Bojo is in a corner - will this equate to 'Falklands ii" with a less happy ending?

[hobbit.]

Bojo is in a corner - will this equate to 'Falklands ii" with a less happy ending?

More a socio point than a political point.

Our leader is a liar, demonstrable - is being investigated by someone he employed and he appointed..

What is his parties usual strategy when facing a fuck up on this scale?

Lets start a war with some third world country (think America invading Grenada) grab a few headlines, and all the shit dies down.....

so all we need is a naval accident in the black sea, invade russia, kick the shit out of ivan, murdoch prints a few catchy headlines and Bojo is an international statesman.

Happy days are here again....

 

[oggbashan]

We have just sent anti-tank missiles to Ukraine and instructors to teach them how to use them.

That will annoy Putin.

 

[hobbit.]

We have just sent anti-tank missiles to Ukraine and instructors to teach them how to use them.

That will annoy Putin.

Paul Dacre will be well impressed, into the valley rode the..... voting hopes of Bojo and Gove.

 

[hobbit.]

been brushing up on my eastern languages, can anyone translate this? (i dont want to use Google incase MI5 pick it up)

Да, "маленький эльф" был поистине великим. Непревзойденная вещь и великолепнейший вокал. Недавно смотрел видео с разбором вокала Dio преподавателем вокала - она осталась в полном восторге, сказав "Оперным певцам стоит послушать Dio, им есть чему у него поучиться".
P.S. Может, Liliac сделают кавер на Stargazer, в их вокалистке Melody есть что-то от RJD, недаром Dio кумир Melody.

Seems to be something about towers n shit.

 

[ryan8558]

Dio seems to be a theme.

 

[oggbashan]

Our missile submarines can hit Russian targets with a cruise missile (or the unlikely nuclear ones) from their base in Scotland or wherever they are. If launched from their Scottish base that would piss off Putin AND Nicola Sturgeon - Result!

 

[pecksniff]

Is this something about that wine party?

 

[thør]

It was BYOB.....

 

[oggbashan]

It was BYOB.....

And Boris dropped in for ten minutes. It is a storm in a wine glass.

I think the BBC is ramping up the rhetoric just to prove they should lose their licence fee.

As for Labour? Starmer attended a 'party' too. His posturing is hypocritical.

I am not sure there are enough Tory MPs with the balls to sign a letter calling for a leadership contest. My local MP was the first, but he wanted to retire at the last election and had his arm twisted to stand one last time. He has nothing to lose because he will stand down at the next election.

Any Tory MP who hopes to continue as an MP will be very wary of appearing to be a traitor, even if that is politic now. It will be remembered for decades into the future.

Even if they get the required number to call for a vote of no confidence, who would be the successor? No one else has got Boris' public figure. By comparison they are all grey nonentities who aren't going to inspire anyone.

PS: Even if they get the required number of letters to have a vote, many Tory MPs are unlikely to vote against Boris because it would be seen as a victory for Labour and the BBC.

 

[hobbit.]

It was BYOB.....

Bring Your Own Bomber

 

[Sean]

And Boris dropped in for ten minutes. It is a storm in a wine glass.

I think the BBC is ramping up the rhetoric just to prove they should lose their licence fee.

As for Labour? Starmer attended a 'party' too. His posturing is hypocritical.

I am not sure there are enough Tory MPs with the balls to sign a letter calling for a leadership contest. My local MP was the first, but he wanted to retire at the last election and had his arm twisted to stand one last time. He has nothing to lose because he will stand down at the next election.

Any Tory MP who hopes to continue as an MP will be very wary of appearing to be a traitor, even if that is politic now. It will be remembered for decades into the future.

Even if they get the required number to call for a vote of no confidence, who would be the successor? No one else has got Boris' public figure. By comparison they are all grey nonentities who aren't going to inspire anyone.

PS: Even if they get the required number of letters to have a vote, many Tory MPs are unlikely to vote against Boris because it would be seen as a victory for Labour and the BBC.

Just about every single line of this post is wrong. Kudos.

 

[hobbit.]

