BB: A comment about one of your siggy pics....

[Karen Kraft]

.... this one:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hntojuBOgo0/S0_zskp2PuI/AAAAAAAAJWY/SbsmRp_RkwY/s1600/obama%2Bchamberlain.jpg

The comparison is unfair.

Chamberlain was a fool, easily conned by AH. In his heart, I suspect he honestly thought he was doing good. It is only history that shows us just how wrong he was.

Obama knows exactly what he is doing. He is following (among other things) the Rules for Radicals (S. Alinsky - 1971), in a concerted effort with others to take down what they consider to be the evils of a capitalist system in the United States. Promote fear, mistrust, destroy confidence, create dependency, etc., but most importantly, the populations must be polarized before synthesis can occur. Blah blah blah.

Those of us who have been over this time and time again note, with great boredom:

The thirteenth rule of radical tactics:
Pick the target, freeze it,
personalize it,
and polarize it.​

Neville Chamberlain was grossly misguided (in hindsight), while Obama is 100% clear and aware of what he is doing. Where Chamberlain was a patriot who, as PM of UK, made horrid mistakes, Obama and his traitors are a national infestation... a cancer attempting to infect and eventually destroy the body and soul that is America. The attack America suffered at the inauguration of this public menace will prove to be far greater than that suffered on September 11, 2001.

One day the enemy is Wall Street, then corporations in general, then the banks, etc... Then those who oppose ObamaCare, or the Tea-baggers. Scorn them. Ridicule them, Isolate them. Create maximum polarization. The idea is to create as much polarization of the people as possible. Create maximum anger and rage. Do nasty crap behind close doors. Bribe people, cut special deals -- the goal is not merely the deals, but the anger and rage created by their publicity. Only after the nation is completely polarized can socialist synthesis properly occur.

 

[Killswitch]

Porn board.

Remember?

 

[busybody..]

Read The Whole Thing

wanna read something that shows you are correct.......that he indeed knows what he is doing, and doing it anyway to our detriment?

READ!

Today is the official publication date of Courting Disaster: How the CIA Kept America Safe and How Barack Obama is Inviting the Next Attack by Marc Thiessen. Thiessen has unusual credentials to address the subject of his book. As White House speechwriter for George Bush, Thiessen was locked in a secure room and given access to the most sensitive intelligence when he was assigned the task of writing Bush's September 2006 speech explaining the CIA's interrogation program and why Congress should authorize it. Few public figures in a position to address the subject publicly know more about these CIA operations than Thiessen. We invited Marc to explore the subject for us in connection with the publication of his book and he has kindly provided the following post:

On Christmas Day, a new terrorist network--a mysterious branch of al Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula - almost succeeded in bringing down a commercial airliner over one of America's largest cities. If the plane had exploded and crashed into downtown Detroit, thousands could have perished. Only luck saved us from catastrophe.

We did not see this attack coming. By the Obama administration's own admission, we know very little about this new terror network or its plans to attack America. In Courting Disaster, I explain that the reason why we were caught by surprise on Christmas Day - and the reason why we are in growing danger of suffering another terrorist attack - is that Barack Obama has eliminated the most important tool our nation has in the fight against terror: the ability to detain and effectively interrogate senior terrorist leaders.

Intelligence is like putting together a puzzle without being allowed to see the picture on the cover. We can collect pieces of the puzzle through many means - intercepted phone calls and emails, sources we recruit inside al Qaeda. But only captured terrorists like KSM - who know the full scope their plans to attack America - can explain to us how the pieces all fit together, and show us the picture on the cover of the box.

The reason we have not suffered another attack like the one we experienced on 9/11 captured and questioned KSM and other top al Qaeda leaders and got them to share their plans. But today, thanks to Obama, we are no longer trying to capture the leaders of al Qaeda alive, and bring them in for interrogation so they can tell us what the cover of the box looks like.

