Bigotry.

Joe Wordsworth

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Bigotry is based on being or acting like a bigot, which is entirely based on prejudice.. And I wonder, when we weigh what we know--not just think--is true; and when we consider whom we bad-mouth and when we do it; and when we put ourselves in the superior position (ethically, intellectually, creatively, what have you)...

...I wonder if anyone is engaging in bigotry in this place? Bigotry certainly isn't limited to hating black people or gay people or non-Christians--the term is a general categorical one, not specific at all. But, none of us could possibly be a bigot--its such an ugly word.

Then again, I wonder how many bigots think that they are just that?
 
yeah, well....

not too many folks are gonna own up publicly to being a bigot. and yes, some are and are either in denial of or unaware that their view of the world is prejudiced. sometimes its an instance of what is the norm in one area, ain't in another. frankly, its not often that a true bigot is open to 'enlightenment' as that headspace gets firmly entrenched early on. mostly i think we each suffer some bias, of which some is based on personal experience. say we've had a bad experience(s) that then colors our perception henceforth of whoever. hell...its a matter of degree like anything else to do with being human. i've never been one to support an either/or mentality for human interaction. its all shades of gray. i guess it really depends how loud a voice you express that bias in and what if any impact it has on the object of your prejudice.
my 2 cents worth in the middle of my night.
:rose:
 
I'm unrepentently bigoted against assholes. I do not hide that fact.

When someone demonstrates by their actions to be against empathy, exudes the type of smug sadism that so characaturizes bullies, or otherwise proves to be a fuck, the part of my brain that hates kicks in wicked fierce. Furthermore I show signs of prejudice against assholes. When someone shows one assholic trait, I assume the worst about them and will often jump to the chase before full evidence is given. Furthermore, I have a low opinion of asshole's socially and believe them to be inferior pieces of humanity. This is not the same as feeling a superiority to them, but has similarities. In further proof I extrapolate views on them in wide capacities based on incomplete information, a sure sign of bigotry in cases of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc...

So, all in all, I can say that as derogatory a term as that is and as socially unacceptable it is to announce, I have to say that I am a bigot.




Furthermore, I believe that those of us unwilling to consider at every moment of their lives whether they might be the villains of their life's drama are hindering their personal growth. If you are unwilling to say, Am I evil to be taking pleasure in this? or Do I truly deserve X as much as person Y? or Would I go to the Good Place or the Bad Place if eternal justice was absolute? then you're lying to yourself and preventing yourself from fixing grievous errors in judgment. I have played the villain before in my life for not noticing signs, making bad choices, or simply by losing bringing about the most happiness (being privy to the other side's exultations and the heartfelt congratulations of their friends to your defeat paints an interesting picture of what it means to "win" and "lose"). I have dealt with all consequences good and bad for it and in great part due to the example of my greatest friend and role model, I have tried to do more good than harm in my imperfect life and try and take the unjust flak for the benefit of others. Whether I succeed is up in the air. Whether I prove to be good or not as well and that path requires me to be honest about my sins. If I am not, then I can not say with a straight face that I have tried to keep his ideals alive. I'm instead just a smug little sanctimonious prick no different than the assholes and sadists I despise.
 
I am seriously intolerant of intolerance. :rolleyes: In other words, my prejudices are the *right* prejudices. Oh, wait! I sound just like *them* - don't I? Imagine that!

:heart:
 
No-one can know everything about everything, therefore on some subjects people are going to be underinformed and use prejudices, preconceptions and stereotypes to fill in their gaps. It's a human thing to do.

The true bigot is the person who, upon learning that he has a hole in his knowledge, does not look to fill it and continues using the incorrect stop-gap that he was using before.

A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't stop talking about it.
Winston Churchill saying what I mean

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
No-one can know everything about everything, therefore on some subjects people are going to be underinformed and use prejudices, preconceptions and stereotypes to fill in their gaps. It's a human thing to do.

The true bigot is the person who, upon learning that he has a hole in his knowledge, does not look to fill it and continues using the incorrect stop-gap that he was using before.

A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't stop talking about it.
Winston Churchill saying what I mean





The Earl


Running away... I'm scared



GOOSIEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
TheEarl said:
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The Earl

I normally run from these types of threads.. minsue is my guide :)

I love roast goose

:p

Edit:EEp that came out wrong.... I mean she's my saviour and the alpaca has some good recipes :(
 
I do not classify myself as a bigot. However, I do admit I have a thing against the Internal Revenue Service. This last is not prejudice, it is from long term observation.

