Barry Bonds

[Zamdrist]

Now fourth on the all time home run list...next year will pass Willie Mays...later maybe even Ruth and Aaron? I don't know.

I do know you all should be jealous of me, cause I have the man's 1986 Topps rookie card with the Pirates

Mint condition

http://www.pconline.com/~zamdrist/images/bonds.jpg

 

[SleepingWarrior]

As long as he keeps taking HGH and/or steroids he should keep doing well.

 

[koalabear]

Yep, but when your my age you have all the old 50's cards.......

 

[Zamdrist]

As long as he keeps taking HGH and/or steroids he should keep doing well.

If he was taking steriods on a regular basis he'd be in the same boat as Conseco, Mcgwire and Caminiti...debilitating, career ending injuries. I don't see it.

 

[Zamdrist]

Yep, but when your my age you have all the old 50's cards.......

My Dad has the whole 53' series with several autographed.

So...

LOL...I mostly have 60s-80s cards. The ninties were awful, I can't stand Upper Deck.

 

[Marxist]

Barry, I've got two words for ya: SID BREAM

http://www.cumberlink.com/SportsLegends/ART/sbream.jpg

What the fuck was Barry thinking?

 

[SleepingWarrior]

If he was taking steriods on a regular basis he'd be in the same boat as Conseco, Mcgwire and Caminiti...debilitating, career ending injuries. I don't see it.

He didn't start taking them until 2000. Conflicting reports have him gaining anywhere from 20-30 pounds of muscle mass in one offseason. No matter how much you train and workout you can't pack on that much muscle in 5 months. To add to that how does one explain the great increase in homeruns he hits. He goes from 1 homerun in every 19 at bats to 1 in 11. Never hit more than 49 in a season until last year, then it jumps to 73 (In far fewer atbats) and he is doing this at an age where 98% of the players are declining rapidly or already retired.

 

[Zamdrist]

Barry, I've got two words for ya: SID BREAM

http://www.cumberlink.com/SportsLegends/ART/sbream.jpg

What the fuck was Barry thinking?

Sid simply ran out the throw...lol, bad knees and all

Of course, he should never have been on base once he reached second. But that's Cox for ya, the baseabll strategist. He had Hunter on the bench...he could have played defense...

But as it turned out...

 

[Clitfucker]

He didn't start taking them until 2000. Conflicting reports have him gaining anywhere from 20-30 pounds of muscle mass in one offseason. No matter how much you train and workout you can't pack on that much muscle in 5 months. To add to that how does one explain the great increase in homeruns he hits. He goes from 1 homerun in every 19 at bats to 1 in 11. Never hit more than 49 in a season until last year, then it jumps to 73 (In far fewer atbats) and he is doing this at an age where 98% of the players are declining rapidly or already retired.

I couldn't have said it better myself, cuz you took the words straight out of my mouth.

 

[Marxist]

There are faster quadraplegics than Sid Bream and colic-stricken infants with better arms than Bonds.

What a sight!

 

[Zamdrist]

He didn't start taking them until 2000. Conflicting reports have him gaining anywhere from 20-30 pounds of muscle mass in one offseason. No matter how much you train and workout you can't pack on that much muscle in 5 months. To add to that how does one explain the great increase in homeruns he hits. He goes from 1 homerun in every 19 at bats to 1 in 11. Never hit more than 49 in a season until last year, then it jumps to 73 (In far fewer atbats) and he is doing this at an age where 98% of the players are declining rapidly or already retired.

I'm not gonna sit here and declare the man's sainthood. Nevertheless, I don't see how brute strength = home runs.

You're still trying to hit a round ball with a round bat. Something that takes great agility and hand eye coordination, as well as instincts.

How can you explain Bonds relative little time on the DL?

 

[SleepingWarrior]

I'm not gonna sit here and declare the man's sainthood. Nevertheless, I don't see how brute strength = home runs.

You're still trying to hit a round ball with a round bad. Something that takes great agility and hand eye coordination, as well as instincts.

How can you explain Bonds relative little time on the DL?

Never said Bonds didn't have skills. But an increase of those proportions in ONE year, at his age... nuh uh no way I can be sold on the fact he isn't using something until I see him take a test and it comes back negative. And brute strength IS needed to hit homeruns in that high of amount. Last year he had what... 180-190 walks even dividing that by 4 at bats per game thats 45 games he missed.

As for explaining his time on the DL... well we just have to watch and see. Like I said it doesn't look like he started using anything until late 2000, so that isn't even 2 years yet. Another year and it will start having its effects. But of course his supporters will just say it is age catching up with him, which it could be but something I doubt.

 

[HeavyStick]

If it's brute strength responsible for home runs, how about Babe Ruths fat ass? he ate as many hookers as he did hot dogs. Hank Aaron? oh yeah he was shitting water with all the 'roids he was popping... I have owned dogs that have out weighed him and my dogs have never hit a home run. Yes there may be some chemical enhancement, but no one cried foul when Big Mac broke the record and he admitted he was doing performance enhancing drugs (legal) when is the line drawn, the drug or the color of the skin, whine all you want if it isn't done by Bonds Sosa has a damn god shot at the all time American record. and BTW what of the player in Japan (Japanese) who has hit over 1000 HR's he weighed in at a blazing 165, (yes Japanese fields are the same size as ours)

 

[Azwed]

Ruth and Aaron played much longer then any modern player does. They only hit 40 or so homeruns a season not the 60 plus we are seeing now.

 

[Weird Harold]

http://www.cumberlink.com/SportsLegends/ART/sbream.jpg

Why did you post a picture a Jerry Seinfeld with a berd ona thread about baseball?