Courting Disaster takes you behind the scenes at the CIA "black sites" and introduces readers to the actual interrogators who broke KSM and his fellow jihadists. It tells the story of how, in the months and years that followed 9/11, we captured many of al Qaeda's top operational leaders--the terrorists tasked with carrying out the "second wave" of attacks--and got them to tell us what they were planning. It explains how:

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the arrest of an al Qaeda terrorist named Jose Padilla, who was sent to America on a mission to blow up high-rise apartment buildings in the United States.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the capture of a cell of Southeast Asian terrorists which had been tasked by KSM to hijack a passenger jet and fly it into the Library Tower in Los Angeles.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the capture of Ramzi Bin al-Shibh, KSM's right-hand-man in the 9/11 attacks, just as he was finalizing plans for a plot to hijack airplanes in Europe and fly them into Heathrow airport and buildings in downtown London.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the capture of Ammar al-Baluchi and Walid bin Attash, just as they were completing plans to replicate the destruction of our embassies in East Africa by blowing up the U.S. consulate and Western residences in Karachi, Pakistan.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the disruption of an al Qaeda plot to blow up the U.S. Marine camp in Djibouti, in an attack that could have rivaled the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine Barracks in Beirut.

Information from detainees in CIA custody helped break up an al Qaeda cell that was developing anthrax for terrorist attacks inside the United States.

In addition to helping break up these specific terrorist cells and plots, CIA questioning provided our intelligence community with an unparalleled body of information about al Qaeda--giving U.S. officials a picture of the terrorist organization as seen from the inside, at a time when we knew almost nothing about the enemy who had attacked us on 9/11.

Until the program was temporarily suspended in 2006, intelligence officials say, well over half of the information our government had about al Qaeda--how it operates, how it moves money, how it communicates, how it recruits operatives, how it picks targets, how it plans and carries out attacks--came from the interrogation of terrorists in CIA custody.

Consider that for a moment: without this capability, more than half of what we knew about the enemy would have disappeared.

Former CIA Director George Tenet has declared: "I know that this program has saved lives. I know we've disrupted plots. I know this program alone is worth more than what the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency put together have been able to tell us."

Former CIA Director Mike Hayden has said: "The facts of the case are that the use of these techniques against these terrorists made us safer. It really did work."

Former Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte has said: "[T]his is a very, very important capability to have. This has been one of the most valuable, if not the most valuable ... human intelligence program with respect to Al Qaeda. It has given us invaluable information that has saved American lives. So it is very, very important that we have this kind of capability."

Former Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell has said: "We have people walking around in this country that are alive today because this process happened."

Even Obama administration officials have acknowledged the value of the program.

Obama's Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, has said: "High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qaeda organization that was attacking this country."

Leon Panetta, Obama's CIA Director, has said: "Important information was gathered from these detainees. It provided information that was acted upon."

And John Brennan, Obama's top counterterrorism advisor, when asked in an interview if enhanced interrogation techniques were necessary to keep America safe, replied: "Would the U.S. be handicapped if the CIA was not, in fact, able to carry out these types of detention and debriefing activities? I would say yes."

Indeed, the official assessment of our intelligence community is that, were it not for the CIA interrogation program, "al Qaeda and its allies would have succeeded in launching another attack against the American homeland."

And in his first forty-eight hours in office, President Barack Obama shut the program down.

Obama not only put a stop to the CIA interrogation program, several months later he released sensitive documents detailing our interrogation methods of high-value terrorists. With these actions, Barack Obama did arguably more damage to America's national security in his first 100 days of office than any president in American history.

In shutting down the CIA program, Obama eliminated our nation's most important tool to prevent the terrorists from striking America. And in releasing highly sensitive documents describing the details of how we have interrogated captured terrorists--and the legal limits of our interrogation techniques--Obama gave critical intelligence to the enemy.