The IRS stinks!
 
TheEarl said:
No-one can know everything about everything, therefore on some subjects people are going to be underinformed and use prejudices, preconceptions and stereotypes to fill in their gaps. It's a human thing to do.

The true bigot is the person who, upon learning that he has a hole in his knowledge, does not look to fill it and continues using the incorrect stop-gap that he was using before.

A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't stop talking about it.
Winston Churchill saying what I mean

The Earl


Earl mate -you totally make sense there. I don't think I can add much to that meself!
 
I have a deep-rooted bigotry, which I cannot/will not state here. I know its cause and yet at times (not often) I cannot help show/express it. Other prejudices I am judicious in expressing, but I honestly do not think I have unknown ones.

Perdita
 
There is a difference when you know your bigotry. Does having your worst fears confirmed mean that you are no longer a bigot or that you never were?

I'd have to say that a definition of bigotry would have to include proselytising and would have to be about groups rather than individuals.

If we are merely egotistic, are we not then complete and utter bigots?

Disliking one person with little information wouldn't, in my view, make a bigot. Disliking every other person of that group/sect/race for that very same reason is, to me, merely ignorance. I've been ignorant on a great many occasions.

Going on definition, except for a very few individuals, a great many people in authority wouldn't be where they are or have been without, by definition, being bigoted and being able to apply it to their trade.

Perhaps you can fool all of the people some of the time and maybe you can fool some of the people all of the time, but to do either of those you must beleive that they are inferior to yourself at least in some small way. Bigotry, no?
 
Bridget69 said:
I'm only a bigot against stupid, ignorant people.
Bridget, I think I understand what you mean, but it does not sound fair. No one is not ignorant about everything, and I don't see how one could be ignorant of everything (unless they were just born). I'm not trying to be difficult but as to the intent of the thread I don't see the purpose of using the term 'bigot' for subjective aspects one does not care to tolerate about some people.

Perdita
 
This was what I meant to say, but i was tired:

Quote of the Day: "Some people just seem to have an off-switch in their ears which prevents them from hearing anything that could affect their prejudices." -- The Earl.


To me, this is an excellent definition for bigotry. (And the difference between predjudice and bigotry) Thanks Earl.
 
doormouse said:
I normally run from these types of threads.. minsue is my guide :)

I love roast goose

:p

Edit:EEp that came out wrong.... I mean she's my saviour and the alpaca has some good recipes :(

Ummm thanks? ;)



Joe, we all have our prejudices and I dare say everyone is a bigot in one way or another. The only help for it is to recognize it in yourself and to decide whether or not to try to fight it.
 
Sometimes, our opinions just get tainted. For example, everyone I've met from Truro, Nova Scotia suggests that it is a just one immense trailer park. It would take a lot to convince me otherwise. I've only met half a dozen people from there but they left a strong impression.

Seriously though, bigotry and ignorance are synonamous.
 
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell



Hey, I just read that.

It's funny because it's true. :cool:
 
nushu2 said:
Seriously though, bigotry and ignorance are synonamous.

I disagree. While ignorance can indeed spawn a bias, I believe true bigotry occurs when ignorance is replaced with knowledge and the prejudice remains.
 
Edward Teach said:
:D :cool:

Yeah, I'm a bigot.

Ed

Yes, but as long as you have the AV, I cannot help but forgive you anything.

Damnit.

Does your bigotry involve equines? Just trying to work out how much of a distance I need to keep from that saber and musket.

Shanglan
 
impressive said:
I disagree. While ignorance can indeed spawn a bias, I believe true bigotry occurs when ignorance is replaced with knowledge and the prejudice remains.

Agreed. Very well said, Impressive.

Lack of knowledge, ignorance, is often curable. Willful stupidity, bigotry, is usually terminal.

Luck to all,

Yui
 
Aside

Did you know that 'BIGOT' was the identifier for those who were significantly involved in the planning for D-Day Normandy in 1944?

They had to be protected from capture. Three were killed during the rehearsal landing at Slapton Sands in Devon when US landing craft were attacked by German E-boats. An intensive search had to be made for their bodies and autopsies performed to ensure that they hadn't been able to talk to the enemy.

If even one BIGOT had been captured by the Germans, D-Day might have had to be postponed until Spring 1945.

Og
 
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