"Bastard Nation"

BustyTheClown

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"Bastard Nation": an adoptee's rights forum for people trying to reestablish the legal (and "human") rights of adult adoptees who are literally not allowed to see their own adoption records, birth certificates, etc. This is something near and dear to me, so I gave it a shot.

I was scared when I saw it. No offense to the person who gave me the tip -- I appreciate the thought. :D But there is something about many activist groups that scares me: their fanaticism. I refuse to join groups with similar opinions/thoughts/beliefs as mine simply because I know it is all too easy to get carried away and start sounding stupid.

If any of you want to check the site out, it's at Bastard nation. Check it out. There is some helpful information on there, including most state laws on adoptions all typed out for people to see. There are ways to get involved in the movement, ways to contact senators and representatives and whatnot, etc.

I went to the "Laugh" link, as I appreciate humor. It had jokes, but only some of them were even marginally funny to me. Quite a few seemed degrading towards people who aren't adopted, crazy theories about how adoptees are a superior race, etc. I realize this is all supposed to be funny, but I just didn't find it so...

The most disturbing part for me, however, was the use of the word "bastard" to describe people who were adopted. The site claims it has "reclaimed" the word bastard to describe adoptees, like the feminist reclamation of the word "bitch" to describe women. I don't know how many feminists took up proudly calling themselves bitches, and I'm not sure how many adopted people who have been called bastards would like to use that term for themselves. It just seems callous to me.

Besides, if an organization wishes to accomplish anything remotely productive, it seems to me that it is not wise to even joke about being superior, it is not wise to create the impression that their cause is a war against the government (state or federal), and it is not wise to do something as stupid as refer to its own members as bastards. Hell, maybe it's just me, but these people seem to be headed down PETA's path, along with extreme feminists (the kind who claim that the witchhunts were a "Woman's Holocaust) and any other radical group that loses sight of its focus and is more concerned with taking out anger on those its members feel have wronged them in some way.
 
I think they picked that name for the shock value, and the fact that many of us in my generation, were born out of wedlock. See my bio in my profile.
 
Busty....

If it is "near and dear", follow your heart! Be cognizant that the road may lead somewhere that would be a disappointment. Expect little or nothing, hope for a new world, settle for something in between. Your heritage does not define you, you are defined by the life "you" lead!

RhumbRunner:rose:
 
BustyTheClown said:
[BI refuse to join groups with similar opinions/thoughts/beliefs as mine simply because I know it is all too easy to get carried away and start sounding stupid.[/B]

One of the best phrases I think I've ever read on Lit...

ppman
 
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p_p_man said:


One of the best phrases I think I've ever read on Lit...

ppman

Hi disagree. Busty, you obviously feel stongly about this issue. It's better to get involved and be a voice of change. Jump in head first into the fray....get carried away. What do you care if others think you sounds stupid, if that's how you feel?

BTW, I don't like the way they use the word "bastard" either. We should eradicate it from our vocabulary. Don't like it. Never have. It's one of the most offensive words I can think of.
 
OK......

....we will "dump" the word.

BTW, I don't like the way they use the word "bastard" either. We should eradicate it from our vocabulary. Don't like it. Never have. It's one of the most offensive words I can think of."

And then it will be substituted by.......which then will become.........
For Christ's sake all a bastard is, is a child born to unmarried parents! I see no judgement eminating from that, unless it's toward the parents!

Folks, we gotta stop this "political correctness" bullshit directed toward words ! It's only a valid, precise definition!

RhumbRunner:rolleyes:
 
Re: OK......

RhumbRunner13 said:
....we will "dump" the word.

BTW, I don't like the way they use the word "bastard" either. We should eradicate it from our vocabulary. Don't like it. Never have. It's one of the most offensive words I can think of."

And then it will be substituted by.......which then will become.........
For Christ's sake all a bastard is, is a child born to unmarried parents! I see no judgement eminating from that, unless it's toward the parents!

Folks, we gotta stop this "political correctness" bullshit directed toward words ! It's only a valid, precise definition!

RhumbRunner:rolleyes:

You see no judgement eminating from it? Perhaps from you, but there are still many people that brand the child with this shameful word and that's where the damage lies.

Of course, it's just a word. Do you feel the same about racist words?
 
Bastard Nation

You don't have to buy the cow, just to get some milk, Busty.

Get involved to the degree you are comfortable with and ignore the fanatic bullshit.

I have debated the "biological parents" issues with many fellow adoptees. My personal feeling is fairly simple. Other than finding out genetic information, the only motive I have ever seen for tracking down birth parents is curiosity. And that motive alone is not enough to justify rewriting history.

Everyone reading this humble post is welcome to disagree. If there is another motive, I would like to hear it.
 
"You see no judgement eminating from it? Perhaps from you, but there are still many people that brand the child with this shameful word and that's where the damage lies. "


If judgement eminates from a word, it is you allowing yourself to be swayed to emotional heights by it's use! You have decided it is a pejorative word! Will you please explain how the word bastard or bitch can possibly be detrimenal to society unless the mind interpreting them is detrimental to society!

The damage lies in the person or the people branding!

Cure the people, not the words!

RhumbRunner:(
 
my child is a bastard...to make him not be a bastard i would have to marry the man who raped me

personally, i'm proud that he's a bastard

sorry...i sort of got off the point, didn't i?...well it's not MY fault...THEY (pointing at axel and rhumbrunner) started it!

~mumbling~ i get blamed for everything...not fair
 
RhumbRunner13 said:
"You see no judgement eminating from it? Perhaps from you, but there are still many people that brand the child with this shameful word and that's where the damage lies. "


If judgement eminates from a word, it is you allowing yourself to be swayed to emotional heights by it's use! You have decided it is a pejorative word! Will you please explain how the word bastard or bitch can possibly be detrimenal to society unless the mind interpreting them is detrimental to society!

The damage lies in the person or the people branding!

Cure the people, not the words!

RhumbRunner:(

I don't disagree with you that the damage lies in the person or the people branishing. However, ask a person who has been called a bastard how they feel about he word. We associate feelings with words, whether they are spoken or read. Philosophically, the people who speak and write the words are to blame. Realistically, the words hurt, too.

I think we're spitting hairs here.
 
No Sigh....

sigh said:
my child is a bastard...to make him not be a bastard i would have to marry the man who raped me

personally, i'm proud that he's a bastard

sorry...i sort of got off the point, didn't i?...well it's not MY fault...THEY (pointing at axel and rhumbrunner) started it!

~mumbling~ i get blamed for everything...not fair

I like the word "proud". I like your acceptance of the things that happened to you and your decision. Yes, I started some of this, but more to remove the stigma of words than to allow them to continue to hurt!

Rhumb:rose: :rose:
 
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