Bitch

[WickedEve]

I'm going to bitch about something rather trivial. I know I've had a few recent poems that climbed near the top of that infernal list. I watched then get one downed... or would that be oned down? Okay, so it happens. No big deal. But someone just oned Autistic Slumber. It was a spontaneous poem. Not my best, but not bad. But it's just kind of creepy to one a poem about someone's child. Ewww... how icky. lol
I feel better now.
By the way, I spent some time last week reading what's on the top list. Some good stuff I missed. I dished out some 4s and 5s. I found a few that were only 3 worthy. And God help me, some just asked for a 2. I'm sorry. Ah, I feel better confessing that.

 

[grumpymann]

I only got one vote........

 

[annaswirls]

God Eve, you are so sexy when you bitch.


If you find out who wrote the autistic slumber God help me I will set free the autistic children in waiting rooms across the land upon their hard drive and hard copies shredding them, eating them, or counting the letters, or better yet REwriting what they have written a hundred times better.

Damn


I feel much better now that you have bitched, Eve. And I am sorry that it happened to such a personal poem. Sucks. Don't let them get to you and all that stuff you said to me Something about titties?

I am trying to keep my eye away from numbers.

anna

 

[WickedEve]

Only one, grump?

Anna, I always say not to pay attention to votes. We poets must remember where we are. I even believe that personal poetry should be critiqued. Just because it's personal doesn't guarantee that it's good poetry. And I know many poets are struggling for the top spot. God forbid that lulu doesn't get her "pussy for master", or hank_hard_drive doesn't get his "I came on my motherboard and a I'm bad boy" to number one. But to vote down a poem about an autistic child to get there! That's sick!

 

[grumpymann]

Yup just one

Yes Eve just one and I was wondering if you got the file I sent you

 

[WickedEve]

Re: Yup just one

Yes Eve just one and I was wondering if you got the file I sent you

If you only have one poem at lit, then I voted on that one. But I'm sure someone else had to have voted.

No file, but that could be because I haven't gotten around to checking email in the last couple of days. I will go look now.

 

[Maria2394]

Eve, may I please bitchcause I have cramps and feel like a turd ball in wake of ten thousand dung beetle rampage? AAAGHHHHH

okay, and yes it does suck about your poem, I gave it a 5..early that morning when I saw the guy rag on Tess about all her comments, it made me really mad cause I know how much we all appreciate the feedback she gives and then I notice, hell, I must also need a life, cause I am in the second place spot...oh well, screw haanns grumperson, or what ever his name is

AND, you didnt read the poem i wrote for you : ( pout

okay, Im done

oh yeah, and its cold and sposed to snow, eeerrrr

anna, where are you? you wanna talk chocolate, i cant do it by myself, well, I can, but its no fun

 

[jthserra]

Eve...

I got so frustrated as I watched my poems plummet, in one case one fell to a 4.5 and then suddenly received a 4 vote, just enough to knock me out of the coveted... H. I was getting a 2 vote on everything I wrote, so I finally wrote Laurel about it. She was non committal about my complaints on the anonymous comments, but did say that I should report any poems that receive "fradulent votes". She will remove the votes where someone will give them numerous one's. I am of the opinion that a blanket of low votes to a poet is fradulent, so I will notify Laurel when this happens. The Ghost of North Beach has dropped to below 4.5, I notify Laurel, it climbed back up, it then dropped again and I notified her again, it climbed back up. I haven't looked today it may be back down.

To notify Laurel, look at the bottom of your poem where you comment on the poems, there is a hyperlink to where you can report the poem. Just click there, check off other and tell Laurel you suspect fraudulent voting.

jim

 

[Maria2394]

JIm,
I had 2 poems make it up there with a 5, then they got a couple or 3 ones, I didnt report it just in case someone really hated the poem...I was highly pissed the first few times it happened, but I just figure, everything evens out eventually, you know, chaos and all

ps, that IM you got on aol was me, dahlias sorrow, not some porn link, okay?

until later, maria

 

[WickedEve]

Eve, may I please bitchcause I have cramps and feel like a turd ball in wake of ten thousand dung beetle rampage? AAAGHHHHH

okay, and yes it does suck about your poem, I gave it a 5..early that morning when I saw the guy rag on Tess about all her comments, it made me really mad cause I know how much we all appreciate the feedback she gives and then I notice, hell, I must also need a life, cause I am in the second place spot...oh well, screw haanns grumperson, or what ever his name is

AND, you didnt read the poem i wrote for you : ( pout

okay, Im done

oh yeah, and its cold and sposed to snow, eeerrrr

anna, where are you? you wanna talk chocolate, i cant do it by myself, well, I can, but its no fun

what poem?! you wrote a poem for me? Where?