These were two of the most dangerous and irresponsible acts an American president has ever committed in a time of war. It is as if Winston Churchill had shut down the ULTRA program which had broken German codes, and then shared secret documents detailing how it worked with the public--and thus with the Nazi leadership in Berlin. President Obama has given up a vital source of intelligence needed to protect our country. And al Qaeda will now use the information Obama released to train its operatives to resist interrogation, and thus withhold information about planned attacks. Americans could die as a result.

Today America no longer has the capability to detain and effectively question high-value terrorists. By eliminating this capability, the president is denying America's military and intelligence professionals the information they need to stop new terrorist attacks before they are carried out. And that means that America is significantly less safe today than it was when Obama took office.

 

[busybody..]

Porn board.

Remember?

fuck off, FREAK!

 

[busybody..]

PS, KruelKaren

You have a quibble with ONE on my SIGS...............

I have a quibble with the SIG YOU PULLED

I want the PUSSY BACK

 

[Karen Kraft]

wanna read something that shows you are correct.......that he indeed knows what he is doing, and doing it anyway to our detriment?

READ!

Today is the official publication date of Courting Disaster: How the CIA Kept America Safe and How Barack Obama is Inviting the Next Attack by Marc Thiessen. Thiessen has unusual credentials to address the subject of his book. As White House speechwriter for George Bush, Thiessen was locked in a secure room and given access to the most sensitive intelligence when he was assigned the task of writing Bush's September 2006 speech explaining the CIA's interrogation program and why Congress should authorize it. Few public figures in a position to address the subject publicly know more about these CIA operations than Thiessen. We invited Marc to explore the subject for us in connection with the publication of his book and he has kindly provided the following post:

On Christmas Day, a new terrorist network--a mysterious branch of al Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula - almost succeeded in bringing down a commercial airliner over one of America's largest cities. If the plane had exploded and crashed into downtown Detroit, thousands could have perished. Only luck saved us from catastrophe.

We did not see this attack coming. By the Obama administration's own admission, we know very little about this new terror network or its plans to attack America. In Courting Disaster, I explain that the reason why we were caught by surprise on Christmas Day - and the reason why we are in growing danger of suffering another terrorist attack - is that Barack Obama has eliminated the most important tool our nation has in the fight against terror: the ability to detain and effectively interrogate senior terrorist leaders.

Intelligence is like putting together a puzzle without being allowed to see the picture on the cover. We can collect pieces of the puzzle through many means - intercepted phone calls and emails, sources we recruit inside al Qaeda. But only captured terrorists like KSM - who know the full scope their plans to attack America - can explain to us how the pieces all fit together, and show us the picture on the cover of the box.

The reason we have not suffered another attack like the one we experienced on 9/11 captured and questioned KSM and other top al Qaeda leaders and got them to share their plans. But today, thanks to Obama, we are no longer trying to capture the leaders of al Qaeda alive, and bring them in for interrogation so they can tell us what the cover of the box looks like.

Courting Disaster takes you behind the scenes at the CIA "black sites" and introduces readers to the actual interrogators who broke KSM and his fellow jihadists. It tells the story of how, in the months and years that followed 9/11, we captured many of al Qaeda's top operational leaders--the terrorists tasked with carrying out the "second wave" of attacks--and got them to tell us what they were planning. It explains how:

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the arrest of an al Qaeda terrorist named Jose Padilla, who was sent to America on a mission to blow up high-rise apartment buildings in the United States.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the capture of a cell of Southeast Asian terrorists which had been tasked by KSM to hijack a passenger jet and fly it into the Library Tower in Los Angeles.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the capture of Ramzi Bin al-Shibh, KSM's right-hand-man in the 9/11 attacks, just as he was finalizing plans for a plot to hijack airplanes in Europe and fly them into Heathrow airport and buildings in downtown London.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the capture of Ammar al-Baluchi and Walid bin Attash, just as they were completing plans to replicate the destruction of our embassies in East Africa by blowing up the U.S. consulate and Western residences in Karachi, Pakistan.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the disruption of an al Qaeda plot to blow up the U.S. Marine camp in Djibouti, in an attack that could have rivaled the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine Barracks in Beirut.

