Brainstormimg Concepts Along the Cheating Lines

[writer4hire69]

Hey all. This is possibly a tad unusual as I don’t necessarily have a specific idea but I’m more looking to brainstorm some ideas within a few guidelines and parameters. Basically, I’ve got themes/fetishes, I’ve got characters, and I’m looking for some concepts.

I guess I can start with characters. There are two main ones, sisters Tiffany and Maddie, and a secondary one, Kyle.

Tiffany: Younger sister by three years. Long and a bit lanky. Small breasts, somewhat narrow hips, a nice but small ass, long legs. Very pretty face with wavy, chin-to-shoulder length dark brown hair and brown eyes. A more contemporary beauty. Modern, headstrong personality. Considered the “less attractive” sister by some. Loves her sister but holds a bit of a chip on her shoulder because of the physical comparisons. Generally sexually liberal.

Maddie: Older sister by three years. Shorter and shapelier. Medium breasts, wide hips with a plump butt, thicker thighs. Cute face, voluminous light-brown-almost-blonde hair, plump lips, and hazel eyes. A traditional feel about her both in looks and personality. A little shy but willing to try new things and give into passions. Loves her sister but does take the slightest bit of pride over being “more attractive.”

Kyle: Closer to Maddie’s age. Tall and of average weight. Fit but not muscular, with an above average penis. Dark, almost black hair, dark eyes. Ongoing and friendly. Extremely sexually open. Who he’s dating—if either sister at all—can vary depending on the story/idea.

For themes and fetishes: cheating, cuckold (not so much the humiliation but just aware of the cheating), cuckquean, exhibitionism, voyeurism, interracial, and maybe watersports.

More characters can be included but would ideally like to feature at least two of either Maddie, Tiffany, or Kyle. Similarly, the idea doesn’t need to include all those fetishes.

And that’s basically it. I like non-standard concepts. For example, an idea I’m already playing around with: Maddie is married but not that happy. She would never cheat herself, but decides she wants to convince Tiffany to cheat and manipulates and leads her down that path in order to live vicariously through her more sexual sister.

Hope people are interested in sharing some other concepts. I’m excited to bounce them around.

 

[sirhugs]

It sounds like you have your outline pretty much done.

Just have to decide if Kyle is Maddie's husband, or not.

If he is, then he cheats with Tiffany. except, is it cheating if Maddie set it up?

If he isn't the Maddie's hubby, is he married to Tiffany? If so, does he try to seduce Maddie as revenge for Tiff cheating? Or does Tiff offer him a chance to watch the other guy please her? Or an fmf threesome? Lots of options- you could start writing, see what feels right.

If he isn't married to either, then logically, that makes him the guy Maddie sets up for Tiff to cheat with. Just need to decide what he is to them.

If you really can't decide, use some sort of random selector*, try the first one that wins that process. If it doesn't feel right, go back and revise.

*If you have four choices, a deck of cards- real or virtual works./ for more than four, list them with numbers assigned and use a random number generator.

 

[sirhugs]

Quick footnote: Some readers prefer less description of characters, the better to engage their own imaginations.

See this thread on that topic on the Author's Hangout. I fall on the "less description except as necessary for plot or to establish a character type" spot on the spectrum.

 

[CuttingEdge]

I thought you had a great start, it was just that the characters were rather bland.

You can spice them up in many directions, like giving them a unique career, or having them live in a unique place, or one of my favorite means to spice up characters...to place them in historical times.

Sir Hugs has a great point on characterization, but I am a different style of writer, as I am more like Stephen Crane, and enjoy writing the details. My style is, to make the reader feel like they are right there in the story.

It is not right or wrong, it is just my preferred style of writing.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

All cheating wife stories are about one of the following clichés...

Cheating wife clichés...

Husband comes home early and finds wife in bed with another man.

Husband finds out she is taking birth control pills even though he had a vasectomy.

Husband finds search history on her computer to hook up sites.

Wife tells husband she has a lover and is going to continue to see him even if husband doesn't like it.

Husband finds soiled panties in the laundry with dried cum on them.

Wife doesn't have sex with husband as often as she did.

Wife has more sex with husband than she used too.

Wife goes off the pill and gets pregnant, turns out the baby isn't the husbands.

