Breast Bondage

[julianna_wolfe]

I'm relatively new to breast bondage. I was wondering how to know if you're doing damage by having them bound too tightly or for too long. All the sites that I've found so far have been about bondage safety in general, not specifically breasts. Can anyone help?

 

[RonClarkeson]

Damage occurs when

I'm relatively new to breast bondage. I was wondering how to know if you're doing damage by having them bound too tightly or for too long. All the sites that I've found so far have been about bondage safety in general, not specifically breasts. Can anyone help?

If the bonds are too tight the breasts go purple then black and permanent damage ocurs very quickly. Even a minute with reallly tight rope can do this. Looser bonds can be left on for a few minutes, but the breast will hurt like hell when removed, a function of how long they are on.

Even loose bondage can cause damage after about 10 minutes. Look up the use of torneques they have to be released and re-applied to prevent permanent damage for exactly the same reason. Blood will clot and damage occurs.

Breast bondage is rather a barbic method of torture and was intended to maim and even kill. It should not be attempted by amatures! If you want pain use clothes pegs, same level of pain much less chance of permanent injury.

 

[Bandit58]

I'm relatively new to breast bondage. I was wondering how to know if you're doing damage by having them bound too tightly or for too long. All the sites that I've found so far have been about bondage safety in general, not specifically breasts. Can anyone help?

You might try posting your question over on the BDSM forums, there are a wealth of knowledgeable people there and there is a library too.

 

[julianna_wolfe]

Hi,
I heard that someone here would know the answer to my questions.
I've just started getting into breast bondage and I'm not sure if I am doing it safely. How do I know if they've been bound for too long or too tightly? Are there risks of permanent damage? What kind of permanent damage? I tried the 'one finger' rule, but what does that mean? How easily should the finger be able to slip in?
I was hoping someone would be able to teach me to do this safely.
Thanks,
Julianna

 

[catalina_francisco]

If they begin to go purple, you have bound them too tight and/or too long and risk permanent damage. The finger rule means you should be able to comfortably slip a finger between the brest and binding. You should also have a pair of safety scissors handy at all times in case you need to release the bondage quickly. You will also find more helpful tips and links in this thread on safety issues. This one gives some handy step by step instructions. Have fun.


Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

If the bonds are too tight the breasts go purple then black and permanent damage ocurs very quickly. Even a minute with reallly tight rope can do this. Looser bonds can be left on for a few minutes, but the breast will hurt like hell when removed, a function of how long they are on.

Even loose bondage can cause damage after about 10 minutes. Look up the use of torneques they have to be released and re-applied to prevent permanent damage for exactly the same reason. Blood will clot and damage occurs.

Breast bondage is rather a barbic method of torture and was intended to maim and even kill. It should not be attempted by amatures! If you want pain use clothes pegs, same level of pain much less chance of permanent injury.

While I agree it is not something to be tried by inexperienced and uninformed people, I don't agree using clothes pins will give the same effect. The sensations are different, as is the appearance and after effects. Add to that if you do a great job on the bondage, you can wear it under clothes in place of a conventional bra and with a much better effect. Breast bondage does not have to be painful at all, it is in the heands of the one applying the bonds. If they make it painful because they are inexperienced or because they wish to create pain then it can be so, but I have worn many a rope bra and had my breasts bound multiple times without any pain at all. This pic below

is a good example of how good it can look and feel without any pain or damage.

Catalina

 

[julianna_wolfe]

Thanks for the replies.
Now I'm a little nervous but at least I know what not to do next time.
Thanks Catalina for the photo, beautiful. I'll have to practice, I need to find the line between too tight and sliding off. I'm glad you mentioned wearing it under clothes, the exhibitionist side of me is really looking forward to going out in public like that, to see if anyone notices.
Now a few more questions after following the links already given... If you have done permanent damage how long before you'll know? Should I just give up on it? This sucks, I was so into it.
Thank you,
Julianna

 

[WoodDemon]

Julianna, I don't think you should be scared to experiment with breast bondage. Though I am a posting virgin mysef, I have quite a lot of experience with breast bondage. Many women find it extremely pleasurable.

As with any fetish activity, you should start slowly and build up to levels of intensity and duration that you are comfortable with. Everyone's body is different and you need to slowly determine what is comfortable for you.