Information from detainees in CIA custody helped break up an al Qaeda cell that was developing anthrax for terrorist attacks inside the United States.

In addition to helping break up these specific terrorist cells and plots, CIA questioning provided our intelligence community with an unparalleled body of information about al Qaeda--giving U.S. officials a picture of the terrorist organization as seen from the inside, at a time when we knew almost nothing about the enemy who had attacked us on 9/11.

Until the program was temporarily suspended in 2006, intelligence officials say, well over half of the information our government had about al Qaeda--how it operates, how it moves money, how it communicates, how it recruits operatives, how it picks targets, how it plans and carries out attacks--came from the interrogation of terrorists in CIA custody.

Consider that for a moment: without this capability, more than half of what we knew about the enemy would have disappeared.

Former CIA Director George Tenet has declared: "I know that this program has saved lives. I know we've disrupted plots. I know this program alone is worth more than what the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency put together have been able to tell us."

Former CIA Director Mike Hayden has said: "The facts of the case are that the use of these techniques against these terrorists made us safer. It really did work."

Former Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte has said: "[T]his is a very, very important capability to have. This has been one of the most valuable, if not the most valuable ... human intelligence program with respect to Al Qaeda. It has given us invaluable information that has saved American lives. So it is very, very important that we have this kind of capability."

Former Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell has said: "We have people walking around in this country that are alive today because this process happened."

Even Obama administration officials have acknowledged the value of the program.

Obama's Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, has said: "High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qaeda organization that was attacking this country."

Leon Panetta, Obama's CIA Director, has said: "Important information was gathered from these detainees. It provided information that was acted upon."

And John Brennan, Obama's top counterterrorism advisor, when asked in an interview if enhanced interrogation techniques were necessary to keep America safe, replied: "Would the U.S. be handicapped if the CIA was not, in fact, able to carry out these types of detention and debriefing activities? I would say yes."

Indeed, the official assessment of our intelligence community is that, were it not for the CIA interrogation program, "al Qaeda and its allies would have succeeded in launching another attack against the American homeland."

And in his first forty-eight hours in office, President Barack Obama shut the program down.

Obama not only put a stop to the CIA interrogation program, several months later he released sensitive documents detailing our interrogation methods of high-value terrorists. With these actions, Barack Obama did arguably more damage to America's national security in his first 100 days of office than any president in American history.

In shutting down the CIA program, Obama eliminated our nation's most important tool to prevent the terrorists from striking America. And in releasing highly sensitive documents describing the details of how we have interrogated captured terrorists--and the legal limits of our interrogation techniques--Obama gave critical intelligence to the enemy.

These were two of the most dangerous and irresponsible acts an American president has ever committed in a time of war. It is as if Winston Churchill had shut down the ULTRA program which had broken German codes, and then shared secret documents detailing how it worked with the public--and thus with the Nazi leadership in Berlin. President Obama has given up a vital source of intelligence needed to protect our country. And al Qaeda will now use the information Obama released to train its operatives to resist interrogation, and thus withhold information about planned attacks. Americans could die as a result.

Today America no longer has the capability to detain and effectively question high-value terrorists. By eliminating this capability, the president is denying America's military and intelligence professionals the information they need to stop new terrorist attacks before they are carried out. And that means that America is significantly less safe today than it was when Obama took office.

The crazies on the web are claiming that Obama will suspend or cancel the elections. But similar web crazies said the same thing about George W. Bush. Nobody will cancel the elections.

They will, however, try to keep their perfidious asses in office by exploiting some major terrorist attack or nuclear explosion someplace (most likely in Israel or Iran). In a crisis, Americans tend to lose themselves in patriotic fervor and ignore such things as sweeping the political tumors into the incinerator.

 

[busybody..]

