of the left, home ownership for minorities regardless of ability to finance; the general, 'anti expansion' philosophy of the left liberals, driving the price of land and home construction aside from supply and demand, and the changing nature of the demographics of modern home buyers: smaller families, dual income breadwinners, cost of daycare, et cetera.

The 'energy crisis', created by environmentalists who essentially banned all forms of new production by conventional means, have doubled the cost of operating an automobile and heating homes.

I suggest the same, with variations on a theme, holds true for Europe. What the entire world is suffering through, I see as a direct result of the inefficiency of social democracies both here and there. Euro's never enjoyed the luxury of 'big cars', and have downsized, even to walking and riding bicycles and utilizing mass transit...which means, you folks really can go no lower in terms of a communal, shared existence. No place to go and you can't stand still, thus, those like the MP from Britain are looking once again to unfettered market forces to solve problems...

Long, long overdue, in my opinion.

amicus...

 

[gauchecritic]

and again you look at market forces as a social good when in fact market forces are anathema to any kind of forward thinking social organism or society.

You said it your self. Oil prices rose. Who did that? Those that were selling oil; the market. The so called 'luxury' of big cars.

Lower standards or living almost always mean non-rising standards of living which isn't quite the same thing, is it?

9/11, far from hurting the stock market actually made a run for the money with any company involved in armaments or other peripheral war trades.

The 'toxic loan' housing bubble is a bogey man as you well know. There is nothing a government can do that will force a private bank to lend money that it doesn't want to lend. It was simply another example of greed and bottom line driven profiteering that saw mortgages sold by individuals to people that they damn well knew would default sooner rather than later.

Over here we reached the conclusion that planned expansion has much longer term benefits than rampant profiteering which is what drives and expands your free market economy at a break neck rate and always inevitably down hill just as soon as diminishing returns kicks in.

You can view it any way you like, the free market demonstrably does not work.

 

[amicus]

I think the following item illustrates the abject failure of social democracies; I am having my agent look into this...does citizenship come along with land ownership?

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/26/uk.village.sale/index.html?eref=rss_latest

LINKENHOLT, England (CNN)

-- Hidden away in the hills of Hampshire lies the village of Linkenholt. This idyllic community, home to just 50 people comes complete with grand Edwardian manor house, cricket pavilion and grounds, blacksmith's forge, rectory, shooting grounds, 22 houses and grade 2 listed cottages.

In times of financial downturn and falling house prices, the decision to sell up is curious. The trust says though it wants to free up the capital tied up in the estate so it can give more to charity on an annual basis.

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Over here we reached the conclusion that planned expansion has much longer term benefits..."

Your 'planned expansion', has left Europeans in many nations with a ten year waiting list to acquire lodging, leaving them to settle for soviet style blockhouses of inferior construction.

You may settle for a 'planned' and controlled society, Americans loathe the idea of being told where to build, live, work and recreate.

Hell, if I can work the finances on that village, I may hire you as an itinerant share cropper.

Howd'ya like them apples?

heh...

amicus...

 

[Xelebes]

the free market demonstrably does not work.

The free market does work but with absolute disregard for any social ire that might be created by inequalities of any sort.

 

[Xelebes]

The free market does work but with absolute disregard for any social ire that might be created by inequalities of any sort.

To expand, it (anarcho-capitalism) does not offer any solution for conflict resolution or offers it minimally (free-market.)

 

[amicus]

Xelebes...surely your acquired information is from limited literature, education and personal experience.

Since the proof of the pudding is in the eating, might I suggest a leisurely drive throught the heartland of America. Take notice of the neat and tidy, privately owned and maintain single family homes. Look with awe upon the wheatfields that feed the world and display the efficacy of capitalism and the free market place.

Look in wonder at the preponderance of machine driven implements, nary a bent over human in sight, the result of intense industrialism.

If you cannot be bothered with history, then know the industrial might of the US, geared up and won a two front war against German and Japan, probably in defense of you or your ancestors.

What made all that possible, not to speak of the world leader, cutting edge technology in every field of endeavor, music, art, entertainment, medicine and advanced technology.

What is it you don't like about America, for surely you are misinformed or brainwashed?

Amicus...

 

[Xelebes]

Xelebes...surely your acquired information is from limited literature, education and personal experience.

Says who?

 

[amicus]

You, says who, from your posting your prejudices, you display your lack of knowledge by your very words...

ami

 

[Xelebes]

You, says who, from your posting your prejudices, you display your lack of knowledge by your very words...

ami

Right-i-o. Pot; kettle.

 

[amicus]

I am not into trading insults as a form of intercourse...if that is all you have to offer...

"...Originally Posted by Xelebes
The free market does work but with absolute disregard for any social ire that might be created by inequalities of any sort.

To expand, it (anarcho-capitalism) does not offer any solution for conflict resolution or offers it minimally (free-market.)

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How you can ever say that indicates you have no knowledge of just how a command society, Fascism, Communism, Socialist, deals with 'social ire', they simply stand you up against a wall and waste a bullet.

In the event you are not aware of the Marxist rhetoric you espouse, it is the 'class warfare' crap that was old hat fifty years ago.