 

[SleepingWarrior]

Well Ruth hit them in amazing rates but Aaron only had like 3 seasons of more than 40 but he stayed at a constant pace for what 23-24 years?

 

[miles]

If it's brute strength responsible for home runs, how about Babe Ruths fat ass? he ate as many hookers as he did hot dogs. Hank Aaron? oh yeah he was shitting water with all the 'roids he was popping... I have owned dogs that have out weighed him and my dogs have never hit a home run. Yes there may be some chemical enhancement, but no one cried foul when Big Mac broke the record and he admitted he was doing performance enhancing drugs (legal) when is the line drawn, the drug or the color of the skin, whine all you want if it isn't done by Bonds Sosa has a damn god shot at the all time American record. and BTW what of the player in Japan (Japanese) who has hit over 1000 HR's he weighed in at a blazing 165, (yes Japanese fields are the same size as ours)

Say what?

 

[SleepingWarrior]

Say what?

I think he is trying to say the only reason there is a fuss about this is because Bonds is black?

 

[HeavyStick]

ok a little clarification.... strength helps, however it is technique.

 

[Zamdrist]

ok a little clarification.... strength helps, however it is technique.

<clapping>

Thank you HeavyStick!

It's just as much about strength as it is about hitting that ball with the sweet spot on the bat with a bit of upper cut in the swing.

I believe the increase of home runs has as much to do with dillution in pitching quality (More teams = less quality) and park size as it has to do with an increase in steriod usage.

But then, I love my game of baseball, and can't stand to hear it's been tainted by drug use.

 

[Marxist]

Un-juiced and mature Bonds:
http://www.fsu.edu/~crimdo/images/pirates/bonds.jpg

Very juiced and even older Bonds as a Giant:
http://www.amarillonet.com/images/headlines/081201/bonds.jpg


Look at his face in the later pic. When you put on serious muscle mass you generally don't get a fat face....unless you're cycling steroids. If I was Bonds, I'd take a drug test publicly every month, once a month and invite the media to come hold the cup.

Otherwise, what are we to think when a 39 year-old that's never topped 40 homeruns in a year goes long ball crazy?

 

[miles]

I don't follow the statslike I used to and never thought he was 38 years old. Looks like he'll catch Aaron with no problem. What's up with him being a pain in the ass? I never read that much negative press on him except for our local fishwrapper/bird cage liner excuse for a newspaper.

 

[Spinaroonie]

I'm not gonna sit here and declare the man's sainthood. Nevertheless, I don't see how brute strength = home runs.

Simple.
Force input=Force output.
The stronger he is the more force is transfered through the bat and into the ball, the more force that is in the ball translates to more momentum carrying the ball farther.

Still... Barry Bonds is one of the biggest pricks in baseball... but fortunately due to the roids... he now has one of the smallest pricks in baseball.

 

[Massive Grooves]

force= m * a

Since often times the bigger bats will slow down a batter too much, the acceleration is the key. Being able to hit the ball coming at incredible speeds with as much bat speed as possible.

A bigger player may not be able to swing the bat faster. There are several players that have lifted to such a size that they had to lose size to be productive again. Griffey and Alex Rodriguez are not very big players at all, but they have great bat speed and good swings, they hit homers.

Hank Aaron and Willie Mays spent most of their careers playing at a time when there were only 16 teams and teams used four man rotations. Barry Bonds plays now, 30 teams, 5 man rotations, a spot starter, several middle relievers, and a closer. This isn't the same game and Bonds is not facing the same quality of pitchers day in and day out that Aaron and Mays did.

MLB went the entire decade of the 80's plus without a 50 HR guy. Now, there are far too many players that hit them.

I am a Barry Bonds fan, from the time he started leading off for the Pirates. I believe that he changed his focus, he told the media before last season that he was going to try hitting more home runs so that he could catch his god father. I don't know what he takes into his system, but I will defend him as one of the greatest players to ever take the field.

Zamdrist, I once had that same card. Traded Series. I think my brother stole it and traded it for a nickelbag. Did you get it from him?

 

[Marxist]

force= m * a

Since often times the bigger bats will slow down a batter too much, the acceleration is the key. Being able to hit the ball coming at incredible speeds with as much bat speed as possible.

A bigger player may not be able to swing the bat faster. There are several players that have lifted to such a size that they had to lose size to be productive again. Griffey and Alex Rodriguez are not very big players at all, but they have great bat speed and good swings, they hit homers.

Hank Aaron and Willie Mays spent most of their careers playing at a time when there were only 16 teams and teams used four man rotations. Barry Bonds plays now, 30 teams, 5 man rotations, a spot starter, several middle relievers, and a closer. This isn't the same game and Bonds is not facing the same quality of pitchers day in and day out that Aaron and Mays did.

MLB went the entire decade of the 80's plus without a 50 HR guy. Now, there are far too many players that hit them.

I am a Barry Bonds fan, from the time he started leading off for the Pirates. I believe that he changed his focus, he told the media before last season that he was going to try hitting more home runs so that he could catch his god father. I don't know what he takes into his system, but I will defend him as one of the greatest players to ever take the field.

Zamdrist, I once had that same card. Traded Series. I think my brother stole it and traded it for a nickelbag. Did you get it from him?

Is Bonds a first ballot hall of famer? Yep. The stats say so. Is he on 'roids? You bet, the stats say so.


'Roids don't make the man. But when you add steroids (and the quick twitch reflex that accompanies it) to a major league talent of the first magnitude, WATCH OUT.

I've seen Big Mac since his humble beginnings in my hometown (along with Canseco), and to think that Barry isn't on the same track is just sheer blindness. All of their careers are tainted no matter what anyone says.