The crazies on the web are claiming that Obama will suspend or cancel the elections. But similar web crazies said the same thing about George W. Bush. Nobody will cancel the elections.

They will, however, try to keep their perfidious asses in office by exploiting some major terrorist attack or nuclear explosion someplace (most likely in Israel or Iran). In a crisis, Americans tend to lose themselves in patriotic fervor and ignore such things as sweeping the political tumors into the incinerator.

I agree

and even if he loses

the VOTES will be changed

 

[busybody..]

PPS

You can LOSE the mountain

and

Add more PUSSY

This way I will be happy

and

maybe even FrakKilly will STFU

 

[auslit]

exploiting a major terrorism attack? Because no other leader would do that

this thread is far more fun with BB on iggy

 

[Karen Kraft]

I agree

and even if he loses

the VOTES will be changed

Some summer night, when all of the polls show that the traitors will lose both houses of Congress and The White House (some future time), people who have been hording gold will sell all of it and invest in what will be the largest wartime or peacetime economic expansion in history.

The only good thing The Bam is presently doing is showing us the alternative to capitalism. It takes a lot for people to wake up to reality. 48 months of unemployment (which Obama thinks creates socialists) will radicalize any would-be vacant-staring liberal and have them worshiping at the shrine of capitalism. It's only when they realize that socialism has never "created wealth" and that the only system that has ever created wealth is capitalism, they will return to the fundamentals that made the American experience (prior to its temporary infestation) exceptional.

It's almost like an Indiana Jones story: the voters saw an attractive bobble sitting right before them. They grabbed for it and now the cave is closing in on them and the water is starting to cover their frantic awakening noses.

 

[Guest]

"Chamberlin!? You could stick his head in a toilet and he'd still give you half of Europe."

George Costanza

 

[busybody..]

"Chamberlin!? You could stick his head in a toilet and he'd still give you half of Europe."

George Costanza

Im still waiting FOR you to show me

Who declared WAR on the US

And

What right the US has in attacking in a cowardly fashion from the AIR, where innocents are killed?

I recall the KKKOLORED FOOL bashed Bush for that

 

[Guest]

Im still waiting FOR you to show me

Who declared WAR on the US

And

What right the US has in attacking in a cowardly fashion from the AIR, where innocents are killed?

I recall the KKKOLORED FOOL bashed Bush for that

Hold your breath while waiting.

 

[busybody..]

Hold your breath while waiting.

I will





OTOH, why did you say it

If you cant back it up

 

[torchthebitch]

Some historians contend that Chamberlin was aware that Germany's weapons build up had moved ahead of Britain's. As a result his meeting with Hitler had a secondary purpose. To buy time for Britain to develop and produce modern munitions.

One thing is certain. We would not have had the modern low wing monoplanes and radar installations that allowed us to defend against the Luftwaffe had it not been for those extra months.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Colonel Hogan]

wanna read something that shows you are correct.......that he indeed knows what he is doing, and doing it anyway to our detriment?

READ!

Today is the official publication date of Courting Disaster: How the CIA Kept America Safe and How Barack Obama is Inviting the Next Attack by Marc Thiessen. Thiessen has unusual credentials to address the subject of his book. As White House speechwriter for George Bush, Thiessen was locked in a secure room and given access to the most sensitive intelligence when he was assigned the task of writing Bush's September 2006 speech explaining the CIA's interrogation program and why Congress should authorize it. Few public figures in a position to address the subject publicly know more about these CIA operations than Thiessen. We invited Marc to explore the subject for us in connection with the publication of his book and he has kindly provided the following post:

On Christmas Day, a new terrorist network--a mysterious branch of al Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula - almost succeeded in bringing down a commercial airliner over one of America's largest cities. If the plane had exploded and crashed into downtown Detroit, thousands could have perished. Only luck saved us from catastrophe.