 

[Maria2394]

Hi Eve
in some other thread, writing conditions maybe? you said you were sending me weeds, like that would be a problem!! lol, so I wrote you a little description of what my tranquil garden is like right now, by the koi pond, late winter ( link in my sig line)

I tried to write "different" than I usually do, and was surprised at what I came up with, diff isnt always better though..anyway...hope you like it

ps, thanks for the PC on my chocolate poem

 

[mojo_cat]

Heh....let me get this out of my system

One: This voting anonymous ones thing pisses me off greatly.

I had a poem in the top ten. I was happy. It had a 4.9 rating. I went to bed.

I woke up. It had a 4.68. Three one votes. No feedback. No email. Nothing.

I wasn't going to email anyone about it (can they even tell who votes?) and I wasn't going to complain, but...since this thread is here...yeah. I'm fucking pissed.

Second: and this will get me flamed and banned and probably murdered, but I won't feel right unless I say it:

It seems like you're angrier about the ones because you feel a poem about autistic children automatically carries weight or should be automatically exempt from criticism...and this kind of attitude is what gets lousy movies like I Am Sam nominated for awards.

Disabilities and differences are such a touchy subject that it's hard to talk about them. But as much as I agree re: hank_hard_drive type pap here at Lit getting voted down...I think you owe it to yourself to say "I wrote a good poem that got fucked over by someone who writes lame crap, wtf" than "I wrote a poem about autism and who would dare to one a poem about such an important subject, wtf."

The subject and material of your poem doesn't insure it's worth. The words and phrases within it do.

Now, I read the poem, and it's good. I voted. And you do have a legitimate bitch. But saying a poem is more worthwhile or more worthy of the top spot just because of what it's about...no, I don't agree. It's never wrong to speak your mind about how you feel regarding someone's creative effort.

It IS wrong to shoot down someone's hard work and effort merely to promote your own material. I agree with that 100%.

Okay. Don't hate me. Just my $0.02.

 

[Guest]

The complaints about the voting system have been going on - in one way or another - ever since I arrived in these hallowed halls.

Is there nothing to be done about it?

I've said before - the voting system here is a mystery to me. I either give four or five points or I don't vote at all.

Why does one person giving one point bring a poem down in rating? Shouldn't it add yet another point there by boosting it further?

If I am honest I have to say I don't pay much attention to how my poems fare - once they fly they're on their own, but I see how it upsets others in here and really feel it's time something was done.

(My bitch - thank you.)

 

[annaswirls]

math in your every day life

One: This voting anonymous ones thing pisses me off greatly.

I had a poem in the top ten. I was happy. It had a 4.9 rating. I went to bed.

I woke up. It had a 4.68. Three one votes. No feedback. No email. Nothing.

I could be wrong, but unless you had about 20 or so votes,
you might want to check your math before getting too upset.

I dont think it would take three 1 votes to get a 4.9 to a 4.68---
it might even only take a few 3's and a 5 or a few 4's.

Remember all a 4.5 just means as many 4's as 5's,

so if you went to bed with 10 votes and a 4.9 (9 at 5 and 1 at 4)
and got three more 4's, you would be up to lets see 49+12=61/13= 4.68

There you go.

This would not be a case of malicious low voting, just someone giving a poem a 4.


When it goes from a 4.9 to a 4 with ONE freaking vote,
then that would be somethin' else.

I don't think there is anything wrong with 4's.
If someone votes a 4, to me, that is a good thing,
not a great thing, but a good thing. :smile:

Poems in the heat of newness
often come off with a lot of 5's,
which is wonderful,
but in the light of day,
someone will see a poem on the top list and say,
"you know, it is good, but it is not a 5."


This is just how I have seen it.

As far as Autism, goes, do not get me started, please. Just let me say, if a relative of an autistic child wants to bitch, just stand back and let them. And then offer some respite time so they can wash their hair or something. lol

in my most humble opinion as always,
~Anna



What the hell is my problem I am doing freaking math problems. Someone check my IV.

 

[mojo_cat]

Re: math in your every day life

When it goes from a 4.9 to a 4 with ONE freaking vote,
then that would be somethin' else.

As far as Autism, goes, do not get me started, please. Just let me say, if a relative of an autistic child wants to bitch, just stand back and let them. And then offer some respite time so they can wash their hair or something. lol

the thing with a 4.9 to a 4 has happened to me too, in another case; my bitch is with the lack of feedback. i'd like if a system was in place wherein a 1 vote wouldn't be registered unless it was accompanied by feedback. this might scare off the One Cowards.

