Basic Male Instinct?

[Swilly]

Your PC is showing.

There's research out there that confirms females lead the parade when it comes to domestic violence. Females, especially black females, top every category of violence except one: Males do more tissue damage. Girls start the fights, and the boys finish the fights. Females prefer bad boys.

Another surprise is: Rapists generally catch sexual diseases from their victims.

The OP cited a situation where the woman was having an affair. I don't see it as PC to say the appropriate response is something other than beating the shit out of her.

The points you make, while interesting, are of little solace to a woman getting pounded by the fists of a man with no self control. That lack of self control would surely show itself in other aspects of his life and behavior.

If a woman comes at me with a knife or some other weapon, I'll do what I need to do to protect myself. If she calls me names or fucks someone else, then I move on.

I stand by my point. The type of guy who hits first and asks questions later shouldn't be shocked when he loses his relationship.

Maybe you should examine the type of people you involve yourself with, JBJ.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The OP cited a situation where the woman was having an affair. I don't see it as PC to say the appropriate response is something other than beating the shit out of her.

The points you make, while interesting, are of little solace to a woman getting pounded by the fists of a man with no self control. That lack of self control would surely show itself in other aspects of his life and behavior.

If a woman comes at me with a knife or some other weapon, I'll do what I need to do to protect myself. If she calls me names or fucks someone else, then I move on.

I stand by my point. The type of guy who hits first and asks questions later shouldn't be shocked when he loses his relationship.

Maybe you should examine the type of people you involve yourself with, JBJ.

I retired with the state after 20 years dealing with the dregs of society, and they were the professionals...clients were much worse. I've seen it all. And know that most women get what they went after.

 

[oggbashan]

For 'basic male instinct' read 'basic asshole instinct'.

Someone who can't deal with relationship issues without violence is an asshole.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

For 'basic male instinct' read 'basic asshole instinct'.

Someone who can't deal with relationship issues without violence is an asshole.

They love assholes. Open your eyes.

 

[Neonurotic]

LW is writing masochism for tiny pecker internet sadists who can only get it on in Public Comments.

I'm not particularly thin-skinned but I don't see the fun in writing for that category. If I feel like a good thrashing, I'd rather Senna Jawa or twelveoone on the poetry side of the Lit house. Their comments are razor wire, but at least they're useful.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

LW is writing masochism for tiny pecker internet sadists who can only get it on in Public Comments.

I'm not particularly thin-skinned but I don't see the fun in writing for that category. If I feel like a good thrashing, I'd rather Senna Jawa or twelveoone on the poetry side of the Lit house. Their comments are razor wire, but at least they're useful.

Poetry? hahahahahahahahahaha Donate your balls to a wounded warrior.

 

[TxRad]

Poetry? hahahahahahahahahaha Donate your balls to a wounded warrior.

There ya go showing your ignorance again.

 

[sr71plt]

For instance during bdsm play it is very appropriate to grab a gal by her hair and drag her about. Out in the world, such an act can be seen as abusive. In the bdsm play it is seen as part of a deep, trusting and loving relationship. It's all about context as I see it.

Oh, I don't see that as loving at all. I see that as sanctioned violent aggression, justifying the rooted hate with a false context.

 

[TxRad]

Oh, I don't see that as loving at all. I see that as sanctioned violent aggression, justifying the rooted hate with a false context.

Then you see it wrong and don't understand the relationship or the context.

 

[sr71plt]

Then you see it wrong and don't understand the relationship or the context.

Well certainly not the context that the practitioners want to see it in, no. Aggressive violence is aggressive violence.

 

[SecondCircle]

Well certainly not the context that the practitioners want to see it in, no. Aggressive violence is aggressive violence.

I don't agree. With BDSM (usually) it's consensual, because all involved enjoy it and the thrill it gives. That's not the same thing as one person beating the hell out of another.

 

[mikoli5763]

In thirty-three years

of marriage never has my first "instinct" been to hit my wife when she's angered me. I was taught at an early age that boys didn't hit girls no matter how angry they made you.
(I hit my younger sister once and both my parents whipped me for it, my mom when she came home from work and the baby sitter told her and then my dad when he came home and my mom told him.)
I don't see hitting a woman as a "Basic Male Instinct".
Divorce, leave, or any number of other options are better than hitting.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

of marriage never has my first "instinct" been to hit my wife when she's angered me. I was taught at an early age that boys didn't hit girls no matter how angry they made you.
(I hit my younger sister once and both my parents whipped me for it, my mom when she came home from work and the baby sitter told her and then my dad when he came home and my mom told him.)
I don't see hitting a woman as a "Basic Male Instinct".
Divorce, leave, or any number of other options are better than hitting.

Youre a liar.

Every real boy loves kicking his sisters ass. I have 5 sisters. You've not lived till you hold a sister down and clip her nails off. The whole world goes nuts, your mom beats you with a broom, and its great. And Sis wont claw you again.

 

[Bert_Fegg]

Youre a liar.

Every real boy loves kicking his sisters ass. I have 5 sisters. You've not lived till you hold a sister down and clip her nails off. The whole world goes nuts, your mom beats you with a broom, and its great. And Sis wont claw you again.

I have to say I don't believe this ever happened.

also "Real boy" made me giggle - Thanks for that

It's interesting that Pilot is so comfortable passing judgement on what BDSM actually is. I'd have thought that all that Gay porn you write, for which I'd imagine you have had a fair bit of flak, would have made you open to the idea that it's not the non-practitioners who get to define what the thing is all about. After all, if it were, then sites like this would be illegal, yes?