We did not see this attack coming. By the Obama administration's own admission, we know very little about this new terror network or its plans to attack America. In Courting Disaster, I explain that the reason why we were caught by surprise on Christmas Day - and the reason why we are in growing danger of suffering another terrorist attack - is that Barack Obama has eliminated the most important tool our nation has in the fight against terror: the ability to detain and effectively interrogate senior terrorist leaders.

Intelligence is like putting together a puzzle without being allowed to see the picture on the cover. We can collect pieces of the puzzle through many means - intercepted phone calls and emails, sources we recruit inside al Qaeda. But only captured terrorists like KSM - who know the full scope their plans to attack America - can explain to us how the pieces all fit together, and show us the picture on the cover of the box.

The reason we have not suffered another attack like the one we experienced on 9/11 captured and questioned KSM and other top al Qaeda leaders and got them to share their plans. But today, thanks to Obama, we are no longer trying to capture the leaders of al Qaeda alive, and bring them in for interrogation so they can tell us what the cover of the box looks like.

Courting Disaster takes you behind the scenes at the CIA "black sites" and introduces readers to the actual interrogators who broke KSM and his fellow jihadists. It tells the story of how, in the months and years that followed 9/11, we captured many of al Qaeda's top operational leaders--the terrorists tasked with carrying out the "second wave" of attacks--and got them to tell us what they were planning. It explains how:

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the arrest of an al Qaeda terrorist named Jose Padilla, who was sent to America on a mission to blow up high-rise apartment buildings in the United States.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the capture of a cell of Southeast Asian terrorists which had been tasked by KSM to hijack a passenger jet and fly it into the Library Tower in Los Angeles.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the capture of Ramzi Bin al-Shibh, KSM's right-hand-man in the 9/11 attacks, just as he was finalizing plans for a plot to hijack airplanes in Europe and fly them into Heathrow airport and buildings in downtown London.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the capture of Ammar al-Baluchi and Walid bin Attash, just as they were completing plans to replicate the destruction of our embassies in East Africa by blowing up the U.S. consulate and Western residences in Karachi, Pakistan.

Information from detainees in CIA custody led to the disruption of an al Qaeda plot to blow up the U.S. Marine camp in Djibouti, in an attack that could have rivaled the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine Barracks in Beirut.

Information from detainees in CIA custody helped break up an al Qaeda cell that was developing anthrax for terrorist attacks inside the United States.

In addition to helping break up these specific terrorist cells and plots, CIA questioning provided our intelligence community with an unparalleled body of information about al Qaeda--giving U.S. officials a picture of the terrorist organization as seen from the inside, at a time when we knew almost nothing about the enemy who had attacked us on 9/11.

Until the program was temporarily suspended in 2006, intelligence officials say, well over half of the information our government had about al Qaeda--how it operates, how it moves money, how it communicates, how it recruits operatives, how it picks targets, how it plans and carries out attacks--came from the interrogation of terrorists in CIA custody.

Consider that for a moment: without this capability, more than half of what we knew about the enemy would have disappeared.

Former CIA Director George Tenet has declared: "I know that this program has saved lives. I know we've disrupted plots. I know this program alone is worth more than what the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency put together have been able to tell us."

Former CIA Director Mike Hayden has said: "The facts of the case are that the use of these techniques against these terrorists made us safer. It really did work."

Former Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte has said: "[T]his is a very, very important capability to have. This has been one of the most valuable, if not the most valuable ... human intelligence program with respect to Al Qaeda. It has given us invaluable information that has saved American lives. So it is very, very important that we have this kind of capability."

Former Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell has said: "We have people walking around in this country that are alive today because this process happened."

Even Obama administration officials have acknowledged the value of the program.

Obama's Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, has said: "High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qaeda organization that was attacking this country."

Leon Panetta, Obama's CIA Director, has said: "Important information was gathered from these detainees. It provided information that was acted upon."

