bdsm in iraq prisons

[thickspear]

i've been watching the news about the abuse heaped on prisoners in iraq......some of the abuse seems consistent with descriptions and photos seen here on literotica...

edited to ratchet down knee jerk reactions

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Let's see if i can be as diplomatic about this as possible.

i could be dismissive and say, "this tripe belongs in the general board where free speech without intelligence, much like assine opinions, runs rampant."

i could get on a soap box and defend the majority of the actions taken by the interrogators up to this point, but that would require an understanding concerning actions required and allowed under the Geneva Convention and UCMJ.

i think, however, i'll try to be polite, so let's get down to the meat of the matter, shall we?

• BDSM, practiced in whatever form, by most of the lurkers in this forum requires consent.
• Those on the receiving end don't consider themselves abused.
• The props/tools you've mentioned, do have a common purpose in both realms, and that quite simply is to get inside the head of the receiver.

Feel free to look in the library, at the top of this forum. You might find more answers to any other questions you may have.

 

[Phoenix Stone]

Gee AA, I was just gonna be uncharacteristically succinct and say,

'ick.'

(The doms around here are just so much more diplomatic than some of us subs -- could give folks the wrong idea.)

 

[Netzach]

congratulations to AA for getting within a ten foot pole radius of this turd of a comparison and not getting stinky.

You're a better man than I.

 

[wolf2002]

AA words it well, but personally I don;t see a need to be diplomatic... this kind of posts turns my stomach... I find it a repulsive thought to compare torturing helpless prisoners with BDSM... it's these things that give the lifestyle a bad name...

 

[MissTaken]

i've been watching the news about the abuse heaped on prisoners in iraq......some of the abuse seems consistent with descriptions and photos seen here on literotica...

the pictures and descriptions at lit cannot depict the key difference between abuse and BDSM. MOST of us practice SSC...safe sane and consensual. How do you photograph that?



i wonder if it would make any of those abused feel better to know some people are willing to pay a lot of money to have those things done to them...

This comment turned my stomach.
Whether serious or flippant, it makes light of a horrific situation for individuals who have been mistreated.

handcuffs, leashes, stripped naked, photgraphed in simulated gay sex positions..set upon by guard dogs, hooded...etc etc..

any thoughts ?

My thoughts....

AA, I won't move the thread to the General Board as it would probably end up back here.

As for the rest of my thoughts, I do find this post in bad taste. I find it offensive to me as someone who does practice BDSM and offensive to the iraqui prisoners.

 

[littleg~rl]

Im shocked by this persons coments.

I agree with the thoughts of MissTaken "I find it offensive to me as someone who does practice BDSM and offensive to the iraqui prisoners."

I couln't agree more, and shame on you and the offenders.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Anyone who reads the GB should already know what a dick this guy is.

But if you don't... now you know.

And I am not diplomatic or tactful when it comes to dicks like him.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Anyone who reads the GB should already know what a dick this guy is.

But if you don't... now you know.

And I am not diplomatic or tactful when it comes to dicks like him.

ADR, this last line definately needed to come with a warning!! I nearly lost the last of my Diet Coke.

Catalina

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Anyone who reads the GB ...

Actually, i went back and read almost all of the 200+ posts by this individual because i wanted to make sure my response hadn't been a knee-jerk reaction. He spends a lot of time in GLBT/Cafe, the BDSM Cafe, How To, and only a smattering in the GB.

Now, based on what i've read/skimmed, i really don't understand from where this question came.

 

[A Desert Rose]

ADR, this last line definately needed to come with a warning!! I nearly lost the last of my Diet Coke.

Catalina

Sorry... LOL.

But you know, it's true where I'm concerned.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Wicked Grin

Sorry... LOL.

But you know, it's true where I'm concerned.

What is true?

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Wicked Grin

What is true?

I'm not diplomatic or tactful when it comes to dicks... ?

 

[AvaAdore]

AA words it well, but personally I don;t see a need to be diplomatic... this kind of posts turns my stomach... I find it a repulsive thought to compare torturing helpless prisoners with BDSM... it's these things that give the lifestyle a bad name...

yes.

they are two completely different contexts. BDSM is done with care and respect for the other person.

prison torture is NOT BDSM, no matter how similar some of the acts may be.

