Biden's America: Ford to offshore $900M plant investment from Ohio to Mexico

[Counselor706]

In a letter to Ohio Assembly Plant (OHAP) employees in Avon Lake, where Ford employs about 1,740 workers manufacturing its F-650 and F-750 medium duty trucks, UAW official Gerald Kariem said Ford had committed to investing $900 million in the project in 2019.

These contractual commitments were an enormous win for the UAW, for the great state of Ohio, the community of Avon Lake, and most importantly the members of Local 2000,” Kariem wrote.

Now, though, the UAW official says Ford executives are backing out of the deal and plan to move the investment to Mexico [emphasis added]:

"Unfortunately, Ford Motor Company has decided it will not honor its promise to add a new product to OHAP and, instead, it intends to build the next-generation vehicle in Mexico. Ford management expects us to just hang our heads and accept the decision. But let me be clear, we are making a different choice.*We 100 percent reject the company’s decision to put corporate greed and more potential profits over American jobs and the future of our members. We expect the company to honor its contractual commitments to this membership and when it fails to do so we will take action." [Emphasis added]

Source

 

[missyunderstanding]

Who cares about all those jobs?

True, Biden is doing what the DNC wants. And under the table he has been getting rich doing it just like they all have been. But what do you care? Who cares if auto workers don't have work any more? Like the guys that mine coal for a living, the auto workers can learn how to be computer programmers. Besides, with all the solar and wind energy jobs nobody needs to worry about unemployment anymore.

Also, the Federal government can just print all the money we need, or borrow it from China. Either way, these are all good policies and they pave the way for a golden future. Just imagine a world where nobody has to work or do anything! We could all just lay around and smoke dope and get free money from the government.

And with the boarders down we can get street drugs at cheaper prices. The future looks bright.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Okay Miles, let's assume Ford not honoring some previous commitment is a problem.

What do you propose as a solution? Is there one?

Ford likely cannot compete on a wage-basis with unionized Ohio workers vs. non-unioned Mexican labor and continue to make the profit margins that Wall Street expects.

 

[Emerson40]

Yeah, Ford’s troubles began long before Trump or Biden.

Besides making uninspiring vehicles that are kind of ‘meh’, when compared to their Japanese and European competitors, they have painted themselves into a financial corner with their negotiated union contracts.

When you look at what it costs Ford per worker vs what it costs Toyota (in their US plants), there is a significant difference. It’s not an hourly wage thing, but all the extras (extra costs) built into the agreements, such as the pension plans.

 

[jomar]

Yeah, Ford’s troubles began long before Trump or Biden.

Besides making uninspiring vehicles that are kind of ‘meh’, when compared to their Japanese and European competitors, they have painted themselves into a financial corner with their negotiated union contracts.

When you look at what it costs Ford per worker vs what it costs Toyota (in their US plants), there is a significant difference. It’s not an hourly wage thing, but all the extras (extra costs) built into the agreements, such as the pension plans.

That rings a bell...

Seems there was a piece on this years ago, where they've got highly paid pension guys coming to work but sitting in a room watching tv all day doing nothing...because of negotiated contracts.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Source

The USMCA at work - Thanks Tricky Trump!

 

[phrodeau]

Do UAW members know how to make electric vehicles?

 

[AlexBailey]

Imagine what it would mean to the U.S. if central and South American economies do well.

Not nearly as many people would be wanting to immigrate.

 

[missyunderstanding]

The reason we want electric vehicles is????

Do UAW members know how to make electric vehicles?

What is the TOTAL carbon footprint of an electric car compared to well designed car that runs on petroleum? Not just the pollution at point of use but the whole tally.

 

[cheesehead2]

Do UAW members know how to make electric vehicles?

You know anything about them? Could you explain the inner workings?

 

[phrodeau]

What is the TOTAL carbon footprint of an electric car compared to well designed car that runs on petroleum? Not just the pollution at point of use but the whole tally.

What’s the carbon footprint for making a gas-powered car, and why would the footprint for making an electric car be any bigger?

 

[phrodeau]

You know anything about them? Could you explain the inner workings?

A button on the steering column operates a switch that closes a circuit, to send electric current to an electromagnetic coil, which causes a sealed membrane connected to a coiled tube with a fluted end, to vibrate at a frequency and level clearly audible to pedestrians and drivers of other vehicles.