The free market cannot function without giving supreme regard to the consumer and his social demands, thas how the market works. It is a command society that disregards the desires of its citizens and tells them what they will like.

Really easy to understand...but you do have to focus...

Amicus...

 

[Xelebes]

I am not into trading insults as a form of intercourse...if that is all you have to offer...




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How you can ever say that indicates you have no knowledge of just how a command society, Fascism, Communism, Socialist, deals with 'social ire', they simply stand you up against a wall and waste a bullet.

In the event you are not aware of the Marxist rhetoric you espouse, it is the 'class warfare' crap that was old hat fifty years ago.

The free market cannot function without giving supreme regard to the consumer and his social demands, thas how the market works. It is a command society that disregards the desires of its citizens and tells them what they will like.

Really easy to understand...but you do have to focus...

Amicus...

Who brought up communism? I may have brought up anarcho-capitalism - but only for the reason to demonstrate what my argument exactly meant. That a social structure has a form of conflict resolution and to do away with it brings anarchy - one of many dystopias.

 

[amicus]

I forgive you for your youth. Exchange thoughts with me again after you have read and studied a bit. Ya wanna see dystopia for real? Look at the Canadian system of socialized medicine and laugh. But then, by the time you need medical care you wil be too old to care....such a pity...

Amicus

 

[Xelebes]

I forgive you for your youth. Exchange thoughts with me again after you have read and studied a bit. Ya wanna see dystopia for real? Look at the Canadian system of socialized medicine and laugh. But then, by the time you need medical care you wil be too old to care....such a pity...

Amicus

You bring up youth as if it were a valid argument.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Yo Amicus -
Yer posting and toastin' the same ol' tired ass shit that Republicant's always do.....it's all the liberals fault, tax the poor, let the rich do what they want - it's ok! (they like poor folk, really they do!) The same tired crap that yer poster boys (The Repuplicant's) tried this morning when they offered their 'budget proposal' that wasn't a budget proposal! It wasn't shit! It was the same old crap that you and your so-called conservative types alway throw out there when you're channeling Reagan. 'Ronald Reagan' the last tired, sorry-ass, mantra that the know-nothing, do-nothing republicant's offer when they run out of ideas. And that's every damned day these days.....
Reagan, the guy who tripled the national debt, gave the Hezbollah and other Islamic radicals cause to hope for victory over us when he backed down from them (the bombing at the marine barracks in Beirut? Ronnie's watch dude - a terminal low in the 'war on terror')
Reagan,
the guy who granted 'amnesty' to millions of illegal aliens - again, your hero - only to have them breeding like rabbits and establishing new drug routes and networks.......
Thanks Ronnie for fucking the US and giving guys like Rush and Amicus a voice on the airwaves......
Talk about a troll..........dude.......you need to do the true reality check....

 

[past_perfect]

I think the following item illustrates the abject failure of social democracies; I am having my agent look into this...does citizenship come along with land ownership?

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/26/uk.village.sale/index.html?eref=rss_latest

LINKENHOLT, England (CNN)


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Your 'planned expansion', has left Europeans in many nations with a ten year waiting list to acquire lodging, leaving them to settle for soviet style blockhouses of inferior construction.

You may settle for a 'planned' and controlled society, Americans loathe the idea of being told where to build, live, work and recreate.

Hell, if I can work the finances on that village, I may hire you as an itinerant share cropper.

Howd'ya like them apples?

heh...

amicus...

Um, did you actually read the article? It is the decision of a private charitable trust to whom the previous owner bequeathed it.

We are not actually being told where to build, live, work and recreate. There are certain caveats - we may not build on land we don't own, live and recreate in property we don't own, unless a formal contract entitles us to it. There are no restrictions to where we work within the EU.

Give me examples of where we have ten year waiting lists for accommodation. There are waiting lists for co-op owned and properties owned by housing associations and housing estates owned by cities and towns, simply because they are in high demand, as they are much cheaper than any privately owned accommodation.

Your apples are full of worms, as usual.

 

[oggbashan]

Amicus

Your article is about a capitalist selling an asset. The charitable status is a tax avoidance ploy.

The waiting list only applies to that village, which is considered a desirable place to live.

You suggest a drive through the heartland of the US. Why not drive through the slums of the UK? There are very few areas that are half as bad as the slums in US cities.

Where in the UK are the tent cities that are appearing in the US? The only literally homeless people we have are those who choose to be homeless and refuse help.

Og

 

[past_perfect]

Your article is about a capitalist selling an asset. The charitable status is a tax avoidance ploy.

Og

Really? That is naughty.

Well, about the housing situation, I think in Germany and most other European countries it is the same as in the UK. You get housing benefit either as part of the dole, or if you are in low income jobs that make you eligible, the rent is being paid partially or in full also. People in need of temporary accommodation get it (I remember that in the UK people were put into B&Bs even, when nothing else was available - here in Germany they are usually put in either especially designed complexes for such cases, or, if they are full and there are vacancies in homes for asylum seekers, right there).

 

[oggbashan]

Really? That is naughty.

Tax AVOIDANCE is legal. Tax EVASION is illegal (and probably naughty).

Og