Bernie Sanders' 12-point economic program, beyotches!

[KingOrfeo]

Story here.

- Invest in our crumbling infrastructure with a major program to create jobs by rebuilding roads, bridges, water systems, waste water plants, airports, railroads and schools.

– Transform energy systems away from fossil fuels to create jobs while beginning to reverse global warming and make the planet habitable for future generations.

– Develop new economic models to support workers in the United States instead of giving tax breaks to corporations which ship jobs to low-wage countries overseas.

– Make it easier for workers to join unions and bargain for higher wages and benefits.

– Raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour so no one who works 40 hours a week will live in poverty.

– Provide equal pay for women workers who now make 78 percent of what male counterparts make.

– Reform trade policies that have shuttered more than 60,000 factories and cost more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs.

– Make college affordable and provide affordable child care to restore America’s competitive edge compared to other nations.

– Break up big banks. The six largest banks now have assets equivalent to 61 percent of our gross domestic product, over $9.8 trillion. They underwrite more than half the mortgages in the country and issue more than two-thirds of all credit cards.

– Join the rest of the industrialized world with a Medicare-for-all health care system that provides better care at less cost.

– Expand Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nutrition programs.

– Reform the tax code based on wage earners’ ability to pay and eliminate loopholes that let profitable corporations stash profits overseas and pay no U.S. federal income taxes.

Pretty weak tea coming from a self-ID'd "socialist," actually. Still:

There is a little something in the Sanders agenda for oligarchs of all stripes to hate. Wall Street hates the idea of breaking up the big banks. The conservative billionaires and millionaires use avoiding paying their fair share of taxes as the motivation for their political activities. A Medicare for all system would put the for-profit insurance companies out of business while challenging the Big Pharma’s practice of overpricing their drugs in the United States. The thought of a large green energy sector terrifies Big Oil. Republicans oppose equal pay, raising the minimum wage, and any public project that might create jobs.

This is the direction the Democratic Party should take if it wants to win. The people want a chance to really vote against the plutocracy.

 

[unregistered]

 

[KingOrfeo]

The old admitted Socialist is just as full of shit as Lenin was. Americans do not want to trade their liberty for the harness collar and plow lines of the socialist mule. The last election put old Bernie in the back of the bus.

Somehow, none of those 12 points evoke the image of "harness collar and plow lines" in any way. (The conditions many working Americans now live under do, however.)

 

[Busybody]

<|Makes no sense

- Invest in our crumbling infrastructure with a major program to create jobs by rebuilding roads, bridges, water systems, waste water plants, airports, railroads and schools.....Invest means RAISE TAXES....this shit been done for generations and it doesn't work, even HUSSEIN OBOLA says so

– Transform energy systems away from fossil fuels to create jobs while beginning to reverse global warming and make the planet habitable for future generations.......Obola tried that, they all went BUST....the ONLY good jobs are oil/gas jobs.....GW is BS!

– Develop new economic models to support workers in the United States instead of giving tax breaks to corporations which ship jobs to low-wage countries overseas.......That means we all pay MORE for our stuff and that means our standard of living goes down

– Make it easier for workers to join unions and bargain for higher wages and benefits........When given a choice, workers don't want a UNION

– Raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour so no one who works 40 hours a week will live in poverty.

– Provide equal pay for women workers who now make 78 percent of what male counterparts make. .......Has been proven a LIE

– Reform trade policies that have shuttered more than 60,000 factories and cost more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs. ......Will raise prices at home and lower standard of living

– Make college affordable and provide affordable child care to restore America’s competitive edge compared to other nations......Yes, lets not pay CUNT CLINTON $300 k per speech, lower costs

– Break up big banks. The six largest banks now have assets equivalent to 61 percent of our gross domestic product, over $9.8 trillion. They underwrite more than half the mortgages in the country and issue more than two-thirds of all credit cards.

– Join the rest of the industrialized world with a Medicare-for-all health care system that provides better care at less cost.......Doesn't work anywhere....WHO PAYS?

– Expand Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nutrition programs.

– Reform the tax code based on wage earners’ ability to pay and eliminate loopholes that let profitable corporations stash profits overseas and pay no U.S. federal income taxes. ....Lets collect taxes owed by Sharpton and Buffet

 

[unregistered]

 

[cowslinger64]

Bernie is an admitted Socialist. His ideas, like Obama's, are expensive. Too expensive.

You and Obama lost the election. Elections have consequences...remember how you used to tell us that? The 3700 new regulations Obama just released to impose his failed agenda, on top of the tens of thousands of other regs designed to defeat our free market and make collectivism work, will never be enough.

There will be thousands upon thousands more heaped on the civil society as government master minds like Sanders and Obama strive to shore up the failure of Leviathan with ideas and bureaucratic structure that smother liberty and free enterprise. Productive voting Americans are rejecting big government, they are rejecting liberalism in general.

Then why did the gop deliberately obstruct the President in every way possible? Shouldn't they have even given a glimpse that they were trying to work with him?

People are stupid.. that's why this last bit of election went like it did. Typical knee jerk reaction from the ignorant masses...

Once again... you fail.

 

[Busybody]

Bernie is an admitted Socialist. His ideas, like Obama's, are expensive. Too expensive.

.

have been shown worldwide NOT TO WORK

 

[KingOrfeo]

Bernie is an admitted Socialist. His ideas, like Obama's, are expensive. Too expensive.

[shrug] They ain't in Europe or Canada.

You and Obama lost the election.

And this is how to win the next one.

. . . on top of the tens of thousands of other regs designed to defeat our free market and make collectivism work . . .

Now you're just hallucinating.

. . . government master minds like Sanders and Obama . . .

You're not seriously classing those two together, are you?

Productive voting Americans are rejecting big government, they are rejecting liberalism in general.

That could only be true if the Dems actually represented liberalism.

 

[contrifan32]

This[/b] is the direction the Democratic Party should take if it wants to win. The people want a chance to really vote against the plutocracy.

Could Bernie be more general with his economic "plan"? He is a washed up old socialist who can only be elected in a state like Vermont... where they don't take politics or politicians seriously.

 

[unregistered]

 

[KingOrfeo]

Your kind of "liberalism" is repugnant too the Constitution and to the majority of Americans.

Social democracy ain't.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Could Bernie be more general with his economic "plan"?

Eh? Wasn't it specific enough?

 

[contrifan32]

Eh? Wasn't it specific enough?

gotta run but will be back to be more specific... unlike Bernie

 

[unregistered]

 

[unregistered]

 

[KingOrfeo]

European Socialism, under any name, is repugnant to the constitution and the American majority.

I think you'd be surprised as to the people -- they might not like the word "socialism" nor recognize the phrase "social democracy," but a majority probably will go for any specific element of the latter that the pollster mentions. Look down Sanders' list -- how many of his proposals do you really think would fail that test?

As for the Constitution, cite the case.

 

[possum123]

This looked interesting.

The six largest banks now have assets equivalent to 61 percent of our gross domestic product, over $9.8 trillion. They underwrite more than half the mortgages in the country and issue more than two-thirds of all credit cards.

How much does the U.S. owe?

 

[pointless]

i like how vette keeps saying admitted socialist like that's something no one knows and which is also somehow shameful. man, that cold war propaganda really worked. hooray for government sponsored manipulation!

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Then why did the gop deliberately obstruct the President in every way possible? Shouldn't they have even given a glimpse that they were trying to work with him?

People are stupid.. that's why this last bit of election went like it did. Typical knee jerk reaction from the ignorant masses...

Once again... you fail.

The President didn't want to compromise on any legislation. It was either his way or nothing. Why do you think Harry Reid blocked over a hundred pieces of legislation?

I do agree that the big banks should be broken up. I'd go even further and not bail them out if they fail. The illiquid assets should have been flushed from the system and the good parts should have been sold. Bailing them out last time made the banks even larger.

 

[unregistered]

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Constitution, nor the people who wrote it, contemplated omnipresent government.

"Contemplate," "contemplate," c'mon, what does it forbid?

More specifically, which of Sanders' 12 planks do you think the SCOTUS would block on constitutional grounds, and why?

 

[KingOrfeo]

I think you'd be surprised as to the people -- they might not like the word "socialism" nor recognize the phrase "social democracy," but a majority probably will go for any specific element of the latter that the pollster mentions. Look down Sanders' list -- how many of his proposals do you really think would fail that test?

I repeat.

 

[DiskoTroop]

I never cease to be amazed by the number of folks who think they know the intent of the Founders but in reality are just espousing a version of the past that best suits their present day worldview

 

[KingOrfeo]

I never cease to be amazed by the number of folks who think they know the intent of the Founders but in reality are just espousing a version of the past that best suits their present day worldview

To be fair, the Founders certainly did not contemplate socialism or social democracy -- because, in 1789, no such things had been conceived (and, at the time, republican government on a large scale was a radical enough innovation all by itself). Likewise, they did not contemplate the federal-built Interstate Highway System, and a lot of other innovations that have never been held unconstitutional and are not now controversial except among wingnuts.

 

[unregistered]