Husband just suspects, can't put a finger on any one thing but hires a PI to find out.

Husband (same as above... except) he puts camera's all over the house to find out.

Wife wants to do or does something that is out of character... like separate vacations or maybe a long weekend with the 'girls'. But this is more a suspicion than a cliché.

Now all of these are either burn the bitch or reconciliation at all costs or somewhere in between. The end really doesn't matter as far as the story goes, just the way, which the wife is found out. What the husband does with her are divided into two factions in the LW category readers. BTB, RAAC. One faction calls the other names along with the character and sometimes the author.

Cheating husband clichés...

Wife suspects, hires a PI.

Wife comes home early and finds husband in bed with someone else.

Wife catches STD and knows she caught it from her cheating husband, as she didn't cheat and she knows she didn't catch it from a toilet seat.

Husband flaunts his girlfriend(s) in front of his wife.

Now these too, can end in several ways. From burn the bastard to reconciliation at all costs.

Then there are the alternatives...

The husband doesn't care whether she is cheating in fact he encourages it.

The wife doesn't care as long as he doesn't bother her and/or what she is doing with her boyfriend or girlfriend.

They both like what is happening and become swingers.

The only one I will never write is where the husband is subservient/submissive to the wife or a wimp as some readers like to call husbands like that. But I guess there are some men that enjoy that kind of thing and I won't put them down for that but, I am certainly not one of them.

Now if I have missed any and almost any that might be added will most likely belong to one or more of the clichés above, but if you think of one, add a comment and I will look into it.

Have I run out of ideas? Not really, it's just now they are a variation on a theme set of stories.

 

[writer4hire69]

Thanks for the replies! I think my post may have been somewhat confusing. The cheating idea I included was mainly an example of the type of idea I like. I do plan on writing that one at some point.

What I’m hoping for is some new ideas/set-ups for other stories. What are other unique cheating/cuckold/cuckquean/etc set-ups that could make for an interesting story and fit characters like these?

sirhugs and CuttingEdge, great points on characterizations. I mainly included the descriptions here for inspiration. In actual stories, it’s about finding the right balance. Giving the readers just enough information or if there is a lot of detail, parsing it out more piecemeal rather than in an info dump (unless the info dump makes sense. Too often it’s “girl walks in front of mirror”).

Anyway, I hope the clarification on the request helps.

 

[CuttingEdge]

Story tempo can be tough, if you add too many details then the story gets bogged down, and as SirHugs said, sometimes readers like their own details. But at the same time details can really make the reader feel as if they are there, and transported perhaps, to some place unique or different.

All five senses work for this of course, but sight and sound are over done. Feeling is a close third. When I want to add this element to a story, without getting wordy, I try to inject a line about taste or smell. They are less common, but it really adds depth to a story without getting wordy.

"Peach...peach body wash", I said as I drew my lips from the nape of her neck where I had planted the tiniest of kisses, letting her know, I appreciated the details of her; all of her.

It is not overly wordy, but the reader knows, this is not a writer with characters of blonde hair, blue eyes, and a size 36DD chest either. Like a Naval Seal Task Force, a surgical strike at the right place, with some words on smell or taste, will make a huge impact.

 

[RockHardKP]

Perhaps you would like something like this.......

Tiffany (T) and Maddie (M) are in a lesbian relationship (not sure if the sister angle works here). Maddie is fully lesbian and more submissive while Tiffany is Bi and likes to be incharge. The girls have an understanding that T will enjoy a male partner from time to time and will not hide if from M. In fact, she has an on going (sex only) relationship with Kyle (K) who comes over to the girls apartment once every month or two. After a few months T invited M to watch so that she could see for herself rather than having to relay the details.

M sits in the corner, watching intently and plays with herself. She can't take her eyes off of K's big black cock plunging in and out of her girlfriend. She listens to T's whimpers and moans and they squishy sounds her pussy makes, and is surprised at how turned it makes her. She struggles with the idea that she is a lesbian and shouldn't be getting so wet and excited from seeing a cock, never mind imagining it was her getting fucked. The girls usually have their own session after K leaves with M sharing how excited it made her before T pulls a strap on dildo out of the night stand. T puts it on and whispers into M ear ..."just imagine it was you" as she sinks the dildo into M's sopping wet cunt before proceeding to pound away just as K had done.

