Bondage lovers "not sexually abnormal"

[Anna_Malia75]

I found this article on the Lit Story Page and thought it deserved an AH audience. This is science, people! From The Journal of Sexual Medicine! I didn't see it there; maybe I forgot to pay that bill and my subscription lapsed.

I should note that the study was limited to Australians, so its applicability to those of us who live right side up is still open to debate. The article quotes the author of Doing it Down Under, for example. Isn't that where everybody does it?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24237715-26103,00.html

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Actually it isnt science; its a survey, a sample of opinion. I mean, do you expect people to say, "I'm a sick fuck who gets a boner beating people."? Perverts who diddle kiddies think theyre okay, too.

If it was science the perfesser woulda checked criminal history, credit history, marital records, military history, academic performance, etc., to see if correlations existed.

 

[Shwenn]

It's Social "Science". It could be science or not.

From what I understand, there are ways to get this information without asking in obvious ways on the poll form. As there are ways to determine if the person taking the poll is being disingenuous.

But we have no way of knowing if they did that. The peer review process for social sciences isn't quite the gauntlet it is in the hard sciences. They let each other get away with murder.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Junk Science

SHWENN

A survey isnt an experiment, you dont even know if the respondents are lying when you get an opinion from them.

The perfesser needs to link the opinion with verified facts, to get a correlation coefficient for determining how valid the self-report is.

 

[Shwenn]

A survey isnt an experiment, you dont even know if the respondents are lying when you get an opinion from them.

As I said, from what I understand, there are ways to determine that. I'm not in the social sciences so I can't really speak to that fact. I got my degree in math and I we did touch on this in statistics courses.

Surveys are pretty sophisticated. You put in red herring questions, you ask questions about certain things that people usually don't realize are common human experiences.

Like, "Have you ever stood at a great height and felt the urge to jump."

The question itself isn't telling, most people have experienced that. It is only included to test the honesty of the person you are surveying. Most people have no idea how incredibly common it is. A person who is trying to make you think they are healthy will lie about that.

Put a few questions like that in your survey (you need a few because not every single person has had that experience), the people who answer 'NO' to all of them are not being honest with you. You throw out those surveys.

 

[xssve]

So lemme get this straight JBJ - actual slavery is justifiable and beneficent, but consensual roleplaying is "sick"?

Right wing logic at it's finest.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

"Professional views" of BDSM are full of shit. I had to teach my shrink how to beat me.

 

[TxRad]

"Professional views" of BDSM are full of shit. I had to teach my shrink how to beat me.

There's the problem. You got a professional shrink. Go to the bar and drink. The booze will relax ya and the bartender will do a better job of shrinking your head and it's all a hell of a lot cheaper. Except for the liver transplant if the therapy takes to long.

On the main topic: I've always said, BDSM isn't just for kinky people any more.

 

[Guest]

"Professional views" of BDSM are full of shit. I had to teach my shrink how to beat me.

I hope he uses a big stick.

 

[Guest]

There's the problem. You got a professional shrink. Go to the bar and drink. The booze will relax ya and the bartender will do a better job of shrinking your head and it's all a hell of a lot cheaper. Except for the liver transplant if the therapy takes to long.

On the main topic: I've always said, BDSM isn't just for kinky people any more.

Kink? What kink?

It's all good, baby.

 

[AllardChardon]

"People with these sexual interests have long been seen by medicine and the law as, at best, damaged and in need of therapy and, at worst, dangerous and in need of legal regulation," she said.

There was also an assumption, mostly among the general public, that people involved in BDSM were sexually deficient in some way, "and need particularly strong stimuli such as being beaten or tied up to become aroused".

Sexually deficient? Huh? Us? No way. It is those missionary style only types that are deficient. And how!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Or we just don't generate endorphins. I certainly don't seem to. The whole concept of the "Runners' High" has never affected me at all, something that I regret. I'd have enjoyed being a distant runner, but it hurts.

 

[AllardChardon]

But are we deficient or deviant? I choose deviant. The last thing I feel is deficient, more like abundant. Sexually speaking, of course.

 

[Guest]

Does this mean I have to turn in my union card?

I'd hate to give it up... we give "strike" a whole new meaning...

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Typical of those in the norm to brand the rest of us as sick. This kind of article is only a first step at redressing this grievance.