So it's OK for the Prime Minister to routinely lie to the commons and to break the rules the HE set while almost everyone else (including the Queen) abides by the governments rules?
That's fine by you is it because if it is then I expect that you'll be more than happy for anyone to blatantly lie to parliament and the electorate.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/poli...hit-i-may-have-spoken-in-haste-20220120216478

Just about every single line of this post is wrong. Kudos.

Ogg is mutating into harpy.

 

[thør]

Bring Your Own Bomber

That's a 651ml bottle size.

 

[oggbashan]

Just about every single line of this post is wrong. Kudos.

Wait and see. You might be right. So might I.

UK political predictions often turn out wrong.

 

[pecksniff]

This is not the sort of thing that precipitates an election, is it?

 

[oggbashan]

This is not the sort of thing that precipitates an election, is it?

No. UK Prime MInisters can be replaced by their own party at any time without an election. The Prime Minister is called 'First among equals' and the others can decide whether he should go.

The process in the Conservative party is that a proportion of MPs can write letters calling for a vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister. I think the current requirement is 57.

If 57 letters have been received it proceeds to a vote of all Conservative MPs. If that is passed, the Prime Minister has to step down and there is a leadership contest.


AS far as I know now, the 57 criterion hasn't been met and Conservative whips are persuading (blackmailing) according to one MP disaffected MPs NOT to write such letters. That is what party whips are expected to do, and any MP who thinks that is 'blackmail' has no understanding of the party system in UK politics.


Even if 57 MPs write such letters, all it means is that there will be a vote of 'no confidence' in the Prime Minister. The 'rebels' then have to win a majority of Conservative MPs to support that. Although many MPs are unhappy with Boris Johnson, would they vote against him in sufficient numbers?


If the 57 total isn't reached, no matter what the Opposition parties might say, they have no input into the process. If the number is less than 57, the Prime Minister stays, damaged, but still PM. If the 57 letters are received, the PM could still survive the vote of 'No confidence', even more damaged.


If there are 57 letters, and Boris wins the 'No Confidence' vote by a small majority, it is likely that he would have to step down before the next election.


If the letters written are less than 57, the PM will continue but would have to change what happens in 10 Downing Street, which he will have to do anyway. The PM will survive but would have to be careful for the next few months.

Edited for PS: Whips' blackmail? It is the party whips job to enforce discipline and obtain support for their party. In the current situation the whips are likely to tell any MP thinking of writing a letter calling for a no confidence vote that if they do so, they would forfeit any chance of progression within the Conservative party to a government post. It would be held against them for decades and their parliamentary career would be effectively over.

That is why the first letter was sent from my own MP. He wanted to retire at the last election and had his arm twisted to stay for one more term. He will NOT stand at the next election. By writing that letter he has ensured that the Conservative party will not attempt to select him to run again because he is a 'traitor'.

Edited for PPS: From The Times today, 21st January, I learned that the number of letters needed is 54, not 57.

But several MPs have indicated that they would wait until after the publication of the Gray report due next week. If that is critical of Boris personally, they will send their letters. BUT - even if all those sent letters it would not be enough to reach the 54 target.

The rebels have a real problem. If they manage to get 54 letters and trigger a no-confidence motion but lose? No other attempt could be made for a complete year, whatever Boris does in that year.

Some may want to wait for the results of the May council elections. If the Conservatives lose badly in those? The 54 target could be easier.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Those Isle of Manians are an uppity lot. Maybe BoJo can slap them round a bit?

 

[oggbashan]

Those Isle of Manians are an uppity lot. Maybe BoJo can slap them round a bit?

Not really. The Isle of Man is not really part of the UK. It is semi-independent but has allegiance to the Crown.

 

[oggbashan]

Hobbit and Sean think they know the UK's parliamentary system and the Conservative party's rules better than I do. I'm not convinced.

For hobbit? Be careful what you wish for. Getting rid of Boris could make the Conservative party's position at the next election better versus Labour.

Too many in the Labour party hate Starmer and are not impressed with his performance. The Downing Street party issue occupies too much of his efforts when there are other issues of policy that the Conservatives should be attacked for.

 

[hobbit.]

That's a 651ml bottle size.

with non refundable deposit.

 

[hobbit.]

Those Isle of Manians are an uppity lot. Maybe BoJo can slap them round a bit?

there are some scrap metal dealers on the IoM, just like the falklands, they need nuking.

