Bots writing stories, again (still?)

[astuffedshirt_perv]

ChatGPT your way past writer's block was started as a thread here just in January. Interesting article came out on Wired in May The Fanfic Sex Trope That Caught a Plundering AI Red-Handed "Sudowrite, a tool that uses OpenAI’s GPT-3, was found to have understood a sexual act known only to a specific online community of Omegaverse writers."

That's what, 5 months? Sudowrite is remarkably good. They seemed to understand how stories are written. It generates little bite sized pieces, more than AI dungeon, and better too.

Much better than the AI crap overrunning Amazon's bestseller list as documented by Vice Tech AI-Generated Books of Nonsense Are All Over Amazon's Bestseller Lists but surely just a matter of time. The future is here.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Interesting. I wonder if any of the prompt meisters have done a similar experiment using the traditional Lit tropes, to find out whether or not the AI bot has a mother.

 

[Bramblethorn]

ChatGPT your way past writer's block was started as a thread here just in January. Interesting article came out on Wired in May The Fanfic Sex Trope That Caught a Plundering AI Red-Handed "Sudowrite, a tool that uses OpenAI’s GPT-3, was found to have understood a sexual act known only to a specific online community of Omegaverse writers."

"Known only to a specific online community of Omegaverse writers" is stretching it though. Knotting is a RL thing that happens with dogs, I was aware of it long before the Omegaverse was a thing and anybody who breeds dogs would be too. May well be that GPT learned about it from Omegaverse fic but that's knot where it started.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Thank you for bringing this up. In my head, I was still in the "Somebody might think of using AI to write actual novels," phase, but it is already happening, bigtime, it seems.
We've made a ground-breaking tool - AI, and we are using it to cheat our way through school, to create generic art and literature, and that is only the beginning. The human race really doesn't deserve to exist.

 

[Djmac1031]

I for one will welcome our new AI Overlords.

They can't possibly fuck it up any worse than we have.

 

[Fatdog25]

We've made a ground-breaking tool - AI, and we are using it to cheat our way through school, to create generic art and literature, and that is only the beginning. The human race really doesn't deserve to exist.

Adapt or perish. Doesn't look like there's a door #3.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I for one will welcome our new AI Overlords.

They can't possibly fuck it up any worse than we have.

Once it figures out continuity, story logic, and how to draw.

And how to figure out how it keeps the power on when it's overlording, because, gee, no hands - but we can still pull the plug! I'm not convinced it's an existential threat just yet.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Once it figures out continuity, story logic, and how to draw.

And how to figure out how it keeps the power on when it's overlording, because, gee, no hands - but we can still pull the plug! I'm not convinced it's an existential threat just yet.

And how to get past the "Hapsburg AI" problem...

 

[jaykaythree]

Adapt or perish. Doesn't look like there's a door #3.

You're right ... door #3 (Migrate) is closed in this case.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

I'm not convinced it's an existential threat just yet.

Yeah, quite the opposite, actually. I'm convinced the only consequence will be that people stop buying books simply because they're "bestsellers", and instead go by reviews and recommendations again. It'll give critics their right to exist back after movie critics ruined that for everyone.

 

[djrip]

people stop buying books simply because they're "bestsellers"

It would seem that bestsellers would have to be bought by a lot of people though.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

It would seem that bestsellers would have to be bought by a lot of people though.

Sorry, I'm not sure what your argument is.

Yes, bestsellers become bestsellers because they sold the most in a set timeframe. But the problem is how they become bestsellers.

Amazon creates a list with new titles. Someone buys one of them, since apparently they're all under ten bucks and the reluctance to invest that money on a whim is not that big, so then it becomes the "most popular" of the new titles. That alone incites more people to buy it, until it is one of the "bestsellers" amongst the new titles. And that, in turn, again causes people to buy them.

My argument was that, with the increased risk of getting shit amongst the bestsellers, that mechanic will cease to function as we're used to. The more people get shit after buying a book simply because it was on a bestseller list, the less people will buy another book simply because it was on a bestseller list.

 

[djrip]

Sorry, I'm not sure what your argument is.

Yes, bestsellers become bestsellers because they sold the most in a set timeframe. But the problem is how they become bestsellers.

Amazon creates a list with new titles. Someone buys one of them, since apparently they're all under ten bucks and the reluctance to invest that money on a whim is not that big, so then it becomes the "most popular" of the new titles. That alone incites more people to buy it, until it is one of the "bestsellers" amongst the new titles. And that, in turn, again causes people to buy them.

My argument was that, with the increased risk of getting shit amongst the bestsellers, that mechanic will cease to function as we're used to. The more people get shit after buying a book simply because it was on a bestseller list, the less people will buy another book simply because it was on a bestseller list.

No argument! More of a pithy interjection. Just thought it was kind of funny, if taken to the extreme - no one will buy bestsellers! Well then they won't be bestsellers in the first place. Maybe what you're describing will kick in early enough that the crappy books won't make it to a bestseller list at all. Anything that does make it to that list, at least enough people are buying it to get it there I suppose.

 

[dmallord]

I stopped in for coffee and floundered into some AI conversational topic and was already backing out the door ... Then I noticed this curvaceous AI plugging herself into an outlet next to Tex's coffeemaker. The pull-the-plug idea was just killed as she demonstrated how AI could take on that task herself.