The next month T and K are going at it. K pulls his cock out to change positions and T invites M to suck on his cock. She is hesitant but T eventually talks her into it because it is covered with pussy cream and wouldn't be any different than eating pussy, etc. M starts hesitantly but with T encouraging her from the sideline she quickly starts to enjoy herself, stopping just short of making K ejaculate.....M retreats to the corner and buries three fingers in her pussy as K finishes off inside T before quickly leaving. .....T tells M that she didn't cum and needs M to eat her. M wants nothing more than to please her partner and after some coaxing, dives in and enjoys the cream pie from between T's legs. T encouraging her girlfriend to enjoy the cock-cum before exploding in her face.

Over the next month T eventually convinces M that they will switch places and M will fuck K for herself.

I envision lots of steamy dialogue between the girls

 

[SimonDoom]

Starting question: Are you more interested in working with the characters you've developed, and being flexible on the type of story, or do you want to zero in on a story concept and then build the characters around that?

I'm the latter type of writer. I start with a very clear plot concept and THEN I build the characters around it.

But let's say you want to do the former:

Here's an idea. You'd have to tinker with the characters a bit.

Maddie is the older and seemingly more serious daughter, although she's prettier. She was a better students and always followed the straight and narrow path (often true of older siblings). She's gone into the same line of work as her father, and she's married to a nice man who is not a lot of fun.

When they were children, Maddie would use her imagination and create adventures and then tell Tiffany what to do, and Tiffany went along as the younger and impressionable child. Maddie would dare Tiffany to do things that Maddie would not dare to do herself.

Later, as adults, they are both married, but not entirely happily. Maddie's mind is straying, but she can't bring herself to stray herself, so she wants to create fantasies for her sister to follow. She convinces Tiffany to do so, and Tiffany has sexual adventures based on fantasies that Maddie cooks up.

Key question: From whose point of view will the story be told? You need Tiffany's point of view so you can narrate the actual encounters she has, because Maddie won't necessarily witness them. You might also want to tell it from Maddie's point of view so you understand the motivation better, although you might get to that via dialogue between the two of them.

 

[gunhilltrain]

All cheating wife stories are about one of the following clichés...

Cheating wife clichés...

Husband comes home early and finds wife in bed with another man.

Husband finds out she is taking birth control pills even though he had a vasectomy.

Husband finds search history on her computer to hook up sites.

Wife tells husband she has a lover and is going to continue to see him even if husband doesn't like it.

Husband finds soiled panties in the laundry with dried cum on them.

Wife doesn't have sex with husband as often as she did.

Wife has more sex with husband than she used too.

Wife goes off the pill and gets pregnant, turns out the baby isn't the husbands.

Husband just suspects, can't put a finger on any one thing but hires a PI to find out.

Husband (same as above... except) he puts camera's all over the house to find out.

Wife wants to do or does something that is out of character... like separate vacations or maybe a long weekend with the 'girls'. But this is more a suspicion than a cliché.

Now all of these are either burn the bitch or reconciliation at all costs or somewhere in between. The end really doesn't matter as far as the story goes, just the way, which the wife is found out. What the husband does with her are divided into two factions in the LW category readers. BTB, RAAC. One faction calls the other names along with the character and sometimes the author.

Cheating husband clichés...

Wife suspects, hires a PI.

Wife comes home early and finds husband in bed with someone else.

Wife catches STD and knows she caught it from her cheating husband, as she didn't cheat and she knows she didn't catch it from a toilet seat.

Husband flaunts his girlfriend(s) in front of his wife.

Now these too, can end in several ways. From burn the bastard to reconciliation at all costs.

Then there are the alternatives...

The husband doesn't care whether she is cheating in fact he encourages it.

The wife doesn't care as long as he doesn't bother her and/or what she is doing with her boyfriend or girlfriend.

They both like what is happening and become swingers.

The only one I will never write is where the husband is subservient/submissive to the wife or a wimp as some readers like to call husbands like that. But I guess there are some men that enjoy that kind of thing and I won't put them down for that but, I am certainly not one of them.

Now if I have missed any and almost any that might be added will most likely belong to one or more of the clichés above, but if you think of one, add a comment and I will look into it.