I have to say that Humiliation isn't my thing, but I revised my opinions on morality while dealing with US sponsored terrorists in the 80's, before terrorism became a Bad Thing over there. The shit that we did to them, and they to us, all in the name of "Freedom" whatever the fuck that is, brought home to me that there's very little that consenting grownups can do to each other in the name of pleasure, that's less moral that what some of us got medals for.

Sorry about the sermon, but hey, it's Sunday

Also I don't doubt that there are some abusive fucks using BDSM as an excuse, but I don't think they're typical, and if Jimmy B can invoke the Real Boy schema, then I'll say that Real Doms don't abuse their subs - All play is defined by the limits of the sub, not the desires of the Dom. The fact that some of the things that some subs crave makes my eyes water doesn't mean I think they're wrong for wanting them.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I have to say I don't believe this ever happened.

also "Real boy" made me giggle - Thanks for that

It's interesting that Pilot is so comfortable passing judgement on what BDSM actually is. I'd have thought that all that Gay porn you write, for which I'd imagine you have had a fair bit of flak, would have made you open to the idea that it's not the non-practitioners who get to define what the thing is all about. After all, if it were, then sites like this would be illegal, yes?

I have to say that Humiliation isn't my thing, but I revised my opinions on morality while dealing with US sponsored terrorists in the 80's, before terrorism became a Bad Thing over there. The shit that we did to them, and they to us, all in the name of "Freedom" whatever the fuck that is, brought home to me that there's very little that consenting grownups can do to each other in the name of pleasure, that's less moral that what some of us got medals for.

Sorry about the sermon, but hey, it's Sunday

Also I don't doubt that there are some abusive fucks using BDSM as an excuse, but I don't think they're typical, and if Jimmy B can invoke the Real Boy schema, then I'll say that Real Doms don't abuse their subs - All play is defined by the limits of the sub, not the desires of the Dom. The fact that some of the things that some subs crave makes my eyes water doesn't mean I think they're wrong for wanting them.

You reason like Napoleon and R.E. Lee, Moscow wasn't Napoleons idea, nor was Gettysburg Lee's favorite spot for battle. Doms and great leaders bring an impulse to action. Like Mister Miyagi said:MIYAGI GOT BELT, TOO; 4.98 AT JC PENNY.

The nail clipping incident was real. My sisters like to claw and scratch, and I got tired of it. I also destroyed a few batons after they had some quality time with my balls.

 

[49greg]

It started as a rant, then ...

My OP started as a rant against the anon comments that seemed way out of line. And then a lot of comments happened here, nice useful and entertaining comments. And I started thinking with my brain and not my hurt feelings. (Yeah, I know, a guy shouldn't have them things but whattareyahgonnado.)

A while back, way back, my folks retired and moved back to where my Dad grew up in middle america farm country. A small unincorporated village near the farm where he was born.

A neighbor, who lived several miles away, across fields of corn, milo and soy, had a dog that kept running away. One time it showed up at the folks place and mom fed it, petted it and dad made a comfy bed in a shed with an opening for it to go in and out. Then they asked around, advertised for anyone who was missing this nice quiet dog.

And the owners came to get it, the dad, the mommy, and the pre-teen kiddies. And the dad handed the kiddies a stick and told them to teach the dog not to run away, right outside my retired parents' driveway the kids commenced to whale away at this dog telling the dog that it was a bad dog for running away. Hitting it without mercy.

Now the dog can't understand peoplespeak. And the dog lives in the moment. So what they taught it was not to get caught by these people and not to stay with them. So it ran away again and again. Always came to where it was treated kindly.

I'm not saying a human, male or female, is dog-like, but I would think any human who gets beat at home at the whim of his/her spouse is going to want to get away. And go to where kindness prevails. But apparently that isn't what happens in many cases.

Unfortunately humans don't think like dogs. My wife was in an abusive relationship and stayed for a long time, somehow she came to think that she deserved that treatment. Later she broke away, and found that her feelings where common. She worked in a woman's shelter for years and saw the results of even worse beatings than she had. And women who feared for their lives. And women who only stayed long enough to get better and who ended up going back, because they thought that they deserved it. Probably they were women who were told by their parents and churches that they needed to be subservient to men.

Sometimes I think every woman should be issued a shotgun and a get out of jail free card when they get married.

And no, I'm not a woman. I just live with one who was battered. I've learned to be quiet and to not make sudden gestures, and NEVER NEVER move my hand near her face. Decades after the fact.

Men are pigs, and some are monsters. And there's no way to tell them apart until it's too late.

That's the reality, and what I love about this place is that it's fiction.

I guess my rant is because I want my readers to get the fiction part. And not read a story that they know they won't like and then act surprised. Like Spock, I don't understand the emotion and reaction of those fucktards.

 

[sr71plt]

It's interesting that Pilot is so comfortable passing judgement on what BDSM actually is. I'd have thought that all that Gay porn you write, for which I'd imagine you have had a fair bit of flak, would have made you open to the idea that it's not the non-practitioners who get to define what the thing is all about. After all, if it were, then sites like this would be illegal, yes?

Not reading me at all well there, Bert. I have been objecting to any club claiming the authority to say what BDSM is or isn't. I've been posting that it happens to various degrees without the participants giving any thought at all to what those claiming to give it definition think or say it can be. You haven't understand my posting stance on this at all.