Boris Johnson: How long can he sustain?

[gxnn]

So many ministers and secretaries resign that even the press do not have time enough to print the news reports.
If last time the trouble was caused by the Labour, then this time he has no other excuse for the interior mutiny. What is the point of remaining in the seat of Prime Minister if there is no supporters around. He will not carry the water bottle himself in the Downing 10 office or serve the visiting Joe Biden by making coffee himself, will he, when there is no servant left(which is very likely)?

Putin will laugh his ass off.

 

[Chobham]

I think you are making a mistake here. Boris is under siege for mostly personal failings, not necessarily policy failings. Further, foreign policy isn't even being discussed among his faults. Boris may indeed fall, and Putin can take credit, unfounded credit, but credit none the less. But I wouldn't count on whoever takes his place to make any policy decisions re. the Russian-Ukraine issue that would be of benefit to Putin. Public sentiment re. the Ukraine is quite seperate from whatever they may feel regarding Boris.

 

[Enthrallyaa]

It has been announced that he is to resign today.

 

[rockcasbah]

That’s too bad… i think the timing is bad for the country, but he got brexit done, as promised and he has a new family, so off he goes!

 

[oggbashan]

He will stay on until the Conservative Party elects a new PM. The trouble is that there is no obvious candidate so the contest could be messy.

 

[ll74]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1544720221843456001

 

[hobbit.]

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He will stay on until the Conservative Party elects a new PM. The trouble is that there is no obvious candidate so the contest could be messy.

s someone on twitter put it ''the worst caretaker since ian huntley'

a party funded in part from russia sacks a pro ukraine leader after he wins a 60% in favour vote of confidence. what could possibly have changed?

 

[mayfly13]

He will stay on until the Conservative Party elects a new PM. The trouble is that there is no obvious candidate so the contest could be messy.

What exactly is his legacy, ogg? The good and the bad
For example, did he leave a more indebted Britain behind, did he approve of good/bad laws or policies?

I only paid attention to the ridic. and contradictory stuff
ie clapping for the 'brave, brave' essential workers in Congress - then giving Parliament workers a raise but refusing to gib=ve nurses one
or applauding the 'brave brave' Ukrainians in Parliament - then only accepting more reffugees after being pressured by the Public and Press

 

[jomar]

One UK pundit said that while he got a couple of things done, Brexit for one, he and his admin will mostly be remembered for dishonesty.

 

[Btq97]

Bj was sacked a number of times for lies.
Cheated on all his wives.
Has never owned up to how many children he has. And now he has had to quit the one job he always wanted

 

[oggbashan]

1. He and the Chancellor reduced the UK's debt post-Covid.

2. After initial wobbles at the start of Covid, based on insufficient scientific advice, he supported UK industry throughout.

3. He delivered Brexit, except for the Northern Ireland protocol which is still causing problems. That is what he was elected to do.

4. He has supported Ukraine more than any other European leader. He has stopped the UK's minimal imports of Russian oil and gas.

5. He didn't refuse to give nurses a raise. He waited for the pay review to annouce its findings and the discussions are still ongoing.

6. The refugees? That was a Home Office fuck-up which he has been trying to correct. Their procedures were arcane and contradictory but Ukrainian refugees are finally arriving in numbers but the system is still fucked-up - a legacy of electoral resistance to accepting economic migrants.

But his personal behaviour has been a disaster for the country and the Conservative Party. Any new leader, and there has never been any obvious candidate, will have to try hard to rebuild trust and confidence.

 

[mayfly13]

1. He and the Chancellor reduced the UK's debt post-Covid.

2. After initial wobbles at the start of Covid, based on insufficient scientific advice, he supported UK industry throughout.

3. He delivered Brexit, except for the Northern Ireland protocol which is still causing problems. That is what he was elected to do.

4. He has supported Ukraine more than any other European leader. He has stopped the UK's minimal imports of Russian oil and gas.

5. He didn't refuse to give nurses a raise. He waited for the pay review to annouce its findings and the discussions are still ongoing.

6. The refugees? That was a Home Office fuck-up which he has been trying to correct. Their procedures were arcane and contradictory but Ukrainian refugees are finally arriving in numbers but the system is still fucked-up - a legacy of electoral resistance to accepting economic migrants.

But his personal behaviour has been a disaster for the country and the Conservative Party. Any new leader, and there has never been any obvious candidate, will have to try hard to rebuild trust and confidence.

1 and 2.
interesting, and unexpected to me.
based on my interpretation of what the Press has been saying for 2 years


His comedic populist character, which colored everything:
My impression was that initially he was liked for it, but that then the public turned 180.
A bit like with Trump. But unlike Trump -from what you described- Boris had far more substance.

 

[oggbashan]

The public reaction is mixed. Who turned against him were the Conservative MPs who saw him as having become an electoral disaster.

If he were to be the leader in the next election they saw that they could lose their majority.