As for autism: I don't believe I said anything about autism that was negative. Just making a point that a poem isn't sacrosanct because of its subject matter. I wrote a poem about abortion that garnered me a hell of a lot of negative bitchy feedback and several one votes, and I don't feel that was inappropriate due to the subject matter, which was pretty personal for me. I dig free speech, and I dig people's personal struggles, and respect them. Just voicing my opinion, also.

Cheers.

 

[Angeline]

I've said it before and here I go again--votes here are rendered meaningless by people who give a 1 to an excellent piece of writing for reasons that have nothing to do with poetry. That's true. That's it. Get on with your life.

If you're serious about poetry you should study and write--not worry about votes or the list. Doing so is like being a student who works so hard for the grade that he or she forgets that the damn point is learning something.

And I know Eve. She's venting because frankly to lowball a good poem that laments an autistic child is vile. It just is. I'm sure she is well aware that the quality of the poem is the point, but it doesn't make it less heartless. And I'm with Tess--I give 4s and 5s and that's it. To me, anything below that is beyond redeeming, so why bother. I encourage people if I feel they need it and are capable of better--otherwise it's a waste of time.

And I do understand, Eve--but people are such mindless fools much of the time as you know. I once tried to point out to some guy in chat that there is a certain hypocrisy in complaining about a user who "offends" with a nickname that is a play on Jesus, but not seeing a problem with someone else using the name "RichJew." Some people just don't get it. He sure didn't....

 

[Icingsugar]

I've said it before and here I go again--votes here are rendered meaningless by people who give a 1 to an excellent piece of writing for reasons that have nothing to do with poetry. That's true. That's it. Get on with your life.

If you're serious about poetry you should study and write--not worry about votes or the list. Doing so is like being a student who works so hard for the grade that he or she forgets that the damn point is learning something.

I couldn't had said it better. Not even the regulars on this board, where people are truly interrested in poetry, can always agree on what is good or bad poetry. And bear in mind that most readers on Lit are not as savvy. Trolling slammers is a strange phenomena, but it occurs in every aspect of life. Their "opinion", often not anything else than a knee-jerk jerk reflex, only matters if we let them. Laugh at them before they laugh at us.

And I know Eve. She's venting because frankly to lowball a good poem that laments an autistic child is vile. It just is. I'm sure she is well aware that the quality of the poem is the point, but it doesn't make it less heartless.

If i may venture a guess here, it would be that the reader didn't understand what the poem was about. I got the message, you got the message, but there are also a group of readers here that frankly can't grasp any construct or imagery more advanced than a Britney Spears song. Insensitive clods are everywhere. Again, it's your coice to let their ramblings affect you or not.

And I'm with Tess--I give 4s and 5s and that's it. To me, anything below that is beyond redeeming, so why bother. I encourage people if I feel they need it and are capable of better--otherwise it's a waste of time.

Whenever I read a poem (or story), I give it an honest rating. For the system to work, I think that's only fair. Or else I wouldn't vote at all. I can't remember that I ever gave a poem a 1 though.

/Ice

 

[WickedEve]

I don't have time this morning to thoroughly read all the comments, even mojo's. But let me quickly say that a poem on autism is not on a higher, untouchable plateau. Many good and bad poems are shot down on the list. I accept that. The poems of mine that have received ones were not 1 poems. I write 3s, 4s, maybe 5s. I may have slipped in a 2. But no ones. Am I arrogant for saying that? I don't think so. I've worked hard on my poetry and I simply know that I don't write that badly. lol So, 1 me to get to the top. 1 my Prattle with madness. lol But I still feel that when a "oner" is on a rampage that it's still a bit creepy to 1 any poem, especially certain subjects... if the poem is, at least, rather good.

Anyway, mojo, look at the subject of this thread: Bitch. It's my personal bitch, not the gospel. And I respect your opinion.

Yada, yada, yada, gotta go now. Big H time.

 

[annaswirls]

As for autism: I don't believe I said anything about autism that was negative. Just making a point that a poem isn't sacrosanct because of its subject matter. I wrote a poem about abortion that garnered me a hell of a lot of negative bitchy feedback and several one votes, and I don't feel that was inappropriate due to the subject matter, which was pretty personal for me. I dig free speech, and I dig people's personal struggles, and respect them. Just voicing my opinion, also.

Cheers.

Hey Mojo, I know, I know, you are cool, man!

I was more saying it with a grin because of personal experience.

I also agree with the whole personal stuff does not need to be above the troll lol. I think that trolls should be non-discriminating-- troll freely without regard to race, gender, religion and disability lol. I have a dream that someday trolls will walk hand in hand with real poets over mountains of sap and gold.... ha ha

Having said that, I have ready MANY many really really bad
"Dead Grandmother" poems written by 8th graders
and whatt're you gonna say to them? lol

Sorry about the abortion poem-- that is not cool either.