Anything else you want to know?

 

[cheesehead2]

A button on the steering column operates a switch that closes a circuit, to send electric current to an electromagnetic coil, which causes a sealed membrane connected to a coiled tube with a fluted end, to vibrate at a frequency and level clearly audible to pedestrians and drivers of other vehicles.

Anything else you want to know?

Yes. Please explain in detail how all those parts are made and wired together to make all this happen . Like the last part. I take it a steam whistle is not required option perhaps.

 

[icanhelp1]

Yes. Please explain in detail how all those parts are made and wired together to make all this happen . Like the last part. I take it a steam whistle is not required option perhaps.

You eliminate your carbon footprint by pedaling really really fast, that’s what Fred and Wilma do!

 

[phrodeau]

Yes. Please explain in detail how all those parts are made and wired together to make all this happen . Like the last part. I take it a steam whistle is not required option perhaps.

Go find out if a UAW member knows the answer.

 

[sighLent]

UAW endorsed *Biden

Hope all lose their jobs

Just like the pipeworkers

 

[cheesehead2]

Go find out if a UAW member knows the answer.

Good google search by the way. I believe if you do a search on the UAW worker and electric cars you might find GM has a program in place to know those answers. Might be something for you to look into.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What is the TOTAL carbon footprint of an electric car compared to well designed car that runs on petroleum? Not just the pollution at point of use but the whole tally.

Seriously, if you are going to post, at least have the intelligence to use the correct terms.

The one you are looking for is the life cycle environment costs, not Total carbon.

 

[icanhelp1]

Seriously, if you are going to post, at least have the intelligence to use the correct terms.

The one you are looking for is the life cycle environment costs, not Total carbon.

I think Missyunderstanding was referring to this study but didn't want to embarrass you:

https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publications/TE - draft report v04.pdf

 

[BoyNextDoor]

What is the TOTAL carbon footprint of an electric car compared to well designed car that runs on petroleum? Not just the pollution at point of use but the whole tally.

Here, in response to recent misleading media reports on the topic, Carbon Brief provides a detailed look at the climate impacts of EVs. In this analysis, Carbon Brief finds:

EVs are responsible for considerably lower emissions over their lifetime than conventional (internal combustion engine) vehicles across Europe as a whole.
In countries with coal-intensive electricity generation, the benefits of EVs are smaller and they can have similar lifetime emissions to the most efficient conventional vehicles – such as hybrid-electric models.
However, as countries decarbonise electricity generation to meet their climate targets, driving emissions will fall for existing EVs and manufacturing emissions will fall for new EVs.

In the UK in 2019, the lifetime emissions per kilometre of driving a Nissan Leaf EV were about three times lower than for the average conventional car, even before accounting for the falling carbon intensity of electricity generation during the car’s lifetime.

Comparisons between electric vehicles and conventional vehicles are complex. They depend on the size of the vehicles, the accuracy of the fuel-economy estimates used, how electricity emissions are calculated, what driving patterns are assumed, and even the weather in regions where the vehicles are used. There is no single estimate that applies everywhere.

You're welcome.

 

[AlexBailey]

A big part of the carbon footprint calculation for EVs is the source of the charging electricity. You can power an EV from a residential solar power system. One Kilowatthour can provide 3 miles of driving. A 500 square foot solar array (5kw) can provide 25 kWh/ day = 75 miles/day. The lifetime costs of which can be less than $.05/mile.

The cost of the solar array will be cheaper in the long run than gas, and depending on where you live it may be cheaper than grid electricity.

 

[KeithD]

Who obtained these reneged commitments from Ford? No one else is responsible for that. Source citation please. It's not in the OP article. Neither Biden nor "Biden's America" are mentioned in the article. This is just a typical misleading claim by the OP, right? Nothing new about that.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I think Missyunderstanding was referring to this study but didn't want to embarrass you:

https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publications/TE - draft report v04.pdf

So are you implying she never read past the title of said article?

Looking in her post, I do not see a link to said article.

I stand by my post, if you do not want to look like an idiot, then use the correct terms. The article is titled Life Cycle Analysis, is it not?

Did I not use the term which is Life Cycle Environmental Cost, and is that not an alternative term to the study?

Do you ever read a post before attacking it? I do realise you lose most every debate on here you engage in, and on this point you also came out behind.