And John Brennan, Obama's top counterterrorism advisor, when asked in an interview if enhanced interrogation techniques were necessary to keep America safe, replied: "Would the U.S. be handicapped if the CIA was not, in fact, able to carry out these types of detention and debriefing activities? I would say yes."

Indeed, the official assessment of our intelligence community is that, were it not for the CIA interrogation program, "al Qaeda and its allies would have succeeded in launching another attack against the American homeland."

And in his first forty-eight hours in office, President Barack Obama shut the program down.

Obama not only put a stop to the CIA interrogation program, several months later he released sensitive documents detailing our interrogation methods of high-value terrorists. With these actions, Barack Obama did arguably more damage to America's national security in his first 100 days of office than any president in American history.

In shutting down the CIA program, Obama eliminated our nation's most important tool to prevent the terrorists from striking America. And in releasing highly sensitive documents describing the details of how we have interrogated captured terrorists--and the legal limits of our interrogation techniques--Obama gave critical intelligence to the enemy.

These were two of the most dangerous and irresponsible acts an American president has ever committed in a time of war. It is as if Winston Churchill had shut down the ULTRA program which had broken German codes, and then shared secret documents detailing how it worked with the public--and thus with the Nazi leadership in Berlin. President Obama has given up a vital source of intelligence needed to protect our country. And al Qaeda will now use the information Obama released to train its operatives to resist interrogation, and thus withhold information about planned attacks. Americans could die as a result.

Today America no longer has the capability to detain and effectively question high-value terrorists. By eliminating this capability, the president is denying America's military and intelligence professionals the information they need to stop new terrorist attacks before they are carried out. And that means that America is significantly less safe today than it was when Obama took office.

Your own post makes it clear that the Bush administration "temporarily suspended" the interrogation program in 2006 as a result of the Detainee Treatment Act (DTA) passed in December of 2005. The DTA limited interrogation techniques for prisoners under control of the Department of Defense specifically to those techniques described in the Army Field Manual on Intelligence Interrogation.

Furthermore, section 1003(a) prohibited "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment of persons under custody or control" of the United States generally.

It defined those terms as follows:

(d) Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment Defined- In this section, the term `cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment' means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, as defined in the United States Reservations, Declarations and Understandings to the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment done at New York, December 10, 1984. http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/gazette/2005/12/detainee-treatment-act-of-2005-white.php
​

Prior to passage of the DTA, the Bush administration had already been backing away from enhanced interrogations. It hadn't used waterboarding since 2003.

The phrase "temporarily suspended" implies that the CIA interrogation program was somehow re-implemented prior to Obama taking office.

It wasn't. Simply not true.

Thus, Obama's Executive Order 13491 of January 22, 2009 which supposedly "outlawed torture" was mostly smoke and very little fire. It didn't do anything which really had not already been done. It did reference a more recent version of the Army Field Manual than had been relied upon by the DTA, and it did close CIA detention facilities abroad.

But any interrogation remotely resembling "torture" had long been outlawed by the DTA -- which George Bush signed into law.

Besides, it's not like Barack really, really meant it. In a classic example of government doublespeak, President Obama, in the very same executive order that restricted interrogation techniques to those described in Army Field Manual 2 22.3, established a Special Interagency Task Force on Interrogation and Transfer Policies to study the matter and advise him on whether the first half of EO 13491 was really that good of an idea after all.

Specifically, he said:

e) Mission. The mission of the Special Task Force shall be:

(i) to study and evaluate whether the interrogation practices and techniques in Army Field Manual 2 22.3, when employed by departments or agencies outside the military, provide an appropriate means of acquiring the intelligence necessary to protect the Nation, and, if warranted, to recommend any additional or different guidance for other departments or agencies; and

(ii) to study and evaluate the practices of transferring individuals to other nations in order to ensure that such practices comply with the domestic laws, international obligations, and policies of the United States and do not result in the transfer of individuals to other nations to face torture or otherwise for the purpose, or with the effect, of undermining or circumventing the commitments or obligations of the United States to ensure the humane treatment of individuals in its custody or control.​

Guess what? The Task Force reported back to the President with its recommendations this past August. The Task Force assured the President, after consulting with the "most experienced and skilled" interrogators, that the provisions of Army Field Manual 2 22.3 were just fine for interrogations, thank you, and that no "additional or different guidance" was necessary.

