Banks Imposing Limits on Debit/Credit Card Use

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Buying anything, gas, food, whatever, over $50 or $100 with your debit/credit card may be a thing of the past!

Chase Bank is trying this first. They're not sure whether to impose a $50 or $100 cap on each purchase.

I'll be writing checks or visiting the ATM for cash a lot more often. I can easily see many people going for credit cards and years from now many people filing for bankruptcy!

http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/10/pf/debit_cards_limit/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin

Debit cards: $50 spending limit coming?

By Blake Ellis, staff reporter March 10, 2011: 10:09 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Declined! Your debit card may soon be denied for purchases greater than $100 -- or even as little as $50.

JPMorgan Chase, one of the nation's largest banks, is considering capping debit card transactions at either $50 or $100, according to a source with knowledge of the proposal.


Why? Because of a tricky thing called interchange fees.

Right now, every time you swipe your debit card, your bank charges the retailer an average fee of 44 cents, which it shares with its partners. Those little fees, however, add up to about $16 billion per year, according to 2009 data from the Federal Reserve.

But as part of the Wall Street reform legislation that was passed last year, these fees are being slashed. The Fed is currently proposing rules that would go into effect in July and would cap interchange fees at 12 cents.

That's a big enough cut to cost Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) more than $1 billion a year. And Chase may not be alone. Other major issuers are also projecting huge losses from the interchange fee cap.

Joe Price, president of consumer banking for Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), said in an e-mailed statement that the lower fee wouldn't fairly compensate the bank for the infrastructure and services it provides to retailers.

And consumers would end up feeling the pain when Bank of America is forced to recoup costs "by increasing the cost of their everyday debit card transactions, limiting their payment choices, and impacting industry innovation," according to the email.

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Aside from mulling over a limit on transaction amounts, Chase is already testing $3 monthly fees on debit cards and $15 fees on checking accounts in certain states. Additionally, the bank announced in November that it has stopped issuing debit rewards cards.

A Chase spokesman declined comment on this story.

The revenue banks get from interchange fees helps to offset money lost from fraudulent transactions. So with the Fed's proposed cap in place, banks argue they won't have the money to protect themselves against fraud. And, of course, the bigger the purchase the bigger the risk, so banks are considering limiting consumers' ability to pay by debit card.

"If banks cannot recapture their fraud-prevention costs, it is likely that a lower percentage of transactions at the point of sale would be approved," Price said. "If the final rules that are issued in April look like the draft, there's no question that it will impact how we and other issuers price deposit and payment services and what features and benefits are included."

But a Bank of America spokesman declined to comment on whether the bank would cap debit card purchases at $50 or $100.

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Representatives from Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500) and HSBC (HBC) declined to comment on their plans, while a spokeswoman from Citi (C, Fortune 500) said the bank isn't making any changes at this time.

If a cap like this does make its way into accounts across the board, consumers would be forced to write checks, withdraw cash from ATMs, or put their spending on credit cards.

"The whole model on the debit card side is in flux because of Dodd-Frank," said Brian Riley, senior research director at financial services consulting firm TowerGroup. "The unfortunate thing is that the people who will really get hurt on this are the people who need the most help."

Many consumers with bad credit aren't able to qualify for credit cards -- and when they do, it's often with hefty rates and fees. Additionally, ATMs typically only dole out a limited amount of money at a time and checking accounts are being loaded with fees.

At the same time, even the customers who do qualify for credit cards are being punished for having tarnished credit. Bank of America, for example, announced a $59 annual fee last month for its riskiest customers -- making up about 5% of consumer credit card accounts.
 
I heard this as well....too bad, because debit cards were starting to catch on in the USA.

In Canada, our banks all got together 20-25 years ago and started a joint venture called Interac, which is the central interchange for Debit Card Transactions in Canada.

So, because our debit network is owned by a consortium of all the chartered banks....the network is larger, better integrated and consequently, heavily used.
 
I kinda remember when people put money into banks.

I don't miss lining up on payday to deposit a cheque and ask for some of my money.

Canada Trust's first ATM's circa 1978 were called Johnny Cash and featured life-sized cutouts of Johnny Cash standing next to them.
 
I had a little savings book that I counted my $2 of interest and made big plans on how to spend it.
 
i use my visa debit to pay bills - electricity, rent, etc.
how would you manage that with a $100 limit?
my rent alone is $300/week.
 
I don't miss lining up on payday to deposit a cheque and ask for some of my money.

Canada Trust's first ATM's circa 1978 were called Johnny Cash and featured life-sized cutouts of Johnny Cash standing next to them.

Sort of like albertaboy?

Interact is great. You are spending money you actually have with the greatest of convenience. Wouldn't leave home without it.
 
I closed my Chase account when they declared they would start charging monthly checking fees. There are several banks that have free checking. I am at one of them now.

If everyone else left Chase over the fees, they would change their tune on that subject.

ARCO charges 45 cents per transaction if you use your credit or debit card. But if you get an ARCO card, no fee. Which is important for me, as the rising fuel cost means I have to go through the process twice per fill up as they have a limit of $75 of fuel per use.