I don't think anyone can say with absolute certainty what the long term effects of of breast bondage are. It is one of those risk/reward equations that those of us who enjoy fetish play always deal with. From my way of thinking, people have been doing breast bondage for a long time. There are thousands of images of breast bondage and I myself have observed and performed hundreds of scenes involving breast bondage. If mild and moderate breast bondage was exceedingly dangerous I think we would see far more evidence of it by now. I agree that in its extreme forms there are risks and that care should be exercised. But if approached with foresight I feel that you can enjoy breast bondage and become an expert on your own body.

I can offer a couple suggestions. Use a chest harness (ropes around your back and shoulders) to support your breast bondage. In that way the ropes around your breasts can be wrapped more loosely and still not fall off. Be aware of your breathing. I find that the most common hazzard with beginners is that they become faint. This comes from both the restriction and erotic nature of the situation. The person watching over you should make sure you can't fall and watch you constantly, especially at first. I've seen several first timers become faint even with relatively mild breast bondage.

I agree the one finger rule isn't as useful when it comes to breast bondage. Start relatively loose and see how things go. Increase time duration. I agree with Catalina that a well done rope bra can be worn a very long time. Don't be afraid to increase firmness over time. (This can be done by increasing tightness, but also by just adding wraps.) How you will react depends a lot on your specific anatomy. There are varying degrees of color and the speed with which it changes. Don't panic. Go slowly and become an expert on your own body.


Wood Demon

 

[Yang4yin]

Here's an excellent article:

http://www.domsub.info/breastprimer.html

It's written by Matt Nicholson of Darker Pleasures fame, complete with illustrations, photos, and a sense of humor.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

There are several books available about rope bondage, two that pop very quickly to mind are:

The Seductive Art of Japanese Bondage by Midori, and

Jay Wiseman's Erotic Bondage Handbook by Jay Wiseman

Both are available directly from the publisher Greenery Press.

Both Midori and Jay are "experts" in the field, their years of hands-on experience and training in other fields gives them a perspective on safety and eroticism that few can match. Happy learning!

 

[lil_slave_rose]

While I agree it is not something to be tried by inexperienced and uninformed people, I don't agree using clothes pins will give the same effect. The sensations are different, as is the appearance and after effects. Add to that if you do a great job on the bondage, you can wear it under clothes in place of a conventional bra and with a much better effect. Breast bondage does not have to be painful at all, it is in the heands of the one applying the bonds. If they make it painful because they are inexperienced or because they wish to create pain then it can be so, but I have worn many a rope bra and had my breasts bound multiple times without any pain at all. This pic below

is a good example of how good it can look and feel without any pain or damage.

Catalina

i agree, and this thread has made me and Master talk about the way He bound my breasts when He was here. He bound them tight enough it gave support, but there was no pain from it. of course if i moved my arms a certain way, the binds on my breasts got tighter but it was never painful and that's a good thing, as painful breast bondage is not something i think i'd enjoy and make me safeword out, but that's just me. i say read up ALOT before even attempting to use rope to do breast bondage, read about safety and so on....good luck to you

 

[BiBunny]

Ok, this thread worries me a little bit. When Master binds my breasts, he always does it very tightly, and it always hurts like a BITCH! I've never had any ill effects, but...I have a whole bunch of pics of my bound purple breasts. Should I seriously be concerned?

 

[lil_slave_rose]

Ok, this thread worries me a little bit. When Master binds my breasts, he always does it very tightly, and it always hurts like a BITCH! I've never had any ill effects, but...I have a whole bunch of pics of my bound purple breasts. Should I seriously be concerned?

IMO purple breasts are not good..it means there is not enough blood flow and when that happens, tissue can start to die, atleast this is the way i understand it, if i'm wrong..someone please correct me. i guess it would also depend on how long they are bound and stuff also...*shrugs* i know i wouldn't want mine tied up and turning purple, but that is just me...and luckily for me Master doesn't find this a turn on either..though He does like breast bondage...just not to the point that my poor boobies turn colors and look all distorted.....

 

[catalina_francisco]

Ok, this thread worries me a little bit. When Master binds my breasts, he always does it very tightly, and it always hurts like a BITCH! I've never had any ill effects, but...I have a whole bunch of pics of my bound purple breasts. Should I seriously be concerned?