Uh.....sort of.

"The Task Force concluded, however, that the United States could improve its ability to interrogate the most dangerous terrorists by forming a specialized interrogation group, or High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group (HIG), that would bring together the most effective and experienced interrogators and support personnel from across the Intelligence Community, the Department of Defense and law enforcement. The creation of the HIG would build upon a proposal developed by the Intelligence Science Board.

To accomplish that goal, the Task Force recommended that the HIG should coordinate the deployment of mobile teams of experienced interrogators, analysts, subject matter experts and linguists to conduct interrogations of high-value terrorists if the United States obtains the ability to interrogate them. The primary goal of this elite interrogation group would be gathering intelligence to prevent terrorist attacks and otherwise to protect national security. Advance planning and interagency coordination prior to interrogations would also allow the United States, where appropriate, to preserve the option of gathering information to be used in potential criminal investigations and prosecutions.

The Task Force recommended that the specialized interrogation group be administratively housed within the Federal Bureau of Investigation, with its principal function being intelligence gathering, rather than law enforcement. Moreover, the Task Force recommended that the group be subject to policy guidance and oversight coordinated by the National Security Council.

The Task Force also recommended that this specialized interrogation group develop a set of best practices and disseminate these for training purposes among agencies that conduct interrogations. In addition, the Task Force recommended that a scientific research program for interrogation be established to study the comparative effectiveness of interrogation approaches and techniques, with the goal of identifying the existing techniques that are most effective and developing new lawful techniques to improve intelligence interrogations."

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/August/09-ag-835.html​

Does it get any more hilarious? Immediately, after saying that no "additional or different guidance" was necessary, the Task Force advocates the HIG.

Secondly, the HIG's objective of gathering intelligence (mentioned TWICE) rather than law enforcement is hardly an accidental distinction. It implies an interrogation that, at the very least, is coercive in nature and might not withstand the due process requirements necessary for a successful criminal conviction.

Finally, -- and this is the very BEST part -- the Task Force recommends that the HIG develop and "disseminate to other agencies that conduct interrogations" a set of "BEST PRACTICES" that are scientifically verifiable as to their effectiveness. Hah! So much for those bumbling Bush amateurs. Leave it to Obama to take the guess work out of "torture."

But, hey, if it gets ya some good intelligence, right? Well, duuuuuhhhh. That's what the previous administration was trying to do, dumbasses!

The Task Force's concern for detainees transferred to other countries was equally touching. In order to ensure that such individuals are not tortured, the Task Force came up with this gem:

"The Task Force also made several recommendations aimed at improving the United States’ ability to monitor the treatment of individuals transferred to other countries. These include a recommendation that agencies obtaining assurances from foreign countries insist on a monitoring mechanism, or otherwise establish a monitoring mechanism, to ensure consistent, private access to the individual who has been transferred, with minimal advance notice to the detaining government."​

Yeah, good luck with that. And if the receiving country tells you to shove your "monitoring mechanism" up your ass, do you transfer anyway? No? Yes? Maybe? Yeah. I'm guessing "maybe" works.

In short, BB, Bush had backed off enhanced interrogations long before Barack Obama hypocritically used the issue to win a Nobel Peace Prize.

And contrary to what he would like you and everyone else to believe, Barack Obama has reserved the right to reinstate the practice of enhanced interrogations anytime he wants.

Most probably right after the next successful attack on America.

 

[busybody..]

Bush was a CAVE MAN

caved into the LIBZ

He was a FAG!

Yes, it will take a MASS CASUALTY ATTACK for us

to

get

SOMEWHAT

serious