Have I run out of ideas? Not really, it's just now they are a variation on a theme set of stories.

I forgot the exact quote, but there's something to the effect that there are only six basic stories in the world. I'm not sure of that, but a lot of these clichés are true. Flaubert and Tolstoy covered this ground before, and I believe the ancient Greeks did too. Of course, today we have cell phones and social media where people foolishly leave lots of evidence of their misdeeds.

 

[RockHardKP]

A second scenario.......

As outlined above, Tiffany (T) and Maddie (M) are sisters. They share an apartment. Tiffany is dating Kyle (K) while M broke up with her boyfriend a few months ago. M has grown slightly depressed. T is concerned for her sister and the two girls talk about the situation. M shares that she is depressed about being broken up with and very horny since it has been several months since she has had sex....."I think I just need a good fucking"

T suggests she go to a night club and find a one-night fling, but M is too shy to do that. T is concerned for her sister and wants to help her.....after some hesitation, T offers..."Would you let Kyle fuck you?"........M gasps "Ohhh!! How would you feel about that?!" T smiles as she rubs a hand down between her legs "It kinda turns me on.... Only rule is, I get to watch"

Girls begin making plans. T calls K and starts arousing him with some nasty talking. She invites him over the next night for a special surprise and tells him to let himself in and follow the instructions that she will leave on the kitchen table. T tells M to make sure her pussy is completely shaved as that is a weakness for K

The next night, M hides in the bedroom closet just before K arrives as planned. He reads the note which tells him to strip naked and go to the bedroom and enjoy his surprise. It tells him she gives her full support and acceptance.... He walks into the bedroom with his full erection leading the way. M is naked on the bed with her legs spread rubbing her bald pussy....She looks at him and then down at his cock. "Come get your surprise" .....what he doesn't know is that T is watching through the closet door with two fingers deep inside her own sopping wet pussy.

 

[Magineer]

I'm the latter type of writer. I start with a very clear plot concept and THEN I build the characters around it.

Which is the only real way to do it.

Starting with characters is a godawful way to approach story writing. At best it will strait-jacket an author as regards any free flow of ideas. At worst, the "plot" will become a slave to your self-imposed, pre-existing constraints.

You will have put yourself in the position of a committee, set up to design a throroughbred racehorse, which cannot understand why it keeps producing lop-sided camels thanks to its burden of rules and regulations.

Plot first - and always first. Why? Because the plot IS the story. Setting and characters vie for a distant second place, even if sometimes they can add interest and colour. It is a danger that many authors forget. They lose themselves in wonderful descriptions of people and settings - which is the easy option - forgetting that we need to hear an interesting story, which is very much the hard part.

 

[Salacious_Scribe]

Which is the only real way to do it.

Starting with characters is a godawful way to approach story writing. At best it will strait-jacket an author as regards any free flow of ideas. At worst, the "plot" will become a slave to your self-imposed, pre-existing constraints.

You will have put yourself in the position of a committee, set up to design a throroughbred racehorse, which cannot understand why it keeps producing lop-sided camels thanks to its burden of rules and regulations.

Plot first - and always first. Why? Because the plot IS the story. Setting and characters vie for a distant second place, even if sometimes they can add interest and colour. It is a danger that many authors forget. They lose themselves in wonderful descriptions of people and settings - which is the easy option - forgetting that we need to hear an interesting story, which is very much the hard part.

There is no one Write way to right (pun intended).

I start by opening a blank document and type. No idea what's going to happen. I can't outline, I've tried by my characters refise to go where I want and If I try and force them the story sucks.

Never tell anyone that their way of doing something is wrong. It may not be your way, but it's not the only way.

 

[SimonDoom]

There is no one Write way to right (pun intended).

I start by opening a blank document and type. No idea what's going to happen. I can't outline, I've tried by my characters refise to go where I want and If I try and force them the story sucks.

Never tell anyone that their way of doing something is wrong. It may not be your way, but it's not the only way.

I strongly agree with that. I write completely the opposite way from you, and I'm happy to share how I do it, but not with any intention of trying to convince somebody my way is the only way. There are others unlike me who start with characters and go from there. It works for them. Your way works for you.

 

[Magineer]

There is no one Write way to right (pun intended).