Peace Man,

AnnaGirl

 

[Rybka]

Lit Voting Scale

Well, I guess the new Portal works. My latest "minni-Ha-Ha", A Priestly Procession, went rushing by the normal total of five votes and hit the magic ten with a score of 4.6 before I turned off the computer late last night. This morning it had been "1'ed" to drop it to 4.27, but it does have 160+ views, far more than I normally get in such a short time.

I do vote on many poems. I have given my voting scale before, but here it is again for any newbies.

5 = An excellent poem that I wish I had written.

4 = A good poem, above the average Literotica poem for poets with whose work I am unfamiliar, or better than the average poem written by an author whose work I do know.

3 = An average poem for either Literotica or the person who wrote it. (See #4.)

2 = A below average poem; trite and full of clichés, forced rhymes, etc.

1 = A #2 with spelling, grammatical, and/or syntactical errors.

note: An egregious number of errors may/will lower any rating.

On another topic: I will post "anonymous" PCs on poems by writers whom I do not know if the comment is anything but superlative praise. This is merely to avoid retributive flaming or "1'ing". I will post my honest thoughts to those I know or send them feedback. I am never "personal" by intention in any of my comments.

Pax

 

[mojo_cat]

I don't have time this morning to thoroughly read all the comments, even mojo's.

Anyway, mojo, look at the subject of this thread: Bitch. It's my personal bitch, not the gospel. And I respect your opinion.

Eve: I knew this post would probably end badly for me, and I guess I didn't clearly explain what I was saying well enough.

As for looking at the subject of this thread, yes, thanks, I did. And most of my post was in agreeance with said bitch and I proposed a solution to the one problem which apparently didn't interest anyone. I just wanted to speak my mind about what was said.

A good bitch turns into a general bitchfest, imho, and I was just trying to lend support while being true ot my own beliefs. On a poetry forum, that seemed sorta important

Anyways, I wasn't trying to flame you or cause any shit. Just like the S-man says...to thine own self be true.

sorry to bother you.

 

[Maria2394]

mojo cat,
I think your idea of a required NON anonymous FB for 1 votes is an excellent idea, I just chose not agree right off the bat cause that wouldnt seem like bitchin and I didnt want to ruin th espirit of Eves thread

ps, Eve, while you are at the big H, I have you in my thoughts and only pray that you arent having your fabulous poetry gene altered

 

[WickedEve]

Eve: I knew this post would probably end badly for me, and I guess I didn't clearly explain what I was saying well enough.

As for looking at the subject of this thread, yes, thanks, I did. And most of my post was in agreeance with said bitch and I proposed a solution to the one problem which apparently didn't interest anyone. I just wanted to speak my mind about what was said.

A good bitch turns into a general bitchfest, imho, and I was just trying to lend support while being true ot my own beliefs. On a poetry forum, that seemed sorta important

Anyways, I wasn't trying to flame you or cause any shit. Just like the S-man says...to thine own self be true.

sorry to bother you.

I like all the bitchin' going on because of my bitch. This is actually an interesting discussion. Many poets say they write from the heart and they believe that's enough to make a good poem. Of course, it's not. If I write a freakin' "I had a Cardiolite stress test" poem, it could possibly suck but I'm sure many will still say, "Oh jeez, are you doing okay? Uhhh... good poem. Never thought of rhyming cardiolite with overbite." By the way, no overbite involved, and so far it appears that I may just be a stressed out hypochondriac who complained that the treadmill was moving too slowly.

 

[Angeline]

I like all the bitchin' going on because of my bitch. This is actually an interesting discussion. Many poets say they write from the heart and they believe that's enough to make a good poem. Of course, it's not. If I write a freakin' "I had a Cardiolite stress test" poem, it could possibly suck but I'm sure many will still say, "Oh jeez, are you doing okay? Uhhh... good poem. Never thought of rhyming cardiolite with overbite." By the way, no overbite involved, and so far it appears that I may just be a stressed out hypochondriac who complained that the treadmill was moving too slowly.

baby!
everything is alright!
uptight!
Cardolite!

baby!
I got an overbite!
dendrite!
outtasite!


kinda sings, i think. (i've been into lyrics lately--can you tell?)

 

[WickedEve]

baby!
everything is alright!
uptight!
Cardolite!

baby!
I got an overbite!
dendrite!
outtasite!


kinda sings, i think. (i've been into lyrics lately--can you tell?)

Do you have a poem about hernias? I have to see a surgeon about a possible hernia, tomorrow.
Remember the whole "I sneezed and hurt something" from a couple of months back? lol