Hobbit and Sean think they know the UK's parliamentary system and the Conservative party's rules better than I do. I'm not convinced. and for the record i couldnt give a fuck.

For hobbit? Be careful what you wish for. Getting rid of Boris could make the Conservative party's position at the next election better versus Labour. highly probable while starmer is around. we need Corbyn back now, not tory party defectors.

Too many in the Labour party hate Starmer and are not impressed with his performance. The Downing Street party issue occupies too much of his efforts when there are other issues of policy that the Conservatives should be attacked for.

Starmer is a tory. he has no interest in the people . he needs to go

 

[pecksniff]

No. UK Prime MInisters can be replaced by their own party at any time without an election. The Prime Minister is called 'First among equals' and the others can decide whether he should go.

The process in the Conservative party is that a proportion of MPs can write letters calling for a vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister. I think the current requirement is 57.

If 57 letters have been received it proceeds to a vote of all Conservative MPs. If that is passed, the Prime Minister has to step down and there is a leadership contest.


AS far as I know now, the 57 criterion hasn't been met and Conservative whips are persuading (blackmailing) according to one MP disaffected MPs NOT to write such letters. That is what party whips are expected to do, and any MP who thinks that is 'blackmail' has no understanding of the party system in UK politics.


Even if 57 MPs write such letters, all it means is that there will be a vote of 'no confidence' in the Prime Minister. The 'rebels' then have to win a majority of Conservative MPs to support that. Although many MPs are unhappy with Boris Johnson, would they vote against him in sufficient numbers?


If the 57 total isn't reached, no matter what the Opposition parties might say, they have no input into the process. If the number is less than 57, the Prime Minister stays, damaged, but still PM. If the 57 letters are received, the PM could still survive the vote of 'No confidence', even more damaged.


If there are 57 letters, and Boris wins the 'No Confidence' vote by a small majority, it is likely that he would have to step down before the next election.


If the letters written are less than 57, the PM will continue but would have to change what happens in 10 Downing Street, which he will have to do anyway. The PM will survive but would have to be careful for the next few months.

Edited for PS: Whips' blackmail? It is the party whips job to enforce discipline and obtain support for their party. In the current situation the whips are likely to tell any MP thinking of writing a letter calling for a no confidence vote that if they do so, they would forfeit any chance of progression within the Conservative party to a government post. It would be held against them for decades and their parliamentary career would be effectively over.

That is why the first letter was sent from my own MP. He wanted to retire at the last election and had his arm twisted to stay for one more term. He will NOT stand at the next election. By writing that letter he has ensured that the Conservative party will not attempt to select him to run again because he is a 'traitor'.

Edited for PPS: From The Times today, 21st January, I learned that the number of letters needed is 54, not 57.

But several MPs have indicated that they would wait until after the publication of the Gray report due next week. If that is critical of Boris personally, they will send their letters. BUT - even if all those sent letters it would not be enough to reach the 54 target.

The rebels have a real problem. If they manage to get 54 letters and trigger a no-confidence motion but lose? No other attempt could be made for a complete year, whatever Boris does in that year.

Some may want to wait for the results of the May council elections. If the Conservatives lose badly in those? The 54 target could be easier.

Interesting system you have there.

 

[colddiesel]

I suspect that Hobbit has a secret agenda to replace Boris with his old chum JRM.

 

[oggbashan]

I suspect that Hobbit has a secret agenda to replace Boris with his old chum JRM.

Part of the row within the Conservative party is being orchestrated by dedicated anti-Brexit MPs.

 

[hobbit.]

Part of the row within the Conservative party is being orchestrated by dedicated anti-Brexit MPs.

oh for gods sake! so holding a party (one of many) in ones home / house (rented or otherwise) the night before the queens husbands funeral while instructing EVERYONE else to behave like good little minions, watching the queen sit isolated and alone at her husbands funeral, denying any parties took place, then claiming if they had (in your house) you knew nothing about them, then claiming you thought they were actually work, then having to apologise to the queen (which alone amongst most paul dacre worshipping tories would equate to a hanging offence) for misleading her..... And the best you can come up with is that its anti brexit MPs orchestrating this....

Once a brexit following racist fuck up, always a brexit fixated racist fuck up.