I start by opening a blank document and type. No idea what's going to happen. I can't outline, I've tried by my characters refise to go where I want and If I try and force them the story sucks.

Never tell anyone that their way of doing something is wrong. It may not be your way, but it's not the only way.

I didn't say it was "wrong". I said it was godawful... which it is, in spades and royally.

By all means go ahead and collect your touchy-feely brownie points with folk by claiming that all methods are equally valid... but, frankly, by common consent there are bad ways and good ways of tackling any given objective and to deny this is wilfully to bury your head in the sand.

You can paint your house with the head of a mop at the end of broomstick attached to a ton weight if you wish... I'll persist in using this odd thing called a "paint brush"...

 

[Salacious_Scribe]

I didn't say it was "wrong". I said it was godawful... which it is, in spades and royally.

By all means go ahead and collect your touchy-feely brownie points with folk by claiming that all methods are equally valid... but, frankly, by common consent there are bad ways and good ways of tackling any given objective and to deny this is wilfully to bury your head in the sand.

You can paint your house with the head of a mop at the end of broomstick attached to a ton weight if you wish... I'll persist in using this odd thing called a "paint brush"...

If I had to paint a house I would use a roller, or a paint sprayer. Much faster than a paint brush. But you go ahead and waste your time. But this proves my point, there can be more than one right way. That doesn't mean there aren't wrong ways. EXCEPT when it comes to art. There is no wrong way to do your art, and writing is an art.

But now I know you're a troll so, Bye bye troll.

 

[Cfnmlover84]

Thanks for the replies! I think my post may have been somewhat confusing. The cheating idea I included was mainly an example of the type of idea I like. I do plan on writing that one at some point.

What I’m hoping for is some new ideas/set-ups for other stories. What are other unique cheating/cuckold/cuckquean/etc set-ups that could make for an interesting story and fit characters like these?

sirhugs and CuttingEdge, great points on characterizations. I mainly included the descriptions here for inspiration. In actual stories, it’s about finding the right balance. Giving the readers just enough information or if there is a lot of detail, parsing it out more piecemeal rather than in an info dump (unless the info dump makes sense. Too often it’s “girl walks in front of mirror”).

Anyway, I hope the clarification on the request helps.

Here's an idea that i have for a story (although you can write it if you want to.)

The husband is looking at porn online when he finds a photo of his wife with a male stripper, She's 45 years old and he always thought she was a prude, They haven't had sex in five years. He discovers to his shock there's more photos of her sucking whip cream off of the stripper's cock and balls.

He doesn't know if she swallowed the stripper's load or if she fucked him, He decides to ask her and she confesses everything to him.

 

[writer4hire69]

I love when post topics go completely off the rails and become a debate...

The only thing I'll say in regards to this is that clearly constructing a story based around characters and letting them guide the story over a rigid plot is a stupid idea. It's why Breaking Bad failed so miserably. What a terrible failure of a show, a thesis on how there's only one way to write and it's definitely plot first and not any other way and really just depends on the writer.

 

[Cfnmlover84]

I love when post topics go completely off the rails and become a debate...

The only thing I'll say in regards to this is that clearly constructing a story based around characters and letting them guide the story over a rigid plot is a stupid idea. It's why Breaking Bad failed so miserably. What a terrible failure of a show, a thesis on how there's only one way to write and it's definitely plot first and not any other way and really just depends on the writer.

Ignore that troll, I like your ideas and i hope we can collaborate.

 

[RockHardKP]

I love when post topics go completely off the rails and become a debate...

The only thing I'll say in regards to this is that clearly constructing a story based around characters and letting them guide the story over a rigid plot is a stupid idea. It's why Breaking Bad failed so miserably. What a terrible failure of a show, a thesis on how there's only one way to write and it's definitely plot first and not any other way and really just depends on the writer.

In an effort to get this thread back on track, I will offer a third scenario.....

The more adventurous Tiffany goes on a shady website to meet a guy (Kyle). Not a respectable one like Match but one with the only intent is to find someone to fuck. The conservative Maddie learns of T's plans and is terrified that this guy will be a weirdo and try to harm her sister. In an effort to protect her sister she hides in the closet and watches in case things go in the wrong direction.