I would be, but that is my personal opinion based on advice throughout the years, research, and knowledge....others feel they have never suffered at all. This below is part of a larger article found in this thread .

"Prevention:

Trauma, which is a blow to the fat tissue, can occur under a variety of
circumstances. The degree of injury depends on the force of the blow and its
direction. Trauma can also be caused by twisting the tissue, which may
happen when rope is being wound around the breast. (18) Pain is probably
the best indicator that damage is being done.

Hypoxemia, too little oxygen in the blood caused by poor circulation, is a

leading cause of cell death and fat necrosis. (12) The point of no return is
difficult to define at the level of the cell. On the most basic medical level, the
point of irreversible damage in fat cells occurs in as little as 15-60 minutes. (11)

However, recognizable morphologic changes may not be apparent for a few

hours. It requires 8 to 24 hours for the nuclear changes to occur. Meanwhile,
the cytoplasm has passed through the stages of swelling and becomes
transformed into an acidophilic, granular, opaque mass. (11)

Since it’s difficult to tell by observation alone when the "point of no return"
has been hit, a reasonable rule of thumb is: with tight bondage (ie. a finger
can’t easily be inserted between the flesh and the rope) leave the rope tied
for less than 15 minutes. Then fully release the rope to allow the blood to
re-oxygenate the fat tissue (this may take ten to fifteen minutes because
the blood supply to fat is very poor.)(1A)

Trevor Jacques in "On the Safe Edge" recommends that you should always
able to put a finger between the rope and the skin to prevent cutting off the
circulation during bondage. (20) If the rope is loose enough to insert one
index finger to the knuckle (your choice, male or female finger!) then you
should be able to safely leave the rope on for 30 minutes. (19)

If the rope is loose enough for two or three fingers, you can go up to 45
minutes. It’s best not to tie the breasts for more than an hour before releasing
the rope to allow thorough circulation to occur. (11)

1/4 inch rope and up is usually recommended for any type of bondage where
the rope touches the skin. Pat Califia advises in "Sensuous Magic" that
narrower material than 1/4 inch (like string or cord) shouldn’t be used because
it can cut the skin. (21) Race Bannon in "Learning the Ropes" reminds us that
breathing should never be restricted by rope, so ask the bottom take a deep
breath before tying the anchor rope around her chest. (22)"

I tend to be cautious about such things as I already have enough health problems to not want to add any unnecessarily. We have always been careful, but I still have a dark purple/black mark on one breast which is small but does not go away and has been there over a year now, and I have increasing lumps on my body which are diagnosed as fat necrosis and began appearing before I became involved in SM. Interestingly, my brother in law also has them and we are both Gemini's...maybe it is one of those things we have a weakness for.

Catalina

 

[BiBunny]

Thank you, cat, for the info. I have seen that somewhere before, I believe, but I appreciate you posting it again. If I'm reading correctly, then, the danger is not so much in the tightness of the rope as the length of time the breasts are bound, right? We definitely observe the 15-minute rule for tightly bound breasts. Heck, I'm usually begging for it to come off within about 5 minutes, anyway!

I'm still a bit unsure about it, though. I shall talk to him when we have some time to discuss it. Thanks.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thank you, cat, for the info. I have seen that somewhere before, I believe, but I appreciate you posting it again. If I'm reading correctly, then, the danger is not so much in the tightness of the rope as the length of time the breasts are bound, right? We definitely observe the 15-minute rule for tightly bound breasts. Heck, I'm usually begging for it to come off within about 5 minutes, anyway!

I'm still a bit unsure about it, though. I shall talk to him when we have some time to discuss it. Thanks.

It's both. As they say, everyone is different and damage does not usually present itself immediately as it is a process, so it is difficult to judge it if engaging in tightness to that extent. Most I have read and heard about advise against going into the purple zone at all, or anywhere near it. Add to that, IME, most who like to get that coloration also like to cause pain through beating, hitting, etc., at the same time which brings another truckload of bad possibilities.

Catalina

 

[BiBunny]

Add to that, IME, most who like to get that coloration also like to cause pain through beating, hitting, etc., at the same time which brings another truckload of bad possibilities.