Part of the problem is that his majority was too large. It gave room for his MPs to become disaffected. A slim majority means strict party discipline. A large one? MPs feel they can rebel without really affecting the government.

Having said all that, his achievements have been considerable and the scandals were mainly because his team didn't support or advise him properly. Partygate shouldn't have happened if people had said 'No, Prime Minister, we shouldn't do that'.

The latest scandal about the Deputy Chief whip is that the Deputy had been complained about but had been exonerated and the choice was limited. Boris knew about the complaints but because they had been cleared, ignored them, then denied he had been told. That was a lie too far...

 

[XerXesXu]

Boris Johnson'll go down as the UK's most famous prime minister for at least another generation, he'll become the UK's wealthiest ever ex-prime minister - memoirs, film rights, sinecure appointments, speech fees etc. If he resigns his seat will he be offered a peerage? We'll see. Whoever replaces him will be haunted by the knowledge that they've replaced a politician far more able than they are - and they themselves maybe the Prime Minister who leads his/her party into a disastrous election. That knowledge will upset a lot of people for a long time.

 

[mayfly13]

ogg and xerxes,
I'm trully surprised.

I didn't think bj was as disastruous as newspapers made him to be,
but from there to such positive reviews....


Why did the press gang up on him & paint him in such an unfair light?
or maybe I only read tabloids...

 

[rockcasbah]

The public reaction is mixed. Who turned against him were the Conservative MPs who saw him as having become an electoral disaster.

If he were to be the leader in the next election they saw that they could lose their majority.

Part of the problem is that his majority was too large. It gave room for his MPs to become disaffected. A slim majority means strict party discipline. A large one? MPs feel they can rebel without really affecting the government.

Having said all that, his achievements have been considerable and the scandals were mainly because his team didn't support or advise him properly. Partygate shouldn't have happened if people had said 'No, Prime Minister, we shouldn't do that'.

The latest scandal about the Deputy Chief whip is that the Deputy had been complained about but had been exonerated and the choice was limited. Boris knew about the complaints but because they had been cleared, ignored them, then denied he had been told. That was a lie too far...

Pride goeth before a fall.

 

[oggbashan]

ogg and xerxes,
I'm trully surprised.

I didn't think bj was as disastruous as newspapers made him to be,
but from there to such positive reviews....


Why did the press gang up on him & paint him in such an unfair light?
or maybe I only read tabloids...

The press? No, it was his MPs being reported in the Press. The BBC was anti-Johnson and may suffer as a result. Even those papers that support the Conservatives were worried. The by-election results were a major blow. Losing a Conservative seat with a huge majority was a major wake-up call.

 

[rockcasbah]

The Conservatives have shot themselves in the head.

Biggest majority in decades, squandered.

 

[ishtat]

Keir Starmer nailed it: "The ship has deserted the sinking Rat." not original, but spot on.

 

[oggbashan]

Keith Starmer has as many problems as Boris. He is awaiting the Durham Police's report on the curry party and has said he will resign if fined.

The Labour Party is still full of Momentum and Jeremy Corbyn supporters, and strike activists who want to bring down the governemnt by street protests - they won't. They never do.

At the moment, both Conservatives and Labour seem unelectable to form a majority.

 

[Chernosoth]

he'll become the UK's wealthiest ever ex-prime minister

He may not feel so wealthy if the UK has energy and food rationing.

 

[XerXesXu]

ogg and xerxes,
I'm trully surprised.

I didn't think bj was as disastruous as newspapers made him to be,
but from there to such positive reviews....


Why did the press gang up on him & paint him in such an unfair light?
or maybe I only read tabloids...

Living in the Philippines gives one a different perspective on sleaze, dishonesty and corruption. Here Marcos' son has just been sworn in as President, and Duterte's daughter as Vice-President. Their Nobel Prize winning journalist will go to jail if she's unwise enough to return. It would be difficult to explain to anyone here what Boris did wrong.

Brendan O'Neill sums things up accurately.
Spiked.

 

[XerXesXu]

He may not feel so wealthy if the UK has energy and food rationing.

Energy and food are always rationed - by price. He won't be living on the limited income of a prime minister much longer; his huge increase in income will insulate him from transient fluctuations in prices.

 

[mayfly13]

I was just reading that Boris Johnson lobbied for Brexit

and that reminded me of the YouTube vids showing post-Brexit harassment o Poles, "go home"

Ironic, eh? How that racist minority got their wish -- only to have Poles and Eastern Europeans replaced by Middle Eastern and African illegals

 

[oggbashan]

As usual, you are accusing everyone for the actions of a few idiots.

There were many reasons why people voted for Brexit and Polish builders were not a real issue. The EU was and is a messy bureaucratic nightmare and still is.

How long will it last? I can see it breaking up in a decade. The French voted for anti-EU parties. the Hungarians are pissed off with the EU.