 

[Magineer]

If I had to paint a house I would use a roller, or a paint sprayer. Much faster than a paint brush. But you go ahead and waste your time. But this proves my point, there can be more than one right way. That doesn't mean there aren't wrong ways. EXCEPT when it comes to art. There is no wrong way to do your art, and writing is an art.

But now I know you're a troll so, Bye bye troll.

Writing is an art, yes... but constructing stories is a craft.

Who was it who said that the first refuge of the incompetent is to name calling?

I am anything but a "troll". I am a serious contributor who has made a serious point - and one which, being a firm stance, has not gone down well amongst those who like to present themselves as all things to all people.

Why should I be surprised that on this site, where the art of telling an actual story is so little valued, that there are some who think that you can get away with plot-devoid waffle in its place? The answer presents itself readily: that's what they do pretty well all the time.

I'll not resort to your tactics. I've made an obvious point - obvious at least to any unbiased third-party observer - and I'll allow you to continue with your valiant efforts to prove that black is white.

 

[Cfnmlover84]

Here's how my concept could work within your rules.

It is Tiffany who discovers the photo of her sister Maddie cheating and sucking a male stripper's cock, She tries to make sure that her brother in-law doesn't find out.

 

[SimonDoom]

Writing is an art, yes... but constructing stories is a craft.

Who was it who said that the first refuge of the incompetent is to name calling?

I am anything but a "troll". I am a serious contributor who has made a serious point - and one which, being a firm stance, has not gone down well amongst those who like to present themselves as all things to all people.

Why should I be surprised that on this site, where the art of telling an actual story is so little valued, that there are some who think that you can get away with plot-devoid waffle in its place? The answer presents itself readily: that's what they do pretty well all the time.

I'll not resort to your tactics. I've made an obvious point - obvious at least to any unbiased third-party observer - and I'll allow you to continue with your valiant efforts to prove that black is white.

Hold on, now. You're the one who is taking a position you claim is "all things to all people."

You have not, from what I can see, actually published any stories here. That doesn't mean you're not entitled to your opinion, but perhaps you should leaven it with a bit more humility and a bit less certitude. If another writer says he does things another way, who are you to say it's flat out wrong? Quite a few others say they write the way Salacious Scribe does. It's not at all unusual. Some of them do quite well here.

I write my way, and I'm happy to gas on about it, but I don't claim it's the only way. None of us should claim there is only one way -- the evidence of other writers that think differently from us and whose works are appreciated proves otherwise.

 

[Magineer]

Hold on, now. You're the one who is taking a position you claim is "all things to all people."

You have not, from what I can see, actually published any stories here. That doesn't mean you're not entitled to your opinion, but perhaps you should leaven it with a bit more humility and a bit less certitude. If another writer says he does things another way, who are you to say it's flat out wrong? Quite a few others say they write the way Salacious Scribe does. It's not at all unusual. Some of them do quite well here.

I write my way, and I'm happy to gas on about it, but I don't claim it's the only way. None of us should claim there is only one way -- the evidence of other writers that think differently from us and whose works are appreciated proves otherwise.

I give up.

People on here simply refuse to actually read what is written before sounding off. Like others before you on this thread, you write from your assumptions instead of your ability to read and understand.

I repeat: nowhere did I say that anything was "wrong". Go back and look. For the second time I'm having to point out that I said it was bad. Surely you understand the difference between these fairly basic concepts..?

And so far from trying to toady and be all things to all people like some on here, I was actually taking up a firm position on that particular matter. If people take issue with it, fine, but they should at least base their arguments on what I've said and not what they think I've said. It would also be a pretty good idea if they knew the difference between "writing" and inventing stories.

This forum is about the latter.

Start constructing your characters before you know what's going to happen to them and you force yourself into a ridiculous strait-jacket.

I tire of stating the obvious and will leave you as per my last post.

 

[Cfnmlover84]

I repeat: nowhere did I say that anything was "wrong". Go back and look.

Well here's what you said.

"Which is the only real way to do it. Starting with characters is a godawful way to approach story writing. At best it will strait-jacket an author as regards any free flow of ideas. At worst, the "plot" will become a slave to your self-imposed, pre-existing constraints."

Pretty big words for someone who's never published a story and only contribution appears to be trolling. Not to mention hijacking threads and starting fights.