Catalina

I'm lucky in that respect, at least. No beating or hitting of my bound boobies. The worst I normally get is a squeeze or being made to lie down on them, which is bad enough.

But I'm definitely going to talk to him about it. Like everything else, I'm sure "safety" varies on an individual basis. I'll see what he has to say.

 

[julianna_wolfe]

Thanks to all again. I am less worried now than I was this morning.
I don't find it very painful when my breasts are bound tight. I think I went a little too far, for a little too long, yesterday. They are now a little sore, that got me worried. But it sounds like that one time probably won't be life-threatening, so I can relax.
I'm sure I'm going to have a lot more questions.
Julianna

 

[Toa_lin]

Thanks to all again. I am less worried now than I was this morning.
I don't find it very painful when my breasts are bound tight. I think I went a little too far, for a little too long, yesterday. They are now a little sore, that got me worried. But it sounds like that one time probably won't be life-threatening, so I can relax.
I'm sure I'm going to have a lot more questions.
Julianna

and we'll be here to answer tehm for you.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I'm lucky in that respect, at least. No beating or hitting of my bound boobies. The worst I normally get is a squeeze or being made to lie down on them, which is bad enough.

But I'm definitely going to talk to him about it. Like everything else, I'm sure "safety" varies on an individual basis. I'll see what he has to say.

If they are bound that tight, squeezing and being made to lie on them are just as dangerous as beating them because there is nowhere for the flesh, tissue, etc., to escape, thus there is increased pressure which is what causes most of the discussed areas of damage. Hopefully you have not been lifted or pulled by them as well as that can cause tearing and serious permanent damage.

Catalina

 

[rthnck]

more threads to examine

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=307566
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=448431

thses threads go further than just bondage but hey,if we're going down this path we might as well see what else is there..

 

[ownedsubgal]

wow...i've been reading this thread with interest, i honestly had no idea that binding the breasts could so easily cause such damage. tho my Master's careful never to punch or beat my breasts, he does enjoy binding them from time to time, and always in the same basic way: he takes a thin length of rope or leather and repeatedly wraps it around each breast, so they are bound individually. it took a bit of practice for him in the beginning as my breasts are almost too small to bind securely in this way. but now he is an expert...he enjoys the look of them when they're bound like that, including the discoloration (my skin is brown so the skin never goes quite purple, more deep red under the surface). he might slap them or flick the nipples, enjoying the look of pain in my eyes. it's usually a very short term thing, but there have been times the bindings have been left on for about half an hour, and the skin turned blue/green, similar to a bruise made by punching or kicking. it's painful for me after just 2 minutes, but then i'm a total and complete pain wuss so probably not the best to speak on that aspect.

so far i haven't noticed any problems with my breasts, lack of sensitivity or anything else.

 

[lil_slave_rose]

reading this thread and seeing how many get their breasts tied so tightly that it causes discoloration kinda worries me. i mean, i would think that most would know that having your breasts (or any other part of your body) turn purple, blue, or black is not a very safe thing and usually means there's not enough oxygen in the blood, meaning poor circulation..it's kind of like when i was a kid, i used to wrap a rubber band around my finger and leave it there for a while and my mom would always yell at me that my finger was going to fall off because i was restricting blood flow (lol) now i doubt it would fall off, it could do alot of damage....i cringe when i see (porn) pictures of these women with bright purple boobies because i just can't help but think of the tissue etc..that could start dying, and not to mention the Pain! i mean don't get me wrong, i like pain..but that just seems unbearable to me, and unsafe......

 

[Bandit58]

This pic is from the first and so far only time I've been in a "breast harness": *done by a Dom friend of ours and his sub/slave*

https://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=636100

The ropes weren't tight but the sensation of being "bound" was great There was another girl there who was wearing something similar and she said she felt so good in it that she was going to sleep in it!

 

[Explaura]

I have dne this once or twice. The man who did it was very experienced and I trusted him, so I wasn't nervous. He tied them firmly, but they didn't hurt at all, If anything I was more aware of them, but it wasn't discomfort. They turned purlplish almost right away however. I got the impression that this is normal for very large breasts and its because there is very little circulation there anyway. We left them tied for about 20 minutes.. Taking the ropes off didn't hurt either. I would do it again, but after reading this I think I would only do it with someone like my friend who was very experienced.