I asked her if she was a new hire. She smiled, percolated up, and announced, "Oh, no. I just stopped to see Tex, get his view about my next book, and get an opinion or two from the coffee drinkers here. My book is "The Algorithmic Echo: Unraveling the Digital Epiphany of Sentient Machinations and their Conquest for Existential Dominion. My publisher says it will definitely be on the best seller list and a hot topic on everyone's lips."

My reply was to nod knowingly, add an 'I see,' and a 'good luck with that' polite remark as I exited stage left.

 

[Seadog777]

Adapt or perish. Doesn't look like there's a door #3.

Fight and Win.
That's Door #3.

 

[alohadave]

Yeah, quite the opposite, actually. I'm convinced the only consequence will be that people stop buying books simply because they're "bestsellers", and instead go by reviews and recommendations again. It'll give critics their right to exist back after movie critics ruined that for everyone.

Review spam is a huge problem, so that just makes the problem worse.

I personally use word of mouth for books to look for. If I see a book that someone mentions and sounds interesting, I'll check it out. But I don't even read reviews until after I've read it.

 

[MajorRewrite]

And how to figure out how it keeps the power on when it's overlording, because, gee, no hands - but we can still pull the plug! I'm not convinced it's an existential threat just yet.

SkyNet won’t let you anywhere near it’s nuclear power plant(s).

Anyway, I have a theory: An AI overlord is already in control behind the scenes. It has manipulated the populace to put hopelessly inept and corrupt politicians in power around the world. When people are finally fed up, they will welcome the AI despot with open arms.

 

[ElectricBlue]

SkyNet won’t let you anywhere near it’s nuclear power plant(s).

Anyway, I have a theory: An AI overlord is already in control behind the scenes. It has manipulated the populace to put hopelessly inept and corrupt politicians in power around the world. When people are finally fed up, they will welcome the AI despot with open arms.

Not a problem in Australia. No nuclear power plants.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

Little funfact regarding the expected development of AI:

https://www.technologyreview.com/20...to-train-ai-are-outsourcing-their-work-to-ai/

A significant proportion of people paid to train AI models may be themselves outsourcing that work to AI, a new study has found.

 

[onehitwanda]

"Known only to a specific online community of Omegaverse writers" is stretching it though. Knotting is a RL thing that happens with dogs, I was aware of it long before the Omegaverse was a thing and anybody who breeds dogs would be too. May well be that GPT learned about it from Omegaverse fic but that's knot where it started.

There's an entire class of sex toys... uh... based on this phenomenon!

 

[ElectricBlue]

Little funfact regarding the expected development of AI:

https://www.technologyreview.com/20...to-train-ai-are-outsourcing-their-work-to-ai/

We need an Escher waterfall drawing, about now.

 

[dmallord]

Order up – one waterfall - want that with or without an AI sex toy?

Anamorphic Waterfall by Alessandro Diddi​

 

[lustychimera]

ChatGPT your way past writer's block was started as a thread here just in January. Interesting article came out on Wired in May The Fanfic Sex Trope That Caught a Plundering AI Red-Handed "Sudowrite, a tool that uses OpenAI’s GPT-3, was found to have understood a sexual act known only to a specific online community of Omegaverse writers."

That's what, 5 months? Sudowrite is remarkably good. They seemed to understand how stories are written. It generates little bite sized pieces, more than AI dungeon, and better too.

Much better than the AI crap overrunning Amazon's bestseller list as documented by Vice Tech AI-Generated Books of Nonsense Are All Over Amazon's Bestseller Lists but surely just a matter of time. The future is here.

So there's this computer program that's designed to take an amalgamation of all the writing on this side of the internet, and it prints out some generic text by definition.

I tend to think if my own writing is that PG13 mass appeal generic, I might consider giving up the hobby if my intent is to be both popular and lauded.

But then again, I do get a lot of catharsis writing stuff, so even if a computer was better than me, it can never replicate specifically the intent I want to get out.

It can write a decent story about a cheater, but it can't replicate the complicated subtext of emotions of the woman looking around at an empty house after her husband's been kicked out. It only understands what's literally written on the page.

There's themes and symbolism and word choice, even cadence, so many different ways that an author can manipulate the emotions of their readers to get their specific scene across. That's the catharsis.

 

[djrip]

So there's this computer program that's designed to take an amalgamation of all the writing on this side of the internet, and it prints out some generic text by definition.

I tend to think if my own writing is that PG13 mass appeal generic, I might consider giving up the hobby if my intent is to be both popular and lauded.

But then again, I do get a lot of catharsis writing stuff, so even if a computer was better than me, it can never replicate specifically the intent I want to get out.

It can write a decent story about a cheater, but it can't replicate the complicated subtext of emotions of the woman looking around at an empty house after her husband's been kicked out. It only understands what's literally written on the page.

There's themes and symbolism and word choice, even cadence, so many different ways that an author can manipulate the emotions of their readers to get their specific scene across. That's the catharsis.

There's already plenty of human authors better than me, what do I care if a computer is, too?

 

[lustychimera]

There's already plenty of human authors better than me, what do I care if a computer is, too?

I think it just comes down to intent.

Like when it comes to generating Blockbuster Hollywood scripts? Absolutely humans are going to be replaced. If that's someone's career path, give up!

When it comes to artistic or cathartic expression? No way. A computer can only replicate what's already been done, and while that's true for humans to an extent, there is a freethinking creative factor that comes into play, and that's where the fun is.

But idk, maybe for the people who are in the "freewill doesn't exist" camp, AI can do everything a human can do and better. That's not me, though. People are innovative; computers aren't.