The weird thing is the ARCO card is free, and debits the money from the same account as my bank credit card. I have yet to figure out what the point of that is for them, but meanwhile I am saving several dollars per fill up. Which means several hundred a year. It helps, ever so slightly.
 
I also closed all my accounts a few weeks ago based on the impending checking fees. I went to a credit union. No fees. So far, at least.
 
The whole scheme is a scam cuz handling cash is about as expensive and troublesome as it gets. You gotta have cash registers and safes and armor trucks/guards and security cameras etc for cash sales.

The problem isnt folks ripping off the gas pump, the problem is bank employee theft.
 
Grant me a Debit Card WAIVER!

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bankers and merchants, pillars of the business world and frequent allies, are embroiled in a bitter lobbying battle over something Americans do 38 billion times a year — swipe their debit cards. Both sides vigorously claim to speak for consumers.

At stake is $16 billion annually that the Federal Reserve says stores pay to banks and credit card companies when customers use the cards — fees the Fed has proposed cutting.

Cut the fees, banks say, and they'll have to abandon free checking and boost other charges to consumers to recover lost revenue. Merchants say lower fees would help them drop their prices and expand their businesses.

Currently, the fees typically range between 1 and 2 percent of each purchase, averaging 44 cents. The Fed has proposed capping that at 12 cents, though smaller banks could charge more. Bankers want lawmakers to delay the change in hopes that it will eventually be killed or toned down.

Patrick Lewis and Charles Garlock are foot soldiers in this fight's opposing infantries.

Each side is dispatching planeloads of hometown business people like them, along with armies of lobbyists and mountains of letters and e-mails to Washington. Some 4,000 local credit union officers swamped the Capitol last week, and around 300 merchants are buttonholing lawmakers this week. Unless Congress delays the deadline, the Federal Reserve must issue a final rule by April 21, to take effect three months later.

...

Though bankers are outspending their rivals on lobbying and campaign contributions and seem to have gained momentum, merchants so far have the upper hand. The bankers are trying to get Congress to undo legislation it passed just last year, a tall order on any subject.

Banks and merchants are often allied on such issues as taxes and regulation, but the debit card battle has driven them apart, each accusing the other of trying to pocket unjustified profits in what has become an emotional fight.

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The financial system overhaul law that Congress and President Barack Obama enacted last summer ordered the Federal Reserve to curb the so-called interchange fees but left specifics to the central bank. That subjected the Fed to lobbying that included over 8,000 letters and nearly three dozen meetings with industry officials — mostly from banks and credit card companies.

Since the Fed's public comment deadline passed last month, the focus has shifted to Congress, where foes of the plan are expected to soon introduce legislation to delay it.

Unlike most issues in Congress, the dispute divided Democrats and Republicans internally since the industry groups each say its own side would help consumers and the other's would hurt them.

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I also closed all my accounts a few weeks ago based on the impending checking fees. I went to a credit union. No fees. So far, at least.

As we can see, the Fed now has unchecked power to go after those fees.
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The Commonwealth Bank was privatised years ago. It is now much worse than it ever was, profiteering with little check on its behaviour. Your way don't always work Slug. Same with our telcos...
 
The Commonwealth Bank was privatised years ago. It is now much worse than it ever was, profiteering with little check on its behaviour. Your way don't always work Slug. Same with our telcos...

Really?

Prove it...

All I have here is you saying it's doing something evil. Show me das Übel. ;) ;)
 
Really?

Prove it...

All I have here is you saying it's doing something evil. Show me das Übel. ;) ;)


I won't call her evil, but after 3 years with the same commercial banker, I came to the conclusion that her job was to generate as many fees possible off of my accounts while giving the least service possible.

A friend of mine just opened a new business and she was assigned to his accounts. He didn't believe me when I told him she was expensive. The first thing she did was set up his account for credit card deposits. She said he needed $50 opening balance. She did not tell him the credit card machine would be charged to the account, so the first day he was overdrawn by $100, before he ever wrote a single check.
 
What a stupid-ass idea. It's perfectly ordinary to spend more than $100 on groceries every week, and what the hell would you do when you wanted to buy a computer? A credit or debit card with a $100 spending limit would be completely dysfunctional. If my bank did that I'd close my account there immediately and go to a sane bank.
 
What a stupid-ass idea. It's perfectly ordinary to spend more than $100 on groceries every week, and what the hell would you do when you wanted to buy a computer? A credit or debit card with a $100 spending limit would be completely dysfunctional. If my bank did that I'd close my account there immediately and go to a sane bank.

It means you have to do more than one transaction per purchase, thus more money for them.:cool:
 
Surely it would make more sense to limit credit cards but allow debit cards to use whatever they have in their account with no ability to go over your available funds?
 
Surely it would make more sense to limit credit cards but allow debit cards to use whatever they have in their account with no ability to go over your available funds?

Common sense never works, it is about making the banks more money.
 
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