 

[shy slave]

When saying the handle 'thickspear' is the emphasis on 'thick??'

Just my non~sex thought for the day


shy slave

 

[thickspear]

well...my post elicited responses contrary to my intent....my post was an observation not an accusation...it's ok to take exception but i would venture to suppose i'm not the only person to wonder at the juxtaposition of the images seen around the world....

of course i understand the difference between the acts of prison guards and consenting acts between adults....

 

[A Desert Rose]

I still get the feeling that you think bdsm between consenting adults is some form of abuse.

We have a library... read it.

 

[Phoenix Stone]

well...my post elicited responses contrary to my intent....my post was an observation not an accusation...it's ok to take exception but i would venture to suppose i'm not the only person to wonder at the juxtaposition of the images seen around the world....

of course i understand the difference between the acts of prison guards and consenting acts between adults....

And if you read about a regular-prison, male gang-rape, would you say on the GLBT board
that some of what you saw in the pictures seemed "consistent with descriptions and photos seen here on literotica..." and all the rest that you edited out? Hmmmm?

Consent/Non-Consent
Consent/Non-Consent

Just keep repeating it to yourself. YOu'll get it.

Ps. For what you are looking for, you need to go to a non-consent board. There isn't one on Literotica. There used to be one called rapedungeon.com. Don't think it's still around but you could try a websearch for other Non-Consent forums. Ok?

Pps. Not sure what sort of reaction you Thought you were going to elicit, or what you were getting at here, as, for one thing, you made statements rather than asked questions.
There are very few of us here with non-consent interests, and of those few, unlikely to find any who are thinking, what? 'oh, those lucky devils -- wish it was me'?
Most people have a pretty good grasp on the difference between fantasy and reality.

 

[MissTaken]

well...my post elicited responses contrary to my intent....my post was an observation not an accusation...it's ok to take exception but i would venture to suppose i'm not the only person to wonder at the juxtaposition of the images seen around the world....

of course i understand the difference between the acts of prison guards and consenting acts between adults....

So, what was your intent?

Perhaps worded differently, with more tact, there is a discussion to be salvaged here.

If your intent was to compare abuse to BDSM, that has been covered here and elsewhere. Consent is the key factor.

 

[MissTaken]

i've been watching the news about the abuse heaped on prisoners in iraq......some of the abuse seems consistent with descriptions and photos seen here on literotica...

edited to ratchet down knee jerk reactions

Thank you for editing the post, but understand, my own post was not a knee jerk reaction by any stretch.

 

[littleg~rl]

Fancy any of your family members being taken in the night thickspear maybe your mom, dad, wife, brother or child and having the acts below carried out? I think you would then clearly know where the line is and that the two are not conected.

"etween October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees. This systemic and illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated by several members of the military police guard force. … The allegations of abuse were substantiated by detailed witness statements (ANNEX 26) and the discovery of extremely graphic photographic evidence. … I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel included the following acts:

a. Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;

b. Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;

c. Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;

d. Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;

e. Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's underwear;

f. Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

g. Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

h. Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture; …

j. Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee's neck and having a female soldier pose for a picture;

k. A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;

l. Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee …

These findings are amply supported by written confessions provided by several of the suspects, written statements provided by detainees, and witness statements. …

In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses (ANNEX 26):

a. Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;

b. Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

c. Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

d. Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;

e. Threatening male detainees with rape; …

g. Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick."

 

[littleg~rl]

Oooops reposted it sorry

Stephanie

 

[littleg~rl]

Ooops again

 

[yaspis]

Damn it, the first time a Gecko browser goes bust on me, and someone comes up with a hilarious, horrible idea.

I'm glad that others who have replied to this topic have made the difference between BDSM play and the events in Iraq clear.

 

[Pure]

OK, the nature and difference of "BDSM play" is obvious, in the consent area.

Let's rephrase a little:
We know Nazi and SS prison/jail/torture scenes have provided fodder for many SM fantasies in the last 50 years (that did not result in criminal behavior). And even for some consensual enactments (scenes) in appropriate constume. Might Iraqi prison events provide similar fodder in times to come? How despicable(or sick) should one feel if, for example, the *idea* of being taken on a leash by a female soldier, is arousing? (please note the word, 'idea'). Same for